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Hello all. I will detail some real world experience. I will try to be objective, but my subjective opinions are strong. I have the performance addition with the 21" wheels. For perspective I am 6'2", race in World Racing League endurance races for fun, have owned an Alpine B7 which is my all time favorite sedan, and unfortunately still is. I put an early deposit on the car as I wanted an EV, but I was waiting for better range and performance, plus a design mind set different than Tesla. I was/am driving a Yukon AT4. My wife and I picked the car up in Costa Mesa on 12/10. We spent about 3 hours going over the car with our delivery specialist and the service advisor spent some time with us as well. Our first trip was back to San Diego. No issues and we charged at home with a 14-50 outlet we had installed with a 50 amp breaker and the cable included with the car. I set the car for "Daily charging" and waited till 9pm to plug it in as scheduled charging is an unknown update away. I down loaded the iPhone app prior to picking up the car and have been using it almost exclusively as my "key". Saturday and Sunday we drove the car everywhere we went. My wife quickly realized that the car got more attention than she is comfortable with. Monday through Thursday I drove the car to work ~14 miles each way. Took people on test drives. The acceleration is truly breathtaking. I race cars and have owned a GTR and a 911 Turbo S. This car is fast. The handling and ride are great, the brakes are good, it's just hard to slow this much weight. With the week of commuting plus test drives the estimated range in miles has been going down some. I appreciate that the expected range is changing based on my driving, but it is still optimistic. On Thursday I went to a electrify america 150kw fast charger at walmart to test in anticipation of our upcoming trip to Santa Barbara over the weekend. I wanted to make sure everything worked. This is my first EV and first time charging other than at home. I used the Lucid app and everything worked great. The highest charge rate I saw was 77kw. I got about 100 miles of range in 28 minutes. Looking at Electrify America site, I ordered a level 2 home charger while charging so I could schedule charge times without waiting on an update from Lucid. The trip from San Diego to Santa Barbara after a full charge, range was indicated to be 459 at start. 222 miles later it showed as 171. I drove in "smooth" mode. I am no "miler", but I drove with the flow of traffic and no big acceleration runs. The hotel indicated they only had Tesla charging. The next day I found a charge point charging station, downloaded the app and starting charging with no issues. I got ~100 miles of range in 4 hours for $5. When we got back to the hotel I went to look at the Tesla charging stations. There were 2 stations per pole and maybe 10 stations over all. Each pole had a Tesla sign, but looking closer the last charger was on a pole with a Tesla charger but was a J1772. I went and got the Lucid and plugged in. The next morning the car showed a full charge and 429 miles of range. 99.5 miles later stopping for the night in Long Beach the car indicated 3.4mi/kWh and a range of 316 miles. The valet card has no hole punch for a valet to attache an identifier tag and hang the card on the key board. Also, it has a pictograph on how to unlock the car, but not how to "start" the car. I gave the valet a remote. They were able to park the car and retrieve it without issue. They could not figure out how to open the trunk. 115 miles to home. When we got home the car indicated a remaining range of 150 miles. My real world driving indicates for me a range of ~400 miles on a full charge. Our only mechanical issue so far is when I use the app to open the Frunk, it "pops" the latches, but doesn't open. So far the fix is press the open button on the panel in the car and it opens and then shuts as expected. I am sure some will be disappointed with my real world range. I am not. