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Lucken

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I still find it weird an external antenna is needed.
I have an e-Tron and have both satellite & internet provided XM. In all honesty, I prefer the internet version. For whatever reason it seems you get more channels on that. So unless you're traveling in areas where cell service is spotty, I don't think it's a big deal not having the satellite version.
 

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I would think if there’s no shark fin antenna on the roof there’s no satellite XM capability. I’m not aware of any other way to receive XM satellite.
The XM satellite antenna does not have to be in a shark fin on the roof. In some Tesla models it was built into one of the side mirrors. I’ve added XM satellite radio to my model 3 and model Y Teslas and was able to put it in inconspicuously, either on the rear deck or wedged behind the rear hatch. The key to getting good XM satellite reception is to have the antenna on a good ground plane and also have an unobstructed view of the sky. That said, on the model Y, I’ve actually placed it behind some metal and get pretty good reception.
 

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Ahh, yea no Siriusxm built in. This is what's available now.
Wow! This is lame! Aside for iHeart Radio, all these apps are available on Apple CarPlay - which we find out now is not yet available?

So what have they been working on all this time?
 

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Wow! This is lame! Aside for iHeart Radio, all these apps are available on Apple CarPlay - which we find out now is not yet available?

So what have they been working on all this time?
Yup this is deeply disappointing and sobering. I was expecting so much more from this UI.
 

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Well, there is a new firmware version coming out in the next 30 days so we will see what they change at the time
 

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Yup this is deeply disappointing and sobering. I was expecting so much more from this UI.
We have to be realistic in our expectations about launch software. There are going to be rollouts of additional features and debugging for quite some time with the Lucid.

We took delivery of a Tesla Model S Plaid in August. Since delivery, Tesla -- which has been at this game for 10 years -- has had to recalibrate the suspension software, add self-canceling to lane change signals, and upgrade the mobile app. We are still waiting for the update to activate active noise cancellation, which was advertised as a feature of the car from the get-go. And the car still fails to recognize the key fob and phone key for starting the car about a third of the time, even though it recognizes them for opening the car and releasing the charge cable. Sometimes it takes the car 20-30 seconds to boot up, and we still periodically get a message telling us Autopilot and accident avoidance features are not available. We lived with this for six years with our 2015 Model S and thought the Plaid would be less bedeviled by such things.

A friend took delivery this summer on a VW ID.4 and has been through a constant series of UI debugs and upgrades. In fact, there were deluges of complaints from car reviewers and customers in the first few months about how clunky and error-ridden the VW software features were.
 

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We have to be realistic in our expectations about launch software. There are going to be rollouts of additional features and debugging for quite some time with the Lucid.

We took delivery of a Tesla Model S Plaid in August. Since delivery, Tesla -- which has been at this game for 10 years -- has had to recalibrate the suspension software, add self-canceling to lane change signals, and upgrade the mobile app. We are still waiting for the update to activate active noise cancellation, which was advertised as a feature of the car from the get-go. And the car still fails to recognize the key fob and phone key for starting the car about a third of the time, even though it recognizes them for opening the car and releasing the charge cable. Sometimes it takes the car 20-30 seconds to boot up, and we still periodically get a message telling us Autopilot and accident avoidance features are not available. We lived with this for six years with our 2015 Model S and thought the Plaid would be less bedeviled by such things.

A friend took delivery this summer on a VW ID.4 and has been through a constant series of UI debugs and upgrades. In fact, there were deluges of complaints from car reviewers and customers in the first few months about how clunky and error-ridden the VW software features were.
I concede all the points made. I guess I am mostly disappointed that I was naive enough to believe that Lucid would try to do better.
 

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We have to be realistic in our expectations about launch software. There are going to be rollouts of additional features and debugging for quite some time with the Lucid.

We took delivery of a Tesla Model S Plaid in August. Since delivery, Tesla -- which has been at this game for 10 years -- has had to recalibrate the suspension software, add self-canceling to lane change signals, and upgrade the mobile app. We are still waiting for the update to activate active noise cancellation, which was advertised as a feature of the car from the get-go. And the car still fails to recognize the key fob and phone key for starting the car about a third of the time, even though it recognizes them for opening the car and releasing the charge cable. Sometimes it takes the car 20-30 seconds to boot up, and we still periodically get a message telling us Autopilot and accident avoidance features are not available. We lived with this for six years with our 2015 Model S and thought the Plaid would be less bedeviled by such things.

