Gravity Bugs / Issues

[johnse]

Wonder how many folks here can reveal their age and say they have coded in Fortran. I did so in school

I wrote Fortran on IBM Hollerith cards! Sequence numbers are your friend when you drop a deck

Also wrote assembly using coding forms that we then sent to be keypunched. Yes, the company had a pool of keypunch operators.

 

[GoDestruction]

I wrote Fortran on IBM Hollerith cards! Sequence numbers are your friend when you drop a deck

Also wrote assembly using coding forms that we then sent to be keypunched. Yes, the company had a pool of keypunch operators.

Dang! You beat me… I did Fortran and Assembly coding too but never got to deal punchcards!! Am sure you will have good stories to share around a beer

 

[BiruBoy11]

I’m only posting this because this is an issue I haven’t seen on this thread, and it’s a pretty big one.

I took delivery of a GDE (#19) a couple weeks ago and immediately had many of the same ‘minor’ issues many others have had with saving profiles, fobs intermittently working, etc. These things, while unacceptable for a premium vehicle, didn’t really bother me because the car is such a joy to drive.

About a week ago, I felt a slight bump/disengagement in the drivetrain after moving from a stop light. Electronic Stability Control (ESC) orange warning popped up and driving speed was immediately limited to 50 mph. ESC apparently impacts a host of other things so ‘brake hold unavailable’ and ‘Dreamdrive unavailable’ and some other orange warnings also popped up.

I called customer care and did a level 2 reset but that did not fix the issue. The car is now in the local service center and the shop foreman basically told me it would likely ‘take some time’ to be fixed due to parts shortages.

The car still has temp tags on it and I’ve put more miles on the loaner (Air Pure, great car by the way, 5 miles/kWh) than I have on my GDE.

Like everyone else who has had issues, I am disappointed in Lucid because I expected them to have learned something from problems with the Air, which I had leased from 2023-2025.

But, despite all these issues, I am actually more hopeful than angry because the driving dynamics on my GDE are still magnitudes better than anything else, even with the ESC failure. Also helps that the loaner is no slouch. Being an early adopter is always an adventure which I guess is the whole motivation for being an early adopter.

I hope Lucid can navigate the tough times and I can’t wait to get the car back.

 

[hmp10]

I hope Lucid can navigate the tough times and I can’t wait to get the car back.

Our GDE is being picked up today to go to a Service Center to have the HUD, the TCU, and probably the front console replaced as well as second-row seat noises addressed. I have to say I'll be relieved to have it beyond our reach for a while, as the past seven weeks have been an emotionally-draining Jekyll/Hyde of a roller coaster ride.

The car is so roomy and comfortable and so damned exhilarating to drive -- and this is coming from someone who has an Air Dream Performance in the garage -- that we just can't keep ourselves out of it. Yet, from the moment we try to put it into gear until we get out of it again, it hammers us with one software or hardware glitch after another, all the while feeling like we're cocooned in a rocket ship on rails.

It's just plain disturbing, and we need a rest.

 

[prodolf]

Wonder how many folks here can reveal their age and say they have coded in Fortran. I did so in school

Pascal. I just missed the punch card compiling mess at my school.

I’m only posting this because this is an issue I haven’t seen on this thread, and it’s a pretty big one.

I took delivery of a GDE (#19) a couple weeks ago and immediately had many of the same ‘minor’ issues many others have had with saving profiles, fobs intermittently working, etc. These things, while unacceptable for a premium vehicle, didn’t really bother me because the car is such a joy to drive.

About a week ago, I felt a slight bump/disengagement in the drivetrain after moving from a stop light. Electronic Stability Control (ESC) orange warning popped up and driving speed was immediately limited to 50 mph. ESC apparently impacts a host of other things so ‘brake hold unavailable’ and ‘Dreamdrive unavailable’ and some other orange warnings also popped up.

I called customer care and did a level 2 reset but that did not fix the issue. The car is now in the local service center and the shop foreman basically told me it would likely ‘take some time’ to be fixed due to parts shortages.