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, paint, fit, finish, range, the car meets my high expectations. Now the software. It would be an insult to beta software to call this software beta. It is inconsistent, crashes, and is in many cases just plain bad even if it works. My wife feels it is a car designed by men for men because the security issues are so bad. Using the iphone app the proximity unlock does everything from unlock at 15' to not unlocking at all. Locking is even worse. I trust it not at all. My wife wants the car to unlock the driver door only when she touches it, be able to open the trunk with the doors looked. My expectation is higher, the AT4 I can open the rear hatch by getting close and waving my foot under the bumper. We both want the doors to lock if we are outside and press on the door handle. Sometimes it does, mostly it does not. Can we have an off button? The car shows the same status if you are getting out or about to shift into D. The cameras and park distance are truly awful. They show you are hitting something when in fact you are 24" away. It locks the brakes in a tooth filling loosing way when you are 18" away. If you over ride that jarring brake, the screen goes all red and crashes the system at 12" away. The GM vehicle at less than half the price, goes full "red" at 9" away. The car has the most sophisticated sensors on the planet, but the programers feel 24" equals stop. Trying to parallel park in this car is a nightmare. Unless you want to park 18" off the curb it has a defining and very urgent and anxiety producing audible response and then hits the e brake over and over and over. I have never been uncomfortable parking a car until now. The nav is awful, the music controls are awful, and in general there is a folder based mentality for the interface that predates the 2007 iPhone. Why even waste time on Nav. People are more attached to their phones than their cars. Have android auto and car play working from day one. People are attached to their cars, they are more attached to their phones. I would estimate Lucid owners are 80%+ iPhone. Car play not working on day one is a huge mistake. I bought the car to share with my wife. She wants a car that works as expected every time. This is not that car. First car we have ever owned that makes her feel "unsafe". Unfortunately, there is lots more on how bad the software is. Yes, it will get better. Telling me I am hitting something when it is 24" away shows me a mind set that is as bad or worse than Tesla philosophy. The grey scale map that represents the car in black and your location in white. Awful. Water is black, green space is black, buildings are black with dark grey roofs. The number of steps to transfer an address someone has texted me to the car is ridiculous. The Nav stops working if it loses internet. That is the only value of built in nav, working even if you lose cell connection. Alexa in the car finally makes siri look good. Homelink is per profile. Garage door openers have a limit of the number of links they store. A Lucid with 2 or 3 profiles will cause your other cars or openers to drop. Neither the nav or home display show direction. There is zero chance I would let software on this car drive for me. Software is what will decide the winners and losers. If there are not some impressive updates and soon, the aspects of this car that are great will soon be over run by the awful day to day experience of phone interaction, parking, navigating, music/audio controls, and just waiting forever for the car to boot. My wife would prefer I sell the car. Opposite of my intent to get her to embrace EV's. Everything that is bad in this car, is either good or great in my 40K Honda Accord and/or my 80K GMC AT4. Being different to be better is awesome, being different to be different is stupid. The remote feels cheap, looks cheap, it reminds me of a $10 powerpoint clicker. It is not intuitive, has a bad form factor, and is literally attached to your other keys by a thread. The door handle. The double clutch required to open is annoying, it is a cheap plastic on plastic part. It feels cheap, it has a plastic on plastic binding feel. Everyone is going to use this everytime they drive the car. I have had no other car where the door opener has such a "cheap" feel. Yes, I have high expectations for 185K car. This car both delights and infuriates me. BMW, Porsche, and Mercedes, are all working hard on EV's. Lucid has a small window before their chance at converting those enthusiasts who want an EV to Lucid will close. The impressive 900V architecture, the great performance, and good looks will all be for naught, if the software does not get much better quickly. I hope Lucid stops doing gimmicky things that look nice, but are shit. Benchmark a Honda accord. Benchmarking, BMW, Lexus, Mercedes, and Porsche can come later for Lucid, but only if they survive this start up period. I hope they get better.
 

