Gravity 75 mph Range

[jered]

Yeah basically tops 4hrs, and max range in the Lucid if I’m trying for it.

But I agree, we need to all slow down and take rest breaks. It would be safer for all.

The point being missed is that the places where I might want to stop are not (always) places that have chargers. When we roadtrip I typically scrub the Tesla maps for chargers that are walking distance to decent restaurants (e.g. fast casual), plan short stops if needed to get there at mealtimes, and charge to 100% to not get penalty charges while waiting. (I still have free unlimited charging.)

I hope that the Gravity's faster charging will mean that we can make our stops more "naturally", but there are definitely use cases where longer range is very important (even with pee breaks).

 

[Gooshjkc]

Being an EV owner since 2012, the rule of thumb for me when it comes to range is EPA range minus 30 miles and that’s the realistic range of the EV.

 

[TahoeMichael]

I want the freedom to be very flexible in my road trips, and not need to think too much about where I'm going to charge. Apps make that easier, but I do a lot of driving in the rural and mountain West, where chargers are sometimes more spaced out. I also want to maintain good range in the snow, as I live up in the mountains. And if I tow my little travel trailer and the range drops by 50%, a max range of 225 miles is still quite usable from the 450 range of a GT. If the EPA range drops to 300, there's a lot less leeway as other factors drop the actual driving range.

 

[Elfin]

Being an EV owner since 2012, the rule of thumb for me when it comes to range is EPA range minus 30 miles and that’s the realistic range of the EV.

Minus 30 miles? Or minus 30%?

 

[Gooshjkc]

Minus 30 miles? Or minus 30%?

Minus 30 miles. This is city/hwy driving. Plus, I live in Atlanta, which is not exactly flat. Has a lot of rolling hills. This might also affect range. As far as I know, the epa does their testing based on flat surface.

 

[WeighingGravity]

Yeah, I can't use a static number of miles for range reduction estimation - things are vastly different in the cold than in the heat. Even a %age drop varies dramatically between seasons. And I'm not using EPA, I'm talking about my Tesla's stated mileage (which could be EPA based, I don't know).

It sounds like Gravity comes up with a bit of a dynamic estimate based on your driving - I think it would be a welcome addition if some manufacturers started trying to give you a "real world" estimate based on how you drive, where you're going (like it can estimate that I'm normally probably driving to and from work with a certain highway/normal road mix), and outside temp. I understand there are probably disincentives to doing that, but man, how that would make life simpler.

Editing for the latest post: In Atlanta, temp is more consistent and if flat that also helps. Might make a static "# of miles" adjustor more helpful. But that won't work for, I'd say, most people.

 

[Elfin]

Minus 30 miles. This is city/hwy driving. Plus, I live in Atlanta, which is not exactly flat. Has a lot of rolling hills. This might also affect range. As far as I know, the epa does their testing based on flat surface.

The Gravity is going to get a lot less than 420mi at 75mph. Highway range is all that really matters to me. I'm never going to drive that many miles away at city speeds.

And I'm not using EPA, I'm talking about my Tesla's stated mileage (which could be EPA based, I don't know).

The Tesla stated mileage is EPA but their route planner does take into account driving style and is extraordinarily accurate in my experience.

 

[SaratogaLefty]

I believe Rawlinson said something to the effect of the future of EV's is a 250 mile range. And realistically anything over 300 miles is fine for my travels. Wife and I need stops at somewhere around 200 miles anyway.

 

[Elfin]

I believe Rawlinson said something to the effect of the future of EV's is a 250 mile range. And realistically anything over 300 miles is fine for my travels. Wife and I need stops at somewhere around 200 miles anyway.

That would be fine if you could add 200mi of range in 15 minutes to that 250mi battery. Unfortunately batteries that can do that are less energy dense so you're adding some of the weight back that you saved by going to a lower capacity battery.

 

[hydbob]

The Gravity is going to get a lot less than 420mi at 75mph. Highway range is all that really matters to me. I'm never going to drive that many miles away at city speeds.

The Tesla stated mileage is EPA but their route planner does take into account driving style and is extraordinarily accurate in my experience.

I would think with the newer EPA tests, the Gravity will get much closer to EPA than we expect.

 

[Knucklehead]

The Gravity is going to get a lot less than 420mi at 75mph. Highway range is all that really matters to me. I'm never going to drive that many miles away at city speeds.

The Tesla stated mileage is EPA but their route planner does take into account driving style and is extraordinarily accurate in my experience.