The car still has temp tags on it and I’ve put more miles on the loaner (Air Pure, great car by the way, 5 miles/kWh) than I have on my GDE.

Like everyone else who has had issues, I am disappointed in Lucid because I expected them to have learned something from problems with the Air, which I had leased from 2023-2025.

But, despite all these issues, I am actually more hopeful than angry because the driving dynamics on my GDE are still magnitudes better than anything else, even with the ESC failure. Also helps that the loaner is no slouch. Being an early adopter is always an adventure which I guess is the whole motivation for being an early adopter.

I hope Lucid can navigate the tough times and I can’t wait to get the car back.

Somewhat similar experience for me today. I have almost 3,000 miles on my GDE but this was a first. I was parked on a slight downhill slope this morning. When I put the car in reverse and took my foot off the brake it began to roll forward. Usually it holds until the reverse gear engages. All the way in today I couldn't one-foot drive, which I love. I tested it on a couple of stops and the regen is high but it never comes to a complete stop....almost and then slowly creeps. This is outright dangerous if you're used to the car stopping and holding without the need to brake, especially when stopped at a busy intersection. Anyone else experienced this behavior?

 

[jered]

Wonder how many folks here can reveal their age and say they have coded in Fortran. I did so in school

LOL; my first summer job (in high school) was converting a statistical analysis program from FORTRAN to... Visual Basic.

 

[Batteryman]

It might be a question of sementic,

> lock/unlock issues exists on both the Air and the Gravity.
> there are multiple paths to lock/unlock) vis-a-vis, FOB, Key Card, Phone (Blutooth, celluar), etc.
> but all these unlock signals go through the computer to assert the locking/unlocking function
> there are multiple theories RE: antenna, Bluetooth interference, WiFI interference, etc. etc.

To me, this sounds like a computer/SW problem rather than a "device" (FOB/Keycard) or Apps (Bluetooth/Celluar). Hence, replacingthe FAB/Key Cards/reinstalling the Apps won't really fix the problem.

Thoughts?

What!!!…..they still haven’t figured this out? Thought Gravity key was the game changer. Someone at Lucid should explain.

 

[Richinwalla]

I have a Gravity Grand Touring on order. But I live more than 200 miles from the closest service center. Am I crazy to take delivery considering all the issues and how far I am from a service center?

 

[Batteryman]

The big issue with our TCU is that it is not transmitting GPS information, so neither our navigation system, nor satellite maps, nor any geofencing-related functions are working -- including ADAS features that need to know the car is on an authorized route.

This, as well as bright white ghost reflections from a distorted HUD screen and noises from the second-row seat, still has me scratching my head how this car got through post-production inspection and the brief test track drive . . . or if Lucid even bothered with any of that.

I would view "only" having key fob issues as a walk in the park.

I find the facts that Lucid is still continuing to deliver Gravities and that posters are now reporting having to wait until October to get Service Center slots to be a bit scary.

I don’t think Lucid bothered…they are struggling and they just drugged a deeper hole…..self inflicted harm…as if the present EV political climate isn’t enough.

 

[BS8899]

What!!!…..they still haven’t figured this out? Thought Gravity key was the game changer. Someone at Lucid should explain.

If the problem is in the computer/SW as I am inferring, no new FOB will fix the unlocking problem.

The Air FOB has its own problems (e.g., battery drain).

 

[hydbob]

I’m only posting this because this is an issue I haven’t seen on this thread, and it’s a pretty big one.

I took delivery of a GDE (#19) a couple weeks ago and immediately had many of the same ‘minor’ issues many others have had with saving profiles, fobs intermittently working, etc. These things, while unacceptable for a premium vehicle, didn’t really bother me because the car is such a joy to drive.

About a week ago, I felt a slight bump/disengagement in the drivetrain after moving from a stop light. Electronic Stability Control (ESC) orange warning popped up and driving speed was immediately limited to 50 mph. ESC apparently impacts a host of other things so ‘brake hold unavailable’ and ‘Dreamdrive unavailable’ and some other orange warnings also popped up.