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Hey Bill,

Awesome feedback. It's really good to hear some of the issues you were having. Some of the items can be altered, took me a while to figure it out and maybe it'll help with your experience.

Regarding the parking emergency braking. There is an option to turn test off, which I did immediately. It's under the DreamDrive settings and it's the park comfort braking option. Turn that off and it'll alleviate your issue there.

The nav has an option to keep the map with north up. I've configured one of my map displays to do that and the other to use a 3d view.
 

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Hello all. I will detail some real world experience. I will try to be objective, but my subjective opinions are strong. I have the performance addition with the 21" wheels. For perspective I am 6'2", race in World Racing League endurance races for fun, have owned an Alpine B7 which is my all time favorite sedan, and unfortunately still is. I put an early deposit on the car as I wanted an EV, but I was waiting for better range and performance, plus a design mind set different than Tesla. I was/am driving a Yukon AT4. My wife and I picked the car up in Costa Mesa on 12/10. We spent about 3 hours going over the car with our delivery specialist and the service advisor spent some time with us as well. Our first trip was back to San Diego. No issues and we charged at home with a 14-50 outlet we had installed with a 50 amp breaker and the cable included with the car. I set the car for "Daily charging" and waited till 9pm to plug it in as scheduled charging is an unknown update away. I down loaded the iPhone app prior to picking up the car and have been using it almost exclusively as my "key". Saturday and Sunday we drove the car everywhere we went. My wife quickly realized that the car got more attention than she is comfortable with. Monday through Thursday I drove the car to work ~14 miles each way. Took people on test drives. The acceleration is truly breathtaking. I race cars and have owned a GTR and a 911 Turbo S. This car is fast. The handling and ride are great, the brakes are good, it's just hard to slow this much weight. With the week of commuting plus test drives the estimated range in miles has been going down some. I appreciate that the expected range is changing based on my driving, but it is still optimistic. On Thursday I went to a electrify america 150kw fast charger at walmart to test in anticipation of our upcoming trip to Santa Barbara over the weekend. I wanted to make sure everything worked. This is my first EV and first time charging other than at home. I used the Lucid app and everything worked great. The highest charge rate I saw was 77kw. I got about 100 miles of range in 28 minutes. Looking at Electrify America site, I ordered a level 2 home charger while charging so I could schedule charge times without waiting on an update from Lucid. The trip from San Diego to Santa Barbara after a full charge, range was indicated to be 459 at start. 222 miles later it showed as 171. I drove in "smooth" mode. I am no "miler", but I drove with the flow of traffic and no big acceleration runs. The hotel indicated they only had Tesla charging. The next day I found a charge point charging station, downloaded the app and starting charging with no issues. I got ~100 miles of range in 4 hours for $5. When we got back to the hotel I went to look at the Tesla charging stations. There were 2 stations per pole and maybe 10 stations over all. Each pole had a Tesla sign, but looking closer the last charger was on a pole with a Tesla charger but was a J1772. I went and got the Lucid and plugged in. The next morning the car showed a full charge and 429 miles of range. 99.5 miles later stopping for the night in Long Beach the car indicated 3.4mi/kWh and a range of 316 miles. The valet card has no hole punch for a valet to attache an identifier tag and hang the card on the key board. Also, it has a pictograph on how to unlock the car, but not how to "start" the car. I gave the valet a remote. They were able to park the car and retrieve it without issue. They could not figure out how to open the trunk. 115 miles to home. When we got home the car indicated a remaining range of 150 miles. My real world driving indicates for me a range of ~400 miles on a full charge. Our only mechanical issue so far is when I use the app to open the Frunk, it "pops" the latches, but doesn't open. So far the fix is press the open button on the panel in the car and it opens and then shuts as expected. I am sure some will be disappointed with my real world range. I am not. Drivetrain, suspension, brakes, paint, fit, finish, range, the car meets my high expectations. Now the software. It would be an insult to beta software to call this software beta. It is inconsistent, crashes, and is in many cases just plain bad even if it works. My wife feels it is a car designed by men for men because the security issues are so bad. Using the iphone app the proximity unlock does everything from unlock at 15' to not unlocking at all. Locking