Among First 12 Dream Edition Owners

[Adnillien]

A part of the Lucid loss may be the temperature. I assume it is a colder in Missouri than California.

 

[hmp10]

And yet my e-Etron can sit for a week and lose only 1%. So I’m somewhat less impressed. Yes, 3% is certainly better than my MS which could lose 3% in a day, but not as good as the Audi. Hmp10’s phantom discharge is insanely high. Something doesn’t seem right, even for a Tesla.

Remember that Dreamed's car is being transported across a variety of climes, so there may be battery conditioning going on to keep the battery within a certain temperature range. That's very different from storing a car in a garage.

As for the Tesla, I suspect the radar installer was keeping some circuits active without realizing it -- although they must have drawn an awful lot of juice. That discharge rate was like nothing I or my brother have seen in our other Teslas.

 

[Easyrider949]

Remember that Dreamed's car is being transported across a variety of climes, so there may be battery conditioning going on to keep the battery within a certain temperature range. That's very different from storing a car in a garage.

As for the Tesla, I suspect the radar installer was keeping some circuits active without realizing it -- although they must have drawn an awful lot of juice. That discharge rate was like nothing I or my brother have seen in our other Teslas.

Do you have a preferred brand of Radar/Laser model you like to use?

 

[Dreamed]

Yes, that is very good.

Our Model S Plaid was in the shop for 5 days having the radar/laser system installed. The car was not driven by the installer (we kept tabs on the odometer) during that time, and the car was powered down much of the time. The battery pack charge was as 72% when we dropped the car off, and by the fourth day it had dropped to just over 20%. The installer didn't have a 240-volt plug in his shop, but he was able to bring the charge back up with the 110-volt line enough for us to get the car home. Neither our 2015 Model S nor my brother's Model 3 have seen anything like this much idle loss.

We still can't figure out why the charge dropped so precipitously, but it left me worried about the Lucid during the 5-day radar installation stint we have planned for it.

That is not normal idle drain for a Tesla which should be 1-2% per day. If the key was left in the car or a car door was left open, these things would have kept the car awake, possibly using climate if it was not manually turned off and needing to support the low voltage battery all of which would drain the HV pack. I would advise your installer to keep the key away from the car when he is not working on it and close the doors so it can sleep. There may be other settings (like summon standby) which can increase idle drain and could have played a role in this case.

 

[hmp10]

That is not normal idle drain for a Tesla which should be 1-2% per day. If the key was left in the car or a car door was left open, these things would have kept the car awake, possibly using climate if it was not manually turned off and needing to support the low voltage battery all of which would drain the HV pack. I would advise your installer to keep the key away from the car when he is not working on it and close the doors so it can sleep. There may be other settings (like summon standby) which can increase idle drain and could have played a role in this case.

I do know he left the doors open during much of the day, as he provided us with photo and video highlights of the installation in case repair or body shop personnel ever needed to see the layout of the wiring he ran. I had cut off the A/C and all the ancillary systems I could before leaving the car with him. The car was kept round the clock in the fully climatized workshop, so battery temperature should have been relatively stable within optimum range.

 

[hmp10]

Do you have a preferred brand of Radar/Laser model you like to use?

I have used Escort Passports in my last few cars and liked that system very well. However, Escorts were not available due to chip shortages, so I switched to Radenso for the Plaid. I like its control functions better and will be using it in the Air Dream.

I'm told the Escort has slightly better sensitivity while the Radenso has better filtering algorithms. We live near a sheriff's station and encounter police radar constantly around our house, and we can't really tell any difference in the performance of the two systems in those regards. (We're still running the Escorts in our other two cars.) The Radenso does give more directional information about the radar signal, and its laser jamming self-cancels after a user-set interval, whereas the Escort jammer has to be manually canceled after slowing down.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

Question how do we know that 400+/- of the Dream Editions aren't all going to Saudi Arabia? PIF could have come with a reservation?

 

[Adnillien]

I assume none of the first 520 Dreams are going to Saudi Arabia. Two weeks ago at the FII5 in Saudi Arabia, Peter Rawlinson stated that deliveries to SAudi Arabia would begin next summer. I do not know if there will be another run of Dream editions for each new region.