I called customer care and did a level 2 reset but that did not fix the issue. The car is now in the local service center and the shop foreman basically told me it would likely ‘take some time’ to be fixed due to parts shortages.

The car still has temp tags on it and I’ve put more miles on the loaner (Air Pure, great car by the way, 5 miles/kWh) than I have on my GDE.

Like everyone else who has had issues, I am disappointed in Lucid because I expected them to have learned something from problems with the Air, which I had leased from 2023-2025.

But, despite all these issues, I am actually more hopeful than angry because the driving dynamics on my GDE are still magnitudes better than anything else, even with the ESC failure. Also helps that the loaner is no slouch. Being an early adopter is always an adventure which I guess is the whole motivation for being an early adopter.

I hope Lucid can navigate the tough times and I can’t wait to get the car back.

Interesting. I've encountered a few instances where traction control believes my tires are slipping and limits my speed to almost 0 acceleration. But this is on dry pavement with no slippage of the wheels. I've also gotten the same errors which reset itself after a couple days.

 

[BiruBoy11]

Interesting. I've encountered a few instances where traction control believes my tires are slipping and limits my speed to almost 0 acceleration. But this is on dry pavement with no slippage of the wheels. I've also gotten the same errors which reset itself after a couple days.

Was just on phone with the service center and my issue was diagnosed as a front drive unit problem, needs new FDU. I really hope my problem is not indicative of the general quality of Gravity drive units because that is a worst-case scenario. Had a complete FDU failure in my previous Air GT and it was not pleasant.

 

[hmp10]

Pascal. I just missed the punch card compiling mess at my school.

Somewhat similar experience for me today. I have almost 3,000 miles on my GDE but this was a first. I was parked on a slight downhill slope this morning. When I put the car in reverse and took my foot off the brake it began to roll forward. Usually it holds until the reverse gear engages. All the way in today I couldn't one-foot drive, which I love. I tested it on a couple of stops and the regen is high but it never comes to a complete stop....almost and then slowly creeps. This is outright dangerous if you're used to the car stopping and holding without the need to brake, especially when stopped at a busy intersection. Anyone else experienced this behavior?

Our GDE spontaneously switched from "Hold" to "Creep" mode when we had been nowhere near that menu. Have you checked your brake settings?

 

[Batteryman]

If the problem is in the computer/SW as I am inferring, no new FOB will fix the unlocking problem.

The Air FOB has its own problems (e.g., battery drain).

Well, my wife needs a new car, we thought Gravity, no way am I buying her this, imagine not being able to get in the car and drive normally, if you have to do this dance every time…..nope. We crossed this off our list. Very very disappointing! Lucid should have done better.

 

[hmp10]

Well, my wife needs a new car, we thought Gravity, no way am I buying her this, imagine not being able to get in the car and drive normally, if you have to do this dance every time…..nope. We crossed this off our list. Very very disappointing! Lucid should have done better.

If your wife can wait a year, I'm convinced the Gravity will be the best people/cargo hauler on the planet across all the key dimensions: room, ride, handling, power, efficiency, and (eventually) reliability. The design, engineering, and structural bones of the Gravity are simply superb.

But, as I learned with our Air Dream Performance and now our Gravity Dream Edition, a Lucid is not a car anyone should consider buying in the early months of production unless they have a very high tolerance for a very large number of service visits. Lucid will stick by you and make the car right, but it will take a lot of work and patience on both ends.

 

[jrreno]

Well the verdict is in for my "key card not enabling drive" issue.

The connector to the security node that enables the car to go into gear is bent and the metal casing around that connector is broken.
The supplier of the center console, during assembly, has been pushing the cup holders into place on the console.
Doing so causes the bottom of the cupholders to press into and bend/break the connector to the sentry node.

This sounds very familiar to what another member mentioned, but w/o details.

