Dream Drive Pro vs Dream Drive?

[dscafetta]

Does anyone know the DETAILS of the Dream Drive Pro vs standard Dream Drive?

For $9000 I expect A LOT! Full autonomous driving to start...

 

[Tesla2.0]

Does anyone know the DETAILS of the Dream Drive Pro vs standard Dream Drive?

For $9000 I expect A LOT! Full autonomous driving to start...

Tesla, 15,000 you get software that can process AI on native cameras.

Lucid, 9,000 probably a ground floor price, you get expensive Lidar, radar sensors on top of all extra cameras hardware.

 

[Steveinarizona]

Tesla, 15,000 you get software that can process AI on native cameras.

Lucid, 9,000 probably a ground floor price, you get expensive Lidar, radar sensors on top of all extra cameras hardware.

That much I can tell. But it would be nice to know, instead, what features those sensors and Lidar implement.

 

[julianevjourney]

Does anyone know the DETAILS of the Dream Drive Pro vs standard Dream Drive?

For $9000 I expect A LOT! Full autonomous driving to start...

There are actually whole entire threads on this topic. Here is a reply I gave in another thread.

Post in thread 'What does Drive Drive do today? (not Pro)'
https://lucidowners.com/threads/what-does-drive-drive-do-today-not-pro.2295/post-57730

 

[muhanadkais]

Tesla, 15,000 you get software that can process AI on native cameras.

Lucid, 9,000 probably a ground floor price, you get expensive Lidar, radar sensors on top of all extra cameras hardware.

Customers will be looking for the output to compare. Not sure what Lucid called it Dream Drive that does NOT support lane centering and adaptive control like Tesla AutoPilot. I don’t think these basic features require a LiDAR to use. I would pay $10k if they list any similar features to FSD.

 

[Tesla2.0]

Customers will be looking for the output to compare. Not sure what Lucid called it Dream Drive that does NOT support lane centering and adaptive control like Tesla AutoPilot. I don’t think these basic features require a LiDAR to use. I would pay $10k if they list any similar features to FSD.

Excerpt from Wikipedia…

In October 2020, Consumer Reports called Tesla Autopilot "a distant second" in driver assistance systems (behind Cadillac's Super Cruise), although it was ranked first in the "Capabilities and Performance" and "Ease of Use" category.[3] Collisions and deaths involving Tesla cars with Autopilot engaged have drawn the attention of the press and government agencies.[4]

Personally I haven’t yet known a Tesla owner who is confident with their AutoPark in ADAS, now knowing Tesla won’t implement ultrasonic sensors in the future, my guess is that might be out Tesla’s ADAS and FSD eventually bc they don’t see their owners use it. Audi and BMW may have weak infotainment software, but they Auto Park parallel spots is way superior than Tesla in the city right parking spots.

Yes, Lucid only promised future enhancement in ADAS with full blown hardware equipments today, and software will be gradually improving at no cost. You are basically paying for ground level price for equipments. Tesla opted no LiDAR bc they would cost $7500~$9000 more and stereo camera only cost them $5 x 2, and they believe software can do the job like human eyes and +$15,000 if you want to be a beta user. Each company has own policy and business implementation, cannot compare apple and lemon.

 

[joec]

Customers will be looking for the output to compare. Not sure what Lucid called it Dream Drive that does NOT support lane centering and adaptive control like Tesla AutoPilot. I don’t think these basic features require a LiDAR to use. I would pay $10k if they list any similar features to FSD.

I love how lane centering has now become “basic.” Try programming a car to do that sometime.

Maybe LiDAR isn’t required to check the feature off on a checklist. Doesn’t mean LiDAR can’t be used to make it better.

Personally, I prefer a car with features that will actually work, as opposed to features that appear on a marketing brochure.

Lucid could easily go the Tesla route and promise a laundry list of FSD features that won’t be shipped in the lifetime of the car, but they are choosing not to do that.

Some of us value the more candid approach.

 

[joec]

I also love how these feature comparisons never go both ways.

Model S doesn’t have an auto closing frunk. How could they possibly expect people to buy a Model S when Lucid offers that on Touring for free?

