Lucid Navigation vs Google Maps

[RMSko]

I’ve tried to use the Lucid navigation system since it uses the full screen, but it is significantly worse than Google Maps. I thought it was supposed to use the same software as Google Maps, but it clearly doesn’t. I’ve tested it a lot around my home area and It often sends me on far longer routes than Google Maps. Has anyone else experienced this?

 

[DeaneG]

I’ve tried to use the Lucid navigation system since it uses the full screen, but it is significantly worse than Google Maps. I thought it was supposed to use the same software as Google Maps, but it clearly doesn’t. I’ve tested it a lot around my home area and It often sends me on far longer routes than Google Maps. Has anyone else experienced this?

Yes. Lucid's navigation uses HERE maps, which is completely unrelated to Google maps. It's not great in my experience and is my only real disappointment in the Air.

Lucid's navigation team has made great improvements over the last two years with HERE. But it has a small fraction of the POIs that Google maps does, and no information about where the entrance to a building is located. Built-in shortcomings that can't be overcome.

Plus the navigation voice sounds like she'd rather be anywhere else, doing anything else.

 

[BS8899]

I’ve tried to use the Lucid navigation system since it uses the full screen, but it is significantly worse than Google Maps. I thought it was supposed to use the same software as Google Maps, but it clearly doesn’t. I’ve tested it a lot around my home area and It often sends me on far longer routes than Google Maps. Has anyone else experienced this?

Yup, that's my experience as well. Nowadays, I hardly ever use Lucid's navigation. It is basically useless.

A few days ago, I was trying to find Costco in Concorde CA. Since I've never been to Concorde (driving from Sausalito), I needed navigation. My phone mount in my AGT is at a place I can't see the screen very well. So, I thought I will give Lucid navigation another go. It routed me all over the map! I finally had to stop, pulled off the Hwy (I-680), and restart from scratch, with my phone (Google maps).

To my knowledge, Lucid's navigation uses HERE maps, a European vendor. The routing can be very funky. Also, there is an unacceptable amount of delay. If you missed a turn, by the time the navigation re-routes you, you've already missed the new turn.

 

[CraZ8]

Just use Waze on Apple CarPlay. You also see where the Popo are at any given time

 

[LuvLucy]

Many would say google maps sucks and Waze is the only way to go for navigation. Nothing special about google maps at all, just sayin.

 

[DeaneG]

Many would say google maps sucks and Waze is the only way to go for navigation. Nothing special about google maps at all, just sayin.

They use the same database. That's key.

 

[DeaneG]

Just use Waze on Apple CarPlay. You also see where the Popo are at any given time

I've been wanting to use Android Auto for 26 months now. We tried iPhones but they didn't work out. BTW Google maps also shows police, accidents, construction, speed traps very much like Waze.

But neither one on CarPlay or Android Auto, if it existed, will do EV route/range planning, essential for road trips.

 

[Leftlane]

Many would say google maps sucks and Waze is the only way to go for navigation. Nothing special about google maps at all, just sayin.

Well, Google owns Waze and is now integrating Waze right into their maps, so…..

 

[DeaneG]

Well, Google owns Waze and is now integrating Waze right into their maps, so…..

It's been integrated in my Volvo's native Google nav for a long time.

 

[kort6776]

I only use the car's nav on longer trips which require charging along the route, the automatic pre conditioning is why. you can run waze and the nav system at the same time, just don't input a destination into waze

 

[JGard18]

If you think Lucid's nav is bad, you should try Rivian's. They use MapBox and holy cow it is terrible. YEARS out of date. Anyway, I've been using the built-in nav on my Lucid since I got it last October and have nothing at all to complain about.

 

[Westchester Air]

In general, the Lucid Navi interface is leaps and bounds ahead of carplay. It's hard to use that tiny carplay screen when you have the full screen along with the pilot panel overview when using the Lucid Navi. Speaking for myself, a longtime Waze (carplay) user, I've found the Lucid Navi to be perfectly acceptable. The traffic routing is reasonably good as well. This could be a function of my driving being mostly in the NYC area where perhaps their data is more robust? The beauty of course is...different strokes for different folks. You can choose

 

[DeaneG]

..., I've found the Lucid Navi to be perfectly acceptable. The traffic routing is reasonably good as well. This could be a function of my driving being mostly in the NYC area where perhaps their data is more robust?...

