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Car and Driver rates Lucid No. 1 in “Who makes the best cars”

watermelonrooste said:
Do you understand the meaning of CAR BRAND vs CAR?
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I very clearly understand that CAR and CAR BRAND both refer to product as opposed to manufacturer. Toyota Supra is a product. Toyota is the brand associated with the product. BMW is the manufacturer of the Toyota Supra. Sometimes the same word can apply to all three (Lucid). In the case of Car & Driver they are very specific in stating it is their impressions of the vehicles, by brand. They state no opinion on the manufacturers.
 
watermelonrooste said:
I do not have information on car and driver
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Then please don’t pass off incorrect statements as fact.

watermelonrooste said:
but this was the story about the very well respected wine spectator magazine several
years ago https://wineeconomist.com/2008/09/04/the-wine-spectator-award-hoax/amp/
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They made up a fake restaurant, lied about it, and Wine Spectator took it on faith rather than researching it deeply. That’s a flaw of due diligence, but not the definition of “pay to play”
https://wineeconomist.com/2008/09/04/the-wine-spectator-award-hoax/amp/
watermelonrooste said:
I work in healthcare and own my practice. I constantly get approached by different publications for ‘best of ….’ listings and awards if I pay for them.
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Many industries have this. Security, too. That doesn’t mean all periodicals are this.

watermelonrooste said:
All the ‘best of’ listings that you see in airplane magazines are paid for.
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No, not all of them. You made that up.

watermelonrooste said:
I’m sure the automotive industry is no different.
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Being sure of things you don’t know about is not the flex you think it is.

watermelonrooste said:
Lucid winning any of those awards is a telltale sign.
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Okay.
 
watermelonrooste said:
Here is a little Claude research with some links about the auto awards.

Here are the sources. One correction to what I said earlier: Car and Driver's licensing fees are confirmed, but MotorTrend's are less clear-cut.


  • Checkbook.org investigation (the best single source): Automobile, Car and Driver, NACTOY and Popular Mechanics told Checkbook they charge fees to license their awards for advertising. Other outlets declined to answer. It also notes that carmakers have to pay J.D. Power to cite its awards in ads.
  • J.D. Power's own licensing page: It confirms that only the top-ranked brands can license its awards, and that any advertising use needs written permission.
  • WardsAuto (J.D. Power's founder): He recalls Toyota resisting a $350 fee to use a first-place result before eventually paying it. Licensing then became standard practice.
  • MotorTrend: The evidence is mixed. MotorTrend licensed its Car/Truck/SUV of the Year logos to Mudd Advertising, which lets dealers use them in direct mail. But one older source says MotorTrend didn't charge automakers a fee.
  • Consumer Reports (Consumerist): It reports that J.D. Power reportedly charges hundreds of thousands of dollars for survey access, and then a separate large fee to mention its awards in ads.

Sources:


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You are licensing the right to use their name and brand in advertising. You are not paying for the award.

Please read what you post carefully before you copy and paste it. If you don’t, you run the risk of inaccurately summarizing the content.
 
borski said:

Your bias is confirmation bias

You look for ways to justify your existing beliefs. We automatically find ways to make new information fit our existing narratives and preconceptions, and to dismiss information that does not.
yourbias.is yourbias.is
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Please, no more. These trolls are using all the air
 
borski said:

Your bias is confirmation bias

You look for ways to justify your existing beliefs. We automatically find ways to make new information fit our existing narratives and preconceptions, and to dismiss information that does not.
yourbias.is yourbias.is
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Yes. Of course biased based on my experience with the vehicle. You don't have to look far for others experiences too. Just look at the forums. It is full or mechanical, software and service failure stories. It is definitely a high performance car to drive from home to the service center. There are only two explanation on how they got 10/10. Either they paid for it or the person revieweing can't tell difference between a car and a cow.
 
watermelonrooste said:
Yes. Of course biased based on my experience with the vehicle. You don't have to look far for others experiences too. Just look at the forums. It is full or mechanical, software and service failure stories. It is definitely a high performance car to drive from home to the service center. There are only two explanation on how they got 10/10. Either they paid for it or the person revieweing can't tell difference between a car and a cow.
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A third explanation is they had a car that operated and performed the way it was designed to and they absolutely loved it. It could happen. I'm driving a car that fits that description. Some on this forum (@socktucker) have not been so blessed. Sounds like you are in that same camp.
 
watermelonrooste said:
Just look at the forums. It is full or mechanical, software and service failure stories. It is definitely a high performance car to drive from home to the service center. There are only two explanation on how they got 10/10. Either they paid for it or the person revieweing can't tell difference between a car and a cow.
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Such a troll. New to the overweb are you? Folk who are unhappy post. Folk who are happy are boring...nobody reads their posts.

I have had my Lucid Air GT for over four years and I'm thinking about calling in for service...because everything works. No issues.
No problems with key fob. I once replaced the wiper blades. Still the same tires... Brakes are like new. Oil, filters and spark plugs, points, distributor cap, wires...thermostat ... anyone know how to set points with a matchbook cover? Anyone know what a timing light is?

It is, by far, the best car I have ever driven ( 75 yo car freak).

I grew up on a dairy farm.
 