420 miles is the range without the third row and with the smallest rims. My ideal configuration does have the third row but with the 20/21 wheels. And those awesome Hankook tires!

I am with @hydbob and I think the Gravity is going to be much closer to EPA at highway speeds than other vehicles of similar size. I don't think it will match it, like the 2025 Air does, but I bet it approaches 90%. 420 x 0.9 = 378. It might even be better than that.

Someone test it already!

 

[Kirby]

Why do the seats change mileage? The vehicle weight with 7 seats crosses a 500# boundary.

Quoting the EPA:
"All vehicle weight data in this report are based on inertia weight classes. Each inertia weightclass represents a range of loaded vehicle weights, or vehicle curb weights7 plus 300pounds. Vehicle inertia weight classes are in 250-pound increments for classes below 3,000pounds, while inertia weight classes over 3,000 pounds are divided into 500-poundincrements."
https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2022-12/420r22029.pdf

You get something like 125 pounds (I heard that somewhere) of back seat, but you pay 500 pounds at the dyno test. The Gravity is right at 6,000 pounds (under with 5 seats, over with 7 if I have it right). So either the 7 passenger version is getting screwed or the 5 passenger is the beneficiary of fortuitous rounding that won't happen in the real world.

 

[037]

Why do the seats change mileage? The vehicle weight with 7 seats crosses a 500# boundary.

Quoting the EPA:
"All vehicle weight data in this report are based on inertia weight classes. Each inertia weightclass represents a range of loaded vehicle weights, or vehicle curb weights7 plus 300pounds. Vehicle inertia weight classes are in 250-pound increments for classes below 3,000pounds, while inertia weight classes over 3,000 pounds are divided into 500-poundincrements."
https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2022-12/420r22029.pdf

You get something like 125 pounds (I heard that somewhere) of back seat, but you pay 500 pounds at the dyno test. The Gravity is right at 6,000 pounds (under with 5 seats, over with 7 if I have it right). So either the 7 passenger version is getting screwed or the 5 passenger is the beneficiary of fortuitous rounding that won't happen in the real world.

I wonder why no one is weighing the tow bar, those aren’t exactly light either.

Funny thing…the 3rd row is so heavy, when you bring it up it feels like a spring helps you push it up and it almost put my head into the top of the trunk, suggest bracing that part with your hand as you lift, those seats are not light!!

 

[borski]

I wonder why no one is weighing the tow bar, those aren’t exactly light either.

Funny thing…the 3rd row is so heavy, when you bring it up it feels like a spring helps you push it up and it almost put my head into the top of the trunk, suggest bracing that part with your hand as you lift, those seats are not light!!

I actually think the 3rd row is pretty light. Lifting the second row once it’s down, though, @TribbleTrouble needs both arms and a bit of leg power. I just use one hand, because I’m her big, strong, burly man.

 

[037]

I actually think the 3rd row is pretty light. Lifting the second row once it’s down, though, @TribbleTrouble needs both arms and a bit of leg power. I just use one hand, because I’m her big, strong, burly man.

It’s so light, Lucid assist almost tossed me into the trunk. I had a Lucid employee as a witness…

 

[PetevB]

the 3rd row is so heavy, when you bring it up it feels like a spring helps you push it up

Sounds like that's why they are not completely removable. Springs like that store lots of energy, hence are inherently pretty challenging to make user safe. Shame, that's one of the few features I wish the Gravity had- Grocery shopping or day trips with the German Shepard it'd be really nice the have the rear seats down and the space under floor available for stowage, so much so that I think I'd prefer a removable third row seats (like the I.D. Buzz and others).

 

[borski]

Sounds like that's why they are not completely removable. Springs like that store lots of energy, hence are inherently pretty challenging to make user safe. Shame, that's one of the few features I wish the Gravity had- Grocery shopping or day trips with the German Shepard it'd be really nice the have the rear seats down and the space under floor available for stowage, so much so that I think I'd prefer a removable third row seats (like the I.D. Buzz and others).

If you haven’t checked out the car yet, do so before making a choice. You won’t be left wanting for space, and the frunk is a great spot for groceries.

 

[tonybot]

If you haven’t checked out the car yet, do so before making a choice. You won’t be left wanting for space, and the drunk is a great spot for groceries.

Yep, getting drunk is a great sport for me as well

 

[037]

Yep, getting drunk is a great sport for me as well

He misspelled sport, ha

 

[borski]

Yep, getting drunk is a great sport for me as well

Hey Siri, I’m cutting you off. You’ve had too much.