HERE seems to work pretty well in my area for destinations that have addresses, except for the ignorance of building entrance location. It doesn't work very well for destinations that are places, like a viewpoint or a trailhead.

 

[Westchester Air]

HERE seems to work pretty well for destinations that have addresses, except for the ignorance of building entrance location. It doesn't work very well for destinations that are places, like a viewpoint or a trailhead.

To date...have really been using for "known addresses" as opposed to "locations/places". This is a good tip.

 

[coma24]

My experience with HERE maps has generally been fine. Truly confused why anyone would call them 'useless'. I will say that it doesn't always find the quickest route through local streets and tends to favor sticking to more major roads. It's not a question of taking into account speed limits either (ie, it evaluating the side roads but opting for the major roads), because once I turn into the side street and it re-routes, the ETA does go down, indicating that even by its metrics, this is a more efficient route. I get the sense it's not fully evaluating every possible option, and only evaluates the side street once you're on it. I can't think of another reason. It's a minor nitpick, though as the time difference is usually very small.

I absolutely appreciate the route management features on long trips to evaluate other options with it showing time and SOC implications.

Between using Tidal for audio and HERE maps for the nav, I basically don't use my phone for anything other than bluetooth connectivity for making/receiving calls/texts.

 

[DeaneG]

My experience with HERE maps has generally been fine. Truly confused why anyone would call them 'useless'. ...

It has greatly improved over the past couple years and is generally OK now. We've had some pretty big problems with it in the past, but it looks like the root causes of those have been fixed.

 

[coma24]

It has greatly improved over the past couple years and is generally OK now. We've had some pretty big problems with it in the past, but it looks like the root causes of those have been fixed.

I picked up my car when it was still struggling with place names and would often send you to the dead center of town. It does seem better now.

I've even been having decent luck with Lucid Assistant for nav and dialing by name.

 

[ColonelBadger]

Plus the navigation voice sounds like she'd rather be anywhere else, doing anything else.

That's a great description of the voice !!! They sound so bored !

 

[Westchester Air]

I will say that it doesn't always find the quickest route through local streets and tends to favor sticking to more major roads. It's not a question of taking into account speed limits either (ie, it evaluating the side roads but opting for the major roads), because once I turn into the side street and it re-routes, the ETA does go down, indicating that even by its metrics, this is a more efficient route. I get the sense it's not fully evaluating every possible option, and only evaluates the side street once you're on it. I can't think of another reason. It's a minor nitpick, though as the time difference is usually very small.

This may literally be a choice made by the HERE algorithms. I see the same things in Google Maps vs. Waze. Waze will make me jump onto the local roads and make like 47 turns to save two minutes. I feel like you know what you're getting with Waze. Google maps will often keep you on the main roads, even if it takes a minute or two longer. In the past, for that reason, I would often use Waze when I "knew where I was going" and Google maps when I was somewhere very new. Sounds like, from what you're saying, HERE is closer to Google maps than Waze, which is fine.

On a side note...It was nice meeting you @coma24 at the Rutherford event last weekend. You and I had a nice convo near the vehicle lift

 

[JGard18]

My experience with HERE maps has generally been fine. Truly confused why anyone would call them 'useless'. I will say that it doesn't always find the quickest route through local streets and tends to favor sticking to more major roads. It's not a question of taking into account speed limits either (ie, it evaluating the side roads but opting for the major roads), because once I turn into the side street and it re-routes, the ETA does go down, indicating that even by its metrics, this is a more efficient route. I get the sense it's not fully evaluating every possible option, and only evaluates the side street once you're on it. I can't think of another reason. It's a minor nitpick, though as the time difference is usually very small.

I absolutely appreciate the route management features on long trips to evaluate other options with it showing time and SOC implications.

Between using Tidal for audio and HERE maps for the nav, I basically don't use my phone for anything other than bluetooth connectivity for making/receiving calls/texts.

Oh man, HOW do you live with Tidal?! hah. It's like the single worst music app I've ever used on any platform. I've wanted to like it, but it's just so hard to use. That's the one reason I have CarPlay running. I'd say 75% of my music is via USB, but otherwise it's via CarPlay. If they can fix Tidal to make it at least not reset every album/playlist whenever you get back into the car, I may try it again, though. That's the thing that kills me. It would also be nice if it was smart enough to just play Atmos versions of songs/albums by default, instead of making us hunt for them through the web UI