is even worse. I trust it not at all. My wife wants the car to unlock the driver door only when she touches it, be able to open the trunk with the doors looked. My expectation is higher, the AT4 I can open the rear hatch by getting close and waving my foot under the bumper. We both want the doors to lock if we are outside and press on the door handle. Sometimes it does, mostly it does not. Can we have an off button? The car shows the same status if you are getting out or about to shift into D. The cameras and park distance are truly awful. They show you are hitting something when in fact you are 24" away. It locks the brakes in a tooth filling loosing way when you are 18" away. If you over ride that jarring brake, the screen goes all red and crashes the system at 12" away. The GM vehicle at less than half the price, goes full "red" at 9" away. The car has the most sophisticated sensors on the planet, but the programers feel 24" equals stop. Trying to parallel park in this car is a nightmare. Unless you want to park 18" off the curb it has a defining and very urgent and anxiety producing audible response and then hits the e brake over and over and over. I have never been uncomfortable parking a car until now. The nav is awful, the music controls are awful, and in general there is a folder based mentality for the interface that predates the 2007 iPhone. Why even waste time on Nav. People are more attached to their phones than their cars. Have android auto and car play working from day one. People are attached to their cars, they are more attached to their phones. I would estimate Lucid owners are 80%+ iPhone. Car play not working on day one is a huge mistake. I bought the car to share with my wife. She wants a car that works as expected every time. This is not that car. First car we have ever owned that makes her feel "unsafe". Unfortunately, there is lots more on how bad the software is. Yes, it will get better. Telling me I am hitting something when it is 24" away shows me a mind set that is as bad or worse than Tesla philosophy. The grey scale map that represents the car in black and your location in white. Awful. Water is black, green space is black, buildings are black with dark grey roofs. The number of steps to transfer an address someone has texted me to the car is ridiculous. The Nav stops working if it loses internet. That is the only value of built in nav, working even if you lose cell connection. Alexa in the car finally makes siri look good. Homelink is per profile. Garage door openers have a limit of the number of links they store. A Lucid with 2 or 3 profiles will cause your other cars or openers to drop. Neither the nav or home display show direction. There is zero chance I would let software on this car drive for me. Software is what will decide the winners and losers. If there are not some impressive updates and soon, the aspects of this car that are great will soon be over run by the awful day to day experience of phone interaction, parking, navigating, music/audio controls, and just waiting forever for the car to boot. My wife would prefer I sell the car. Opposite of my intent to get her to embrace EV's. Everything that is bad in this car, is either good or great in my 40K Honda Accord and/or my 80K GMC AT4. Being different to be better is awesome, being different to be different is stupid. The remote feels cheap, looks cheap, it reminds me of a $10 powerpoint clicker. It is not intuitive, has a bad form factor, and is literally attached to your other keys by a thread. The door handle. The double clutch required to open is annoying, it is a cheap plastic on plastic part. It feels cheap, it has a plastic on plastic binding feel. Everyone is going to use this everytime they drive the car. I have had no other car where the door opener has such a "cheap" feel. Yes, I have high expectations for 185K car. This car both delights and infuriates me. BMW, Porsche, and Mercedes, are all working hard on EV's. Lucid has a small window before their chance at converting those enthusiasts who want an EV to Lucid will close. The impressive 900V architecture, the great performance, and good looks will all be for naught, if the software does not get much better quickly. I hope Lucid stops doing gimmicky things that look nice, but are shit. Benchmark a Honda accord. Benchmarking, BMW, Lexus, Mercedes, and Porsche can come later for Lucid, but only if they survive this start up period. I hope they get better.
Thank you Bill. This is easily the best review yet. I don't even know where to start but I am certain that like you, all of the software issues you have so clearly described, would very quickly sour the ownership and daily driving experience for me. Many on this forum seem willing to give Lucid a pass on these issues rather than hold them up to the bar of expectation that they themselves set in marketing the car. Glad that you have not. Your frustrations resonate with me and as such you have given me a lot to think about before I finalize my GT. Hopefully, you will give us an update, particularly as the next set of OTA updates are expected soon.
 