Model S doesn’t have sun shades. How pathetic. This “basic” feature is free on the Touring.

Model S doesn’t have a 360 overhead camera view. And they expect to compete with Lucid?

Jeez, Model S doesn’t even have a ski pass through. I have no idea how they are still in business.

Tesla better rethink their whole strategy. Customers expect these things nowadays.

 

[Steveinarizona]

I also love how these feature comparisons never go both ways.

Model S doesn’t have an auto closing frunk. How could they possibly expect people to buy a Model S when Lucid offers that on Touring for free?

Model S doesn’t have sun shades. How pathetic. This “basic” feature is free on the Touring.

Model S doesn’t have a 360 overhead camera view. And they expect to compete with Lucid?

Jeez, Model S doesn’t even have a ski pass through. I have no idea how they are still in business.

Tesla better rethink their whole strategy. Customers expect these things nowadays.

EXACTLY!

 

[muhanadkais]

Model S doesn’t have an auto closing frunk. How could they possibly expect people to buy a Model S when Lucid offers that on Touring for free?

Model S doesn’t have sun shades. How pathetic. This “basic” feature is free on the Touring.

Model S doesn’t have a 360 overhead camera view. And they expect to compete with Lucid?

Jeez, Model S doesn’t even have a ski pass through. I have no idea how they are still in business.

Tesla better rethink their whole strategy. Customers expect these things nowadays.

Sorry but really not a fair comparisons,

Touring does not have air suspension.
No glass roof option for free
Touring does not have all the needed hardware for self driving for free.
Touring does not have one big screen and secondary screen to watch media (Netflix, YouTube, ..).
Touring does not have fun staff like car show, Santa mode and more.
Touring does not have great security staff like sentry mode and dog mode.
Tesla HomeLink is just amazing, open the garage upon arrival and close it when leaving at precise selected distances.
Tesla has enabled plenty of features for free over the software update.
Tesla offers 22 speakers with 960 watt audio system for free which I personally like more than SS Pro.
Tesla software overall is just great.

Sorry again not trying to promote Tesla but I am a Tesla owner since 2019, however, not a Tesla fan and waiting for my new Lucid Air now.

 

[borski]

Sorry but really not a fair comparisons,

Touring does not have air suspension.
No glass roof option for free
Touring does not have all the needed hardware for self driving for free.
Touring does not have one big screen and secondary screen to watch media (Netflix, YouTube, ..).
Touring does not have fun staff like car show, Santa mode and more.
Touring does not have great security staff like sentry mode and dog mode.
Tesla HomeLink is just amazing, open the garage upon arrival and close it when leaving at precise selected distances.
Tesla has enabled plenty of features for free over the software update.
Tesla offers 22 speakers with 960 watt audio system for free which I personally like more than SS Pro.
Tesla software overall is just great.

Sorry again not trying to promote Tesla but I am a Tesla owner since 2019, however, not a Tesla fan and waiting for my new Lucid Air now.

It was a fair comparison, actually. That you like the Tesla better doesn't make it unfair. I have a simple solution for you: buy a Tesla.

 

[muhanadkais]

It was a fair comparison, actually. That you like the Tesla better doesn't make it unfair. I have a simple solution for you: buy a Tesla.

No, I like both cars in the same way. However, I like Lucid more as a company which has great battery technology.

I personally didn’t see it very fair to ignore all the good staff in Tesla cars.

I’ve scheduled for a test drive with Lucid next Monday to see if I will proceed with my Lucid order or go with new Model S.

 

[borski]

No, I like both cars in the same way. However, I like Lucid more as a company which has great battery technology.

I personally didn’t see it very fair to ignore all the good staff in Tesla cars.

I’ve scheduled for a test drive with Lucid next Monday to see if I will proceed with my Lucid order or go with new Model S.

Ah, I think you might've missed the point a bit; the point wasn't to crap on Tesla. Tesla makes cars that have plenty of fine features. The point was to strike an analogy.

People constantly complain "Lucid doesn't have this, or doesn't have that, or even my $30k Honda has this particular feature that Lucid doesn't have," which is a completely disingenuous comparison, as it ignores all of the positive things about Lucid's cars. @joec was making a mildly sarcastic analogy, complaining that Tesla doesn't have a bunch of features that Lucid has, and ignoring any positives about it, to make this very point.

