Could Comma AI/Open Pilot be supported on Lucid?

[tonybot]

I didn't know about Comma AI and Open Pilot until I saw this tweet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890927763772579977

I am ordering one for my 2020 Lexus RX! It makes Lexus totally hands-free and also supports stop sign and red light detection action in development mode, and I can't wait to test it out.

I wonder if there will be future support for Lucid, like an ongoing project for Rivian, as shown in the video above. It will be great if they can support Lucid for folks like me who missed ordering DD Pro when buying. Also, you can take it between vehicles as long as you have corresponding vehicle attachments, which is very cool. If an external device can do this, I am sure Lucid can do it natively, even without LIDAR hardware, which is not included in non-DD-pro vehicles. I hope they will roll out additional features to these vehicles once they take care of DD-pro.

Has anyone played around with Comma? Do you have any insights on potential support for Lucid down the line?

 

[xponents]

@borski is probably in the best position to answer this question!

 

[borski]

It’s possible, but someone would have to build it. But I haven’t looked into comma in years. Geohot is an old acquaintance.

 

[tonybot]

Thanks @borski! I wish I had the skills to contribute to a project like this! I love what comma is trying to do though! As some folks said, hope they will be the android of self driving! I hope they succeed!

 

[xponents]

As some folks said, hope they will be the android of self driving!

Well, I personally hope they will make GREAT products instead of bad ones, but you do you!

 

[Buffalo Bob]

Well, I personally hope they will make GREAT products instead of bad ones, but you do you!

@xponents!! I never would have taken you for an antidroidite!!

 

[borski]

Thanks @borski! I wish I had the skills to contribute to a project like this! I love what comma is trying to do though! As some folks said, hope they will be the android of self driving! I hope they succeed!

You do have the skills to contribute; it’s not particularly hard! Just takes a bit of time investment, and most people psych themselves out before they even start to try.

Like everything, it’s not magic; just take it one step at a time.

1) Read up on how other comma wiring harnesses work, and which pieces of the car it needs access to. The Air doesn’t have an OBD-II port, so you can’t tap power off that, so at least part of the harness would have to tap power from either the mirror or the usb-c (maybe with a voltage converter). This would power the comma, but only when the car is awake. The benefit of the OBD-II 12v tap would be that it would have power even when the car was off; there may be another way to do that, I’m not sure.

2) Figure out where the components are in the vehicle that you need access to; make friends with a service tech, or find the wiring diagrams and service manuals online, or just start pulling trim off and looking at the labels on the wires. This isn’t skill, just work.

3) Figure out what adapter you need for that connection, and where to source it (there are thousands of different automotive connectors, and it’s extremely annoying).

4) See if comma can pull data off of that connection, or if not, what it is pulling. Perhaps there’s some protocol or something.

5) Research how other comma integrations have gotten around whatever it is you just discovered.

6) …

7) profit?

It’s just one foot in front of the other. Most people just don’t like walking because they think falling is scary. I think never walking is scarier.

 

[xponents]

@xponents!! I never would have taken you for an antidroidite!!

But... my message implied Android to be bad... "great products instead of bad ones!"

On a more serious note though, I do respect Android as an interface. I just don't like how some aspects of the OS don't feel as "polished" as iOS, although this has been massively improving with the advent of Pixel. When I was shopping for a new phone, the Pixel 9 Pro came very close to getting in my pockets (I will never like Samsung, as their software bloatware is horrible just like it is on their TVs)!

 

[Buffalo Bob]

But... my message implied Android to be bad...

That would make you an anti-droidite, doesn't it? Are you saying that you are a pro-droidite or even an anti-iOSian? The latter is heresy on this forum!!!

 

[xponents]

That would make you an anti-droidite, doesn't it? Are you saying that you are a pro-droidite or even an anti-iOSian? The latter is heresy on this forum!!!

None of the above, I'm a very neutral guy that enjoys technology from anybody (although yes, my preference is iOS in terms of software)! I love SOME android phones (the Redmagic 10 Pro, for example, is amazing from an innovation standpoint), and they EASILY represent the best value. Anybody who buys an iPhone SE or similar over an equivalent Android is something that is too explicit for me to say on this forum.

Hell, if Samsung made a S25 with iOS on it, I would not hesitate for even one second before picking it over an iPhone! The Pixel is a great middle ground between the two: good hardware (but not amazing like the Samsungs, and Tensor is garbage) and good software (but not amazing like the iPhones).

 

[xponents]

You do have the skills to contribute; it’s not particularly hard! Just takes a bit of time investment, and most people psych themselves out before they even start to try.

Like everything, it’s not magic; just take it one step at a time.

1) Read up on how other comma wiring harnesses work, and which pieces of the car it needs access to. The Air doesn’t have an OBD-II port, so you can’t tap power off that, so at least part of the harness would have to tap power from either the mirror or the usb-c (maybe with a voltage converter). This would power the comma, but only when the car is awake. The benefit of the OBD-II 12v tap would be that it would have power even when the car was off; there may be another way to do that, I’m not sure.

2) Figure out where the components are in the vehicle that you need access to; make friends with a service tech, or find the wiring diagrams and service manuals online, or just start pulling trim off and looking at the labels on the wires. This isn’t skill, just work.

3) Figure out what adapter you need for that connection, and where to source it (there are thousands of different automotive connectors, and it’s extremely annoying).

4) See if comma can pull data off of that connection, or if not, what it is pulling. Perhaps there’s some protocol or something.

5) Research how other comma integrations have gotten around whatever it is you just discovered.

6) …

7) profit?

It’s just one foot in front of the other. Most people just don’t like walking because they think falling is scary. I think never walking is scarier.

Very sound advice as usual, and it can also be applied to everyday life! You've told me similar things in the past before, and it has already helped me tremendously.

 

[WhistleKing30]

New to this forum (hi all !)

I have a Air Pure with the basic DreamDrive, meaning without lane keep assist. In my previous Tesla I used this feature quite a bit, and honestly, I'm missing it a bit.
I have been playing with the idea of porting the Lucid to OpenPilot. So I'm following this thread with much interest.

It might be worth a try if we can assemble enough people enthusiastic to the idea, and gather the development resources.

 

[tonybot]

New to this forum (hi all !)

I have a Air Pure with the basic DreamDrive, meaning without lane keep assist. In my previous Tesla I used this feature quite a bit, and honestly, I'm missing it a bit.
I have been playing with the idea of porting the Lucid to OpenPilot. So I'm following this thread with much interest.

It might be worth a try if we can assemble enough people enthusiastic to the idea, and gather the development resources.

Count me in!!