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Bill, thanks so much for such an honest, thoughtful and detailed review. This is the most in-depth review of how it is to actually live with this car on a day to day basis. I have been very open about my thoughts on this car being released too early and lacking functionality, at least at this point, of cars at a fraction of the price. There is absolutely no way a car in this price range, any price range, should have so many significant software issues. Good grief, the key people at Lucid were part of the Tesla design team and we’re supposed to have learned from many of the Tesla errors. It’s not good when you’re making Tesla software look good.

I‘ve come to accept this car will not get anything close to its stated range, but it will still be excellent if not somewhat disappointing. However I’m again concerned about another instance of relatively slow charging at an EA 150kW charger. This has happened to me only very rarely. I’d suggest you try a different 150kW EA charger to ensure it wasn’t a problematic charger.

Of much greater concern to me is the apparently malfunctioning parking distance hardware/software. This can actually make charging at many fast chargers nearly impossible, as you are required to edge the car very close to the charger due to the relatively short charging cables. It can be tough enough to do this in a properly functioning EV, but if the car is fighting you along the way, that’s really bad.

I believe everyone on this forum has been great, but as FFT noted above, there are too many here willing to excuse Lucid for issues that should never have occurred. This looks particularly bad when Lucid was quite clear this would be a car whose QC would be like no other.
 

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Thanks, Bill. This was very helpful. I confirmed my order for the AGT last week, so hopefully, they'll be much more ready for prime time in "2-4 months." I am glad to see the major issues seem to be software related. This means they should eventually get corrected. BUT, and maybe some of folks on this board who work in or with software engineering can help me out on this one: it seems like getting quality software produced on time and with full original specs is a pretty difficult thing in this day and age. Not that I'm giving Lucid a pass here, but experiences have been that when real world deadlines mean agile software development and massive labor shortages, you get release compromises that you wouldn't normally like to make. Many times, I have gotten release dates with expected functionality, only to have them pulled back for a variety of (mostly valid) reasons. I suspect, as another poster said on a different thread, that they had no more runway left for delays. Easy enough to understand in a beta, but exceedingly harder when you have dropped down a huge some of money to get the best of the best.

I hope they will clean it up quickly, but with software development, you don't really know what you're going to get much beyond 2-4 weeks out. Fingers crossed though...this should be correctable.
 

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Great review. It is good to see an honest critical review with both good and bad. Software seems to be a problem, range seems to be as expected.
 

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Bill55's report is very sobering and leaves me with little hope that Lucid can tackle that many software issues quickly. Tesla -- which now likes to style itself a software company -- has been at it 10 years and still can't get it right.

We have been driving Teslas since 2015 (started with a Model S P90D and now have a Model S Plaid), and neither car has ever been free of software gremlins. If anything, the Plaid is more plagued by them than the older car. My partner and I each have a key card as well as a phone and a key fob programmed to the car. Ever since we've had the car, the car fails to recognize my fob or phone about a third of the time to start the car. They will unlock the car and release the charging cable, but they will not start the car. For that I have to dig the card out of my wallet and rub it over the wireless phone charging pad. Then a week ago, the car failed to recognize the other key fob or phone. This time the car would not unlock the doors or release the charge cable.

Also, in that same event, we had used the phone app to increase the charge to 90% as we were departing on a trip. The phone app showed the charge limit had been raised, that the car was charging, and that it would take 1 hour 10 minutes to reach 90% charge. When we got out to the car, no juice had been added to the battery. It was sitting at the 80% SOC for which we have it routinely programmed.

Every couple of weeks the Plaid, just as the older Model S, gives us a message that Autopilot and accident avoidance features are not available. Sometimes they will return when we turn the car off and back on, sometimes not. Sometimes a system reboot will restore the functions, sometimes not. In the "not" cases, we just have to wait until the car decides we can have the features back, which can be later that day or maybe the next. (This is the primary reason we decided not to waste money on Full Self Driving when we bought the Plaid. We have found that Tesla can't even handle adaptive cruise control a good portion of the time.)

Using the voice control features of the old and new Teslas was/is a complete crap shoot. If the microphone is even working (which is by no means always), the software can be truly creative in its interpretation of what I'm saying.

Tesla advertised the Plaid as having active noise cancellation. That is still waiting for a software update to make it available.

Tesla offers no outside camera view of the car other than the backup camera. We can't even tell how far forward we can pull in a parking space before hitting the parking chock, much less see anything on the sides of the car.