The wire from the sentry mode to the nfc reader for the key card should be routed around the cupholders instead of under the cupholders.
That routing keeps the security node connector from being so close to the cupholders bottom that risk of bending/breaking doesn't exist.

The mobile tech mentioned this as a possible cause even before he started working.
He's seen it on another Gravity in their shop and has seen pictures from other techs.

Lucid has issued a technical service campaign for the issue.
Currently the campaign is for range of VINs unless a customer notifies Lucid of an issue.
The connector cannot simply be replaced because the supplier is not providing individual parts; only complete consoles.

I asked how long.
The tech knows of another tech who found the issue and parts were ordered on Aug. 5.
The part has been installed, so possibly around two weeks, but the tech was sure.

I mentioned my concern with not having a key card as a backup if the key fob isn't working.
He said I could call the service manager anytime and a tech would be notified to remotely start the car.

This possibly explains the recent production stoppage.
Also, to me, this isn't on Lucid specifically; it's the parts supplier.
However, I do wonder why this wasn't caught during post production and pre-delivery inspection.
There's probably a good reason; I just don't have it.

Thank you for the detailed information.

 

[jrreno]

I wrote Fortran on IBM Hollerith cards! Sequence numbers are your friend when you drop a deck

Also wrote assembly using coding forms that we then sent to be keypunched. Yes, the company had a pool of keypunch operators.

I only wrote Fortran on cards in school. At work coded in assembly on an Intellec development system. C3 00 00.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

Pascal. I just missed the punch card compiling mess at my school.

Somewhat similar experience for me today. I have almost 3,000 miles on my GDE but this was a first. I was parked on a slight downhill slope this morning. When I put the car in reverse and took my foot off the brake it began to roll forward. Usually it holds until the reverse gear engages. All the way in today I couldn't one-foot drive, which I love. I tested it on a couple of stops and the regen is high but it never comes to a complete stop....almost and then slowly creeps. This is outright dangerous if you're used to the car stopping and holding without the need to brake, especially when stopped at a busy intersection. Anyone else experienced this behavior?

Yeah triple check the car has not switched itself into Creep mode. There’s a bug I have experienced the last 3 service visits where when I got the car back the car was in roll mode, which the service center did not set it to. I’m not sure if it’s software related or if there’s a “service mode” that triggers it or something but it’s been reproduced for me in the Air I think 3 times now. I’m wondering if Gravity has a similar glitch? I know of at least 2 other Air owners this has happened to, so I hope Lucid is aware, as yes it is a safety issue. Definitely check roll/hold/ creep settings and confirm they’re off (you cannot switch off creep or roll unless the vehicle is in park).

 

[msaunders9430]

I have a Gravity Grand Touring on order. But I live more than 200 miles from the closest service center. Am I crazy to take delivery considering all the issues and how far I am from a service center?

If I were in your situation, I would not take delivery.

However, there are members who are pleased with the mobile service provided when a service center is not close to them.
Also, I believe Lucid provides loaners and transport, but the situation varies.

Hopefully, some of them will chime in.

 

[PJW]

Well, it IS a two step entry and start process. To be fair, it’s the same with our Tesla X and our R1S. You can use a key card to unlock and get in. Then you use the key card AGAIN to get the car to be ready to go into gear.

So…I am guessing the fob does the same type of authentication or whatever…

FWIW, the fob seems to have a couple of settings at different distances. For example, my Gravity lights up and “wakes” when I am somewhat close, but the door handles don’t present. The handles present when I am really almost standing at the car/closer, then when I get in, it seems to check for the fob when I put my foot on the brake to start it. This is similar to our X PaaK behavior, but different from the R1S.

I don't understand why Lucid makes unlocking and starting the car so complicated. I have had a Taycan since 2021. I only need to have the key fob in my pocket. I walk up the car and it unlocks, presenting the door handle. I sit in the driver's seat, close the door, put my foot on the brake and the car comes to life. When I leave the car it automatically locks when a get a certain distance away. Works great. Why does Lucid struggle with this? It is credibility killer to be insecure about whether you can enter the car and have it actually start.