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watermelonrooste said:
Yes. Of course biased based on my experience with the vehicle.
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That is not what confirmation bias means. Please read what I linked to instead of just the headline.

watermelonrooste said:
You don't have to look far for others experiences too. Just look at the forums.
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Yeah, I don’t read the forums.

watermelonrooste said:
It is full or mechanical, software and service failure stories. It is definitely a high performance car to drive from home to the service center.
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Every car forum is. That is because all vehicles break.

watermelonrooste said:
There are only two explanation on how they got 10/10. Either they paid for it or the person revieweing can't tell difference between a car and a cow.
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Those are not the only two explanations. If you were to consider other perspectives outside your world view, and recognize your confirmation bias, you might be able to see the other possible explanations.

Have a lovely weekend.
 
gaskiller said:
Moderators, can we kick this troll out?
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Being wrong isn’t a crime. The guidelines exist for a reason, and he hasn’t broken them yet.

Feel free to use the ignore button if you’d like.
 
Boy I really stirred up a hornets nest with this post. To be fair I had some of the same pro and con thoughts when I first read this article. Car and Driver definitely lean more towards how fun the car is to drive, how well it does what it was intended to do (like a truck) etc. They rarely get into the weeds of reliability, service experience, owners surveys, as that is Consumer Reports game. For me, when my Gravity is working properly, without software glitches, second row seat issues, etc., it is the best car I have ever driven. My son who is a huge car guy agrees. But when issues pop up and service is impossible to reach and repairs takes month+, my elation with the car starts to diminish. The only design/engineering hardware issue I have with the Gravity is the second row seat and the rear hatch that I constantly bonk my head on. In my almost one year of ownership, the software has improved significantly, but still has a way to go (AR HUD, PAAK, etc.) but on the bad side, the Service Center experience has gone backwards.

And for those of you who did not get the “Turn it to 11” joke and want to continue to argue, push away from the computer, go grab a beer and put on the movie Spinal Tap.
 
Personally, considering the way the tech industry is screwing journalists, and the increasingly terrible economics of running any kind of journalistic outlet, I don't begrudge Car & Driver for charging licensing fees. They need to be able to pay their staff after all, and that's gotten mighty hard these days. Money is certainly a corrupting influence, and I agree that licensing fees could provide a temptation to make an award entirely pay to play. But the world is filled with corrupting influences, and while that results in some corruption, we also see many many things that resists the temptation. I usually find Car and Driver's analysis to make sense, and I cannot recall ever being truly baffled about why they gave a high ranking to a vehicle, even when I don't always agree with them. It certainly makes sense to me that they gave such high marks to Lucid's vehicles. I hang out here because I love the engineering Lucid has done, even with them face-planting on the execution from time to time.
 
Everything, today has to be taken with a grain of salt... Interested people has to do there research. For those who believe in any things I will accept that having a positive review (paid or not) is refreshing regarding all those negative ones and may help the brand. Are we 30k plus owners in that forum complaining about the Lucid car(s) ? Pretty sure those happy owners outscore the unhappy ones (count me in) but we don't (almost) hear of them. Long time ago there were "insider circle" people that get paid for something to happen. Then they legalized them, for a fee of course, calling them "Lobbyists" but they realized that we had to do something for the street people so, technology helping, they invented the so call "influencers" again for a fee. All that b.s happen because, we, has human deeply need to believe (eyes closed) in something, true or false, and "they" know it. Maybe eight out of ten peoples (my impressions, but a lot) never checked what they read or listen to. Well...
Have a great week.
 
ME2U said:
Everything, today has to be taken with a grain of salt... Interested people has to do there research. For those who believe in any things I will accept that having a positive review (paid or not) is refreshing regarding all those negative ones and may help the brand. Are we 30k plus owners in that forum complaining about the Lucid car(s) ? Pretty sure those happy owners outscore the unhappy ones (count me in) but we don't (almost) hear of them. Long time ago there were "insider circle" people that get paid for something to happen. Then they legalized them, for a fee of course, calling them "Lobbyists" but they realized that we had to do something for the street people so, technology helping, they invented the so call "influencers" again for a fee. All that b.s happen because, we, has human deeply need to believe (eyes closed) in something, true or false, and "they" know it. Maybe eight out of ten peoples (my impressions, but a lot) never checked what they read or listen to. Well...
Have a great week.
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If people actually looked they would find reality, but I suspect most would prefer to reenforce their preconceived beliefs.
 
I blame the present societal collapse on Silicon Valley greed…..when influences with no expertise or knowledge can move the needle with help from algorithms….
 
People like or hate cars for all sorts of reasons. Sounds like C&D’s reviewer here favors drivability, fun, handling, performance over everything else. Which happens to be my approach to judging what makes for a “good” car.

If you disagree, feel free to read other magazines.

What an amazing world we live in, where we’re actually allowed to agree or disagree.
 
Sample size is 1 of 1 for each vehicle that C&D tests. Each could be a gem or a lemon. Lots of grains of salt. I just ask myself, "Do I think Lucid is the best car?" At the end of the day, my opinion is the only one that counts (for my car). I'd say most of you are content with your Lucid; otherwise, you wouldn't be here.
 
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