The deeper car manufacturers foray into the brave new world of software everything, the more I crave an old-fashioned key to get into and start a car, a car with good outward visibility through the glass in all directions, turn signals on stalks that don't try to read your mind, and buttons and switches to operate every feature of the car.

While I am totally addicted to electric powertrains, from the standpoint of operating ease, I still prefer driving my Honda Odyssey to the Tesla.

I'm an old salt who still views a car as primarily a driving machine. Thank goodness Lucid seems at least to have that side of the driving experience nailed down. If our experience with Tesla is any indication, it's going to be a very long time before Lucid gets its long, long list of software features to perform seamlessly . . . and maybe not in some of our lifetimes.
 
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This is a great review. Few of the software issues you have mentioned here have been documented prior, so it’s great to hear this feedback.

As you are a first time electric owner, I would recommend a few things

  • do not get EA’s home charger. Their charging equipment is pretty terrible. Go with either Chargepoint Flex or Juicebox. Both are very highly rated
  • Tesla destination chargers can be used with other EVs provided you get an adapter. Ones like this work well: www.umc-j1772.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=143.They are often referred to by the brand name “TeslaTap”. Note: these do NOT work with superchargers
 

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thanks for the review Bill. As a GT reservation holder, this is concerning. Hopefully Lucid fixes the software issues soon after the holidays and you can give us an update on your experience.
 

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Oh, I forgot, why did you set it for daily charging when you were going on a long trip?
 

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I‘ve come to accept this car will not get anything close to its stated range, but it will still be excellent if not somewhat disappointing. However I’m again
Of much greater concern to me is the apparently malfunctioning parking distance hardware/software. This can actually make charging at many fast chargers nearly impossible, as you are required to edge the car very close to the charger due to the relatively short charging cables. It can be tough enough to do this in a properly functioning EV, but if the car is fighting you along the way, that’s really bad.
I don't think this aspect was malfunctioning. Lucid is just very aggressive with their parking distance calculations and are super conservative on distances. The braking can be turned off as I mentioned earlier.
 

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I don't think this aspect was malfunctioning. Lucid is just very aggressive with their parking distance calculations and are super conservative on distances. The braking can be turned off as I mentioned earlier.
But honestly, Bob, if it behaves as Bill described, did Lucid actually think this was a good thing? Surely someone on the team must have said this is not the experience we want for our customers. I continue to scratch my head.
 

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Hey Bill,

Awesome feedback. It's really good to hear some of the issues you were having. Some of the items can be altered, took me a while to figure it out and maybe it'll help with your experience.

Regarding the parking emergency braking. There is an option to turn test off, which I did immediately. It's under the DreamDrive settings and it's the park comfort braking option. Turn that off and it'll alleviate your issue there.

The nav has an option to keep the map with north up. I've configured one of my map displays to do that and the other to use a 3d view.
Thanks for the parking tip. That was driving me crazy. I’ll try it out today.
 

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This is a great review. Few of the software issues you have mentioned here have been documented prior, so it’s great to hear this feedback.

As you are a first time electric owner, I would recommend a few things

  • do not get EA’s home charger. Their charging equipment is pretty terrible. Go with either Chargepoint Flex or Juicebox. Both are very highly rated
  • Tesla destination chargers can be used with other EVs provided you get an adapter. Ones like this work well: www.umc-j1772.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=143.They are often referred to by the brand name “TeslaTap”. Note: these do NOT work with superchargers
Thank you. I think that adaptor will come in handy.
 

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But honestly, Bob, if it behaves as Bill described, did Lucid actually think this was a good thing? Surely someone on the team must have said this is not the experience we want for our customers. I continue to scratch my head.
I mean, it behaves the way its intended to. To emergency braking the car before you hit something. They do give you the option to disable it, they also give you the option to disable the parking sensors. Not saying no issues, but this is something that's up to the user's preference.

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I mean, it behaves the way its intended to. To emergency braking the car before you hit something. They do give you the option to disable it, they also give you the option to disable the parking sensors. Not saying no issues, but this is something that's up to the user's preference.

