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babylou66 said:
:mad: I have a list of potential cars and every single one of them has a deal killer issue! My only wants are EV, 275 mi + highway range, carry bikes, reasonable back seat room, serats that aren't black, good handling/steering and software that works or is on the path to being good within 6 months (so needs OTA capability). I would've picked the Air and recovered the front seats.
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I was fortunate to have an Audi RS6 Avant years ago. Not ev. But red leather, amazing handling, tons of space, and the dedicated roof rails made carrying four bikes easy, at 120+.
 
L-Dude said:
Well the Saris fits, but I wouldn't use it. the upper arm rests on either the rear windshield or the cover to the upper brake light. I don't like either of those options. The stabilizing straps hook into the top of the truck lid and deform the rubber gasket there. That's probably going to allow water into the trunk and may permanently damage the gasket. I don't like that either.

On the bright side, I had forgotten how well-made the Saris Bones is/are. I don't think it is an option for the Air--at least the version I have, which is probably 10 years old. I'm not familiar with any newer versions they may have.
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Thanks for trying. I believe the newer versions simply have upgraded bits and pieces.
 
Seems like this one would not land on the upper brake light:
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Worldwide Beagle said:
Perhaps, but you got to try it. The other issue is that the four clips under the trunk lid are thick and have to be very very tight.
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And there is a rubber gasket under the back edge of the trunk that gets deformed by the clips. I can't tell how big a problem that is, or whether that gasket would be damaged permanently.
 
babylou66 said:
:mad: I have a list of potential cars and every single one of them has a deal killer issue! My only wants are EV, 275 mi + highway range, carry bikes, reasonable back seat room, serats that aren't black, good handling/steering and software that works or is on the path to being good within 6 months (so needs OTA capability). I would've picked the Air and recovered the front seats.
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I dumped my Rivian R1T this August. I am not happy at all with that enterprise for quite a few reasons. I was an early purchaser with a day one deposit.
  • They promised hands free driving to us when we ordered but nope.
  • They delivered vehicles with with wireless phone charging that never worked. Once they fixed the issue they never warrantied the faulty devices.
  • Many of us had ordered optional items like powered tonneau covers, tunnel shuttles and camp kitchens. They told us early adopters these items were not quite ready but they would like us to take delivery of our vehicles and when the options are ready they would be retrofitted but nope.
  • They brag about their software and how they can "do it better than AA or CP" yet they have no method for hands free navigation and the navigation they have is simply embarrasing. They have no method for handling text messages of any sort. Their voice recognition for BT calling is cannot recognize commands 40% of the time. But hey they have put resources towards animations of the vehicles ahead on the instrument panel...you know because you can't fricking see them out of your windscreen. Or making the vehicle animations be matchy matchy with paint and wheels to your specific vehicle. My favorite are the Halloween light shows. Now that's so much more important than proper phone integration!
  • Mechanically I had some issues like groaning air suspension, halfshafts that a ton of slop, and maybe 5 others things but I was an early adopter and knew there would be a few issues. Hopefully these are now fixed.
Gear tunnel was amazingly useful. Frunk was huge. Trunk implementation was poor due to impeded access from flip down tailgate- Honda did better on the Ridgeline with swing out tailgate.

If they would have fulfulled their promises and integrated AA/CP or a robust system like GM now has then I would still be driving that vehicle or maybe bought a new one.
 
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babylou66 said:
I dumped my Rivian R1T this August. I am not happy at all with that enterprise for quite a few reasons. I was an early purchaser with a day one deposit.
  • They promised hands free driving to us when we ordered but nope.
  • They delivered vehicles with with wireless phone charging that never worked. Once they fixed the issue they never warrantied the faulty devices.
  • Many of us had ordered optional items like powered tonneau covers, tunnel shuttles and camp kitchens. They told us early adopters these items were not quite ready but they would like us to take delivery of our vehicles and when the options are ready they would be retrofitted but nope.
  • They brag about their software and how they can "do it better than AA or CP" yet they have no method for hands free navigation and the navigation they have is simply embarrasing. They have no method for handling text messages of any sort. Their voice recognition for BT calling is cannot recognize commands 40% of the time. But hey they have put resources towards animations of the vehicles ahead on the instrument panel...you know because you can't fricking see them out of your windscreen. Or making the vehicle animations be matchy matchy with paint and wheels to your specific vehicle. My favorite are the Halloween light shows. Now that's so much more important than proper phone integration!
  • Mechanically I had some issues like groaning air suspension, halfshafts that a ton of slop, and maybe 5 others things but I was an early adopter and knew there would be a few issues. Hopefully these are now fixed.
Gear tunnel was amazingly useful. Frunk was huge. Trunk implementation was poor due to impeded access from flip down tailgate- Honda did better on the Ridgeline with swing out tailgate.

If they would have fulfulled their promises and integrated AA/CP or a robust system like GM now has then I would still be driving that vehicle or maybe bought a new one.
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A large percentage of your issues are resolved in the Gen2, as you probably know. The Google Maps navigation is really, really good. But you are right about AA: won't happen. Hands free driving gets better with every OTA.

Early adopters have to be prepared for pain, as we have seen with early Gravity owners. Even spending $100k doesn't mean a new company with a brand new product will get it as right as a 100 year old company with that many years of experience producing vehicles. I have to say, though, there was a lot of early adopter pain for those of us who got first year Mach-e cars.
 
Knucklehead said:
A large percentage of your issues are resolved in the Gen2, as you probably know. The Google Maps navigation is really, really good. But you are right about AA: won't happen. Hands free driving gets better with every OTA.

Early adopters have to be prepared for pain, as we have seen with early Gravity owners. Even spending $100k doesn't mean a new company with a brand new product will get it as right as a 100 year old company with that many years of experience producing vehicles. I have to say, though, there was a lot of early adopter pain for those of us who got first year Mach-e cars.
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But still no voice command for navigation-you gotta type in everything, no text message handling whatsoever, and using Alexa for phone call controls. Correct?
 
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