A friend took delivery this summer on a VW ID.4 and has been through a constant series of UI debugs and upgrades. In fact, there were deluges of complaints from car reviewers and customers in the first few months about how clunky and error-ridden the VW software features were.
Seems not much has changed with ‘Autopilot’ since my 2017 MS. This is why I almost never used it. I was far less relaxed using it than not using it:

https://flip.it/e4KzmITesla has a serious phantom braking problem in Autopilot

 

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I concede all the points made. I guess I am mostly disappointed that I was naive enough to believe that Lucid would try to do better.
I don't think it's for lack of trying. It's just a function of how damnably difficult software development is, especially in something as complex as a car. There has been almost no new product Apple has released that didn't require a series of updates to address bugs or malfunctioning features.
 

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Lucid didn't try to do better. They did do better. Every single person I have talked to who has seen this car has commented on how much nicer it is that Teslas. I've seen 2 detailer who said the build quality is way beyond what Tesla as done. Yesterday I took it to a premium wrap shop who had 2 Ferraris and a Pagani on their floor. The owner came out and look at the car and said he would buy the Lucid in a heartbeat over a Model S.

A car is a car first and foremost. With that in mind, Lucid knocked it out of the park. The software is always going to be need fixing. Even companies whose only existence is software are constantly having issues. It's not easy. Ask yourself, when was the last time Apple or Google said our phone UI is perfect and bug free?
 

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I don't think it's for lack of trying. It's just a function of how damnably difficult software development is, especially in something as complex as a car. There has been almost no new product Apple has released that didn't require a series of updates to address bugs or malfunctioning features.
I agree, but in all honesty Lucid's Infotainment system should be more robust than its current iteration.
 

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Porsche had a similar situation with the Taycan. Numerous software issues during the first year, and they even had the recall for cars completely shutting down on the highway. I would argue Porsche is one of the best automakers in the world, but even they still have issues. Any new model is going to be prone to some growing pains.

How Lucid handle the issues will be the biggest question. Will Lucid provide better service and support than Tesla? Porsche is generally fantastic, but Tesla is arguably not much better than a standard high volume automaker now. I'm willing to live with growing pains as an early adopter as long as I feel like my concerns are being addressed in a reasonable way.
 

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The lack of carplay or android auto doesn't bother me. I'm fully confident it will be added soon. I'm not even 100% sure carplay isn't already active since I have no way to test it.
 

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I'm guessing Lucid will be far better than Tesla is today. They will probably be on par with the way Tesla was years ago when they were new and there were not many cars on the road.
 

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The lack of carplay or android auto doesn't bother me. I'm fully confident it will be added soon. I'm not even 100% sure carplay isn't already active since I have no way to test it.
Hoping that CarPlay is active by the time I get my AGT.
 

FFT

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Lucid didn't try to do better. They did do better. Every single person I have talked to who has seen this car has commented on how much nicer it is that Teslas. I've seen 2 detailer who said the build quality is way beyond what Tesla as done. Yesterday I took it to a premium wrap shop who had 2 Ferraris and a Pagani on their floor. The owner came out and look at the car and said he would buy the Lucid in a heartbeat over a Model S.

A car is a car first and foremost. With that in mind, Lucid knocked it out of the park. The software is always going to be need fixing. Even companies whose only existence is software are constantly having issues. It's not easy. Ask yourself, when was the last time Apple or Google said our phone UI is perfect and bug free?
Hope you can update us after you get the car wrapped. Curious to hear how you handle the glass canopy roof, and if it impacts any of the sensors, LIDAR, etc. I expect not but would be good to hear from an early adopter.
 

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I agree, but in all honesty Lucid's Infotainment system should be more robust than its current iteration.
I'm not sure what you mean? Software or hardware?

As long as I can use my Astell & Kern as a transport, I'll be happier than a clam. That is not over Bluetooth.

I doubt at this point I'll subscribe to TIDAL just to get surround audio.
 

Lucken

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I’m talking about apps, Android/Apple interfaces, XM, things that we find in $20K cars.
 
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Hope you can update us after you get the car wrapped. Curious to hear how you handle the glass canopy roof, and if it impacts any of the sensors, LIDAR, etc. I expect not but would be good to hear from an early adopter.
 
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