The point wasn't "Lucid is better than Tesla" but rather "this is a stupid comparison to make on a feature-by-feature basis, because they aren't and will never be the same car, so can we please stop arguing about this feature or that feature and talk about the car as the sum of its features rather than the individual features themselves.'

This is indicated by "I also love how these feature comparisons never go both ways" and the dripping sarcasm in "Tesla better rethink their whole strategy. Customers expect these things nowadays."

Does that help clarify?

 

[DBV]

I also love how these feature comparisons never go both ways.

Model S doesn’t have an auto closing frunk. How could they possibly expect people to buy a Model S when Lucid offers that on Touring for free?

Model S doesn’t have sun shades. How pathetic. This “basic” feature is free on the Touring.

Model S doesn’t have a 360 overhead camera view. And they expect to compete with Lucid?

Jeez, Model S doesn’t even have a ski pass through. I have no idea how they are still in business.

Tesla better rethink their whole strategy. Customers expect these things nowadays.

We can say the same thing you are saying with features on $105k Tesla that are not on Lucid Air Touring/Pure. We get it, but lane centering should be standard to compete with their main completion. This is 2022 going into 2023 not 2012 when something like centering would be state of the art. Who knows - maybe it is standard, since there are no Touring or Pures in the wild yet and all this discussion is just a complete waste of time.

 

[hydbob]

We can say the same thing you are saying with features on $105k Tesla that are not on Lucid Air Touring/Pure. We get it, but lane centering should be standard to compete with their main completion. This is 2022 going into 2023 not 2012 when something like centering would be state of the art. Who knows - maybe it is standard, since there are no Touring or Pures in the wild yet and all this discussion is just a complete waste of time.

It is standard as described here

Thread 'DreamDrive Megathread' https://lucidowners.com/threads/dreamdrive-megathread.2966/

 

[joec]

Sorry but really not a fair comparisons,

Touring does not have air suspension.
No glass roof option for free
Touring does not have all the needed hardware for self driving for free.
Touring does not have one big screen and secondary screen to watch media (Netflix, YouTube, ..).
Touring does not have fun staff like car show, Santa mode and more.
Touring does not have great security staff like sentry mode and dog mode.
Tesla HomeLink is just amazing, open the garage upon arrival and close it when leaving at precise selected distances.
Tesla has enabled plenty of features for free over the software update.
Tesla offers 22 speakers with 960 watt audio system for free which I personally like more than SS Pro.
Tesla software overall is just great.

Sorry again not trying to promote Tesla but I am a Tesla owner since 2019, however, not a Tesla fan and waiting for my new Lucid Air now.

Thanks for proving my point.

Your reaction to my (yes) sarcasm is exactly my reaction whenever folks talk about Touring not having this or that, while you “ignore all the good stuff” in Lucid cars.

I drive a Tesla now. Clearly there are many things I like about the car, or I would not be driving it.

But my next car will be a Lucid. Not because I don’t know that there are some individual things that other cars have that the Air doesn’t, but because at the end of the day, the Air is the better car for me overall.

Sounds like you made a similar choice. So why hem and haw about it, when the lack of those features clearly didn’t sway your decision?

It’s one thing to say “I kinda wish it had” this or that. It’s another to suggest Lucid is crazy or stupid not to include something, when not including it didn’t hurt their chances of selling it to you.

And all this is moot, anyway, because it looks like Dream Drive will likely include Highway Assist after all.

 

[joec]

We can say the same thing you are saying with features on $105k Tesla that are not on Lucid Air Touring/Pure. We get it, but lane centering should be standard to compete with their main completion.

Clearly you didn’t get it because that was my point. Anyone can compare any two cars, cherry pick the feature they think is important, and then demand the company that doesn’t include that feature is “wrong.”

If my post sounded silly to you, welcome to my world.

But yeah, turns out Lucid will include Highway Assist, so that ends this debate.

Of course, there will be ten more threads tomorrow arguing for some other feature…

And the struggle continues.