 

[hmp10]

Saudis and expats in Saudi Arabia may import up to one car per year as long as the car is no more than five years old. U.S. spec cars can be registered and driven in Saudi Arabia. Only right-hand drive cars are prohibited.

I have heard from senior Lucid personnel that company directors, senior executives, and major investors would be among the first to get Airs -- presumably Dream Editions -- although I was never told how many. I suspect that at least a few Dreams will be given to people associated with the PIF if they want them. While Lucid may not deliver the cars there, they can deliver them here, and the owners can then ship them to Saudi Arabia if they are willing to contend with lack of service. (While a service infrastructure will probably be lacking for a while, there are quite a few cars in Saudi Arabia for which local parts and service are difficult to obtain. The people who have them are not usually constrained by financial concerns or lack of alternative transportation.)

I suspect Rawlinson was referring to mass production cars for regular customers when he said deliveries to Saudi Arabia would not begin until next summer.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

I assume none of the first 520 Dreams are going to Saudi Arabia. Two weeks ago at the FII5 in Saudi Arabia, Peter Rawlinson stated that deliveries to SAudi Arabia would begin next summer. I do not know if there will be another run of Dream editions for each new region.

To be the PIF and invested so much money and not get a few Dream Editions would shock me.

I am just looking at this from the confusion of rumor of AGT orders needing to be confirmed already and no one has seen all the Dream Editions wrapped anywhere. The fact that one photo of Dream Editions wrapped "was at night" could mean they always leave the factory at night.

 

[hmp10]

My financial advisor, who reserved in December 2019, just got word his Dream P is available for delivery this Saturday, November 13 in south Florida. As he will not be available that day, they are delivering his car on November 20.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

My financial advisor, who reserved in December 2019, just got word his Dream P is available for delivery this Saturday, November 13 in south Florida. As he will not be available that day, they are delivering his car on November 20.

This has to mean it left the factory a while ago??? He confirmed in September. @hmp10 I'm so sorry, this is looking like a Zenith Red issue. I am concerned since I am planning on the same color. I have not received anything to confirm my AGT order. I am trying to take delivery in Millbrae, CA in June. We will be in Orlando this coming December but I doubt I'd want to take delivery this soon.

 

[hmp10]

What's interesting is that he got a call on Tuesday, November 2 telling him his car would be delivered by the end of the month but that the VIN wasn't yet available. (That came later in the week.) Now the car is available for delivery in Florida on November 13. That suggests only 11 days from the car entering production to delivery all the way across the country.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

What's interesting is that he got a call on Tuesday, November 2 telling him his car would be delivered by the end of the month but that the VIN wasn't yet available. (That came later in the week.) Now the car is available for delivery in Florida on November 13. That suggests only 11 days from the car entering production to delivery all the way across the country.

This is why I asked the question a while back when does the VIN get attached to the car? With the very low variability of the DE it can be late in the build.

 

[Sandvinsd]

What's interesting is that he got a call on Tuesday, November 2 telling him his car would be delivered by the end of the month but that the VIN wasn't yet available. (That came later in the week.) Now the car is available for delivery in Florida on November 13. That suggests only 11 days from the car entering production to delivery all the way across the country.

A lot of this production queue timing doesn’t make a lot of sense, but seeing that the cars are actually getting delivered in a timely matter is very encouraging. BTW… any update on your Zenith Red Dream?

 

[hmp10]

BTW… any update on your Zenith Red Dream?

Nope.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

Nope.

Zenith Red was a last minute change wasn't it?

 

[hmp10]

It showed up on the order configurator shortly before final order confirmations were able to commence. However (and I can't reveal my source), I was told a couple of months before that Zenith Red was being added to the color choices.

 

[Dreamed]

Zenith Red

I loved the Zenith Red color when I saw it in person in Arizona at the Production Preview event. Ordered Gold because it was exclusive to the Dream and delivery would be faster.

 

[hmp10]

I loved the Zenith Red color when I saw it in person in Arizona at the Production Preview event. Ordered Gold because it was exclusive to the Dream and delivery would be faster.

Were you told that color would make any difference on delivery times? I've twice been told by my Delivery Advisor that it doesn't (although I have since come to doubt that).