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I could seen the concern with it. He have had a few cars offer an option on this warning for “tight” or “standard”. With the garage we have at home, it has to be set to an aggressive number, as there is not really a ton of spare space in it.
 

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Bill, thanks so much for such an honest, thoughtful and detailed review. This is the most in-depth review of how it is to actually live with this car on a day to day basis. I have been very open about my thoughts on this car being released too early and lacking functionality, at least at this point, of cars at a fraction of the price. There is absolutely no way a car in this price range, any price range, should have so many significant software issues. Good grief, the key people at Lucid were part of the Tesla design team and we’re supposed to have learned from many of the Tesla errors. It’s not good when you’re making Tesla software look good.

I‘ve come to accept this car will not get anything close to its stated range, but it will still be excellent if not somewhat disappointing. However I’m again concerned about another instance of relatively slow charging at an EA 150kW charger. This has happened to me only very rarely. I’d suggest you try a different 150kW EA charger to ensure it wasn’t a problematic charger.

Of much greater concern to me is the apparently malfunctioning parking distance hardware/software. This can actually make charging at many fast chargers nearly impossible, as you are required to edge the car very close to the charger due to the relatively short charging cables. It can be tough enough to do this in a properly functioning EV, but if the car is fighting you along the way, that’s really bad.

I believe everyone on this forum has been great, but as FFT noted above, there are too many here willing to excuse Lucid for issues that should never have occurred. This looks particularly bad when Lucid was quite clear this would be a car whose QC would be like no other.
See Hydbob post above. He indicates the park braking can be turned off. I’m going to try it today. I’ll admit I certainly have not yet navigated every available screen and option.
 

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I mean, it behaves the way its intended to. To emergency braking the car before you hit something. They do give you the option to disable it, they also give you the option to disable the parking sensors. Not saying no issues, but this is something that's up to the user's preference.

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24” cushion is far too much. At 24“ the Lucid is in full alarm panic mode and my gmc is calmly lighting up yellow. The GM product goes full red at 9”. Much more reasonable and practical. The Lucid is a fairly big car and parking 18 to 24” off a curb is not going to work. Even in a head in space, stopping 24” short leaves your ass in the aisle. Provide me with ”accurate information” Then I can decide. I don’t need a helicopter nanny AI. I do want preemptive braking though. :)
 

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Great review Bill55! On the software, I just don’t understand why companies want to make their software so complex. Simple is better. i have no experience with the car. However, it this is any indication, for example, their website is overly ornate and because they made it so complex, it crashes a lot on me. The site is trying to load too many layers and is just not coded right for something of that complexity. Sounds like the car is the same. These software developers are trying to get to fancy and forget to get the simple things right. I want a car that works, tha5 runs, that is not going to to wait with a little hourglass on the screen before I can start my journey. I want something where I am. To going to have to turn off the car and reboot the computer because there was a software glitch. Lucid… are you listening? Please get the software right bu the time my car is delivered, or you will have another unhappy, if not irate customer. Bill55, those little issues would drive me crazy too. I am looking forward to the range, charging speed and comfort. Those are what matter to me as this will replace an ICE for trips. However, those software issues will annoy me to no end. Not having CarPlay is just unacceptable. My Nissan Leaf has CarPlay. Pretty much every car on the market has CarPlay so no5 having it is unacceptable. I never use the NAV systems on the cars. They just aren’t really advanced enough or user friendly enough. I prefer Waze. Without CarPlay, I will have to mount my phone like on my old Toyota Sienna. In my garage, I will have to pull it to within 6 inches of the front to fit. If the car is fighting me by constantly braking, I will be frustrated. These are simple and shouldn’t hav3 been an issue to program.

Enough for now. Still waiting for that test drive I have. been promised since June. Sounds like there is a reason they are not letting it happen.
 

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Oh, I forgot, why did you set it for daily charging when you were going on a long trip?
I set it for distance before heading out on the trip and distance for the trip home. I am back to Daily now. 66.1 kWh to go from 150mi to 357. 357 is full right now on Daily charge setting
 
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