Tired of lack of Android support

Globally, that's true but the US is a different story. Apple has 58% to Android's 40%.


fwiw, I'm an android user. :)
The percentage isn't relevant. It's a promised feature and people who paid as much for the car as others are entitled to what was promised.

It's not as if Lucid isn't sincerely trying though, and it's also not clear that they are giving iPhones priority. It might come down to the relative effort.

Posts blaming Lucid for the delay aren't accomplishing anything and neither are posts implying anything about which phone OS anyone should be using or which should get priority.

As with cars, people have preferences for other devices too. Pointing fingers at Lucid, shifting the blame to Google or implying that Android is less important won't make the software show up any faster.
 
I'm really getting tired of the lack of Android support by Lucid, whether it be no Android Auto or the new app experiences being released for iOS only with Android coming "in early 2025" with no date specified. When is early...Jan? Feb? March? April? Is this the same timing as AA being available in late Fall? I get that AA is in testing, but it's been the better part of a year since CarPlay was released.

Lucid is choosing not to prioritize Android, which is their right to do, but after 2 years of ownership I'm not interested in continuing to prioritize investing in an ongoing 2nd tier user experience, or recommending others do so.
Agreed. They keep promising this android update and it never comes. Frankly, It's ridiculous. I have had my lucid since August of 2022. They promised when I ordered it that Android Auto would be included by the time my car shipped. Obviously it didn't happen. They have announced its release was imminent twice since then. Obviously that hasn't happened either. I absolutely love the luxury and performance of the car but this issue is definitely a thorn. Thanks for the lost.
 
Honestly, the Android Auto / Apple CarPlay thing doesn't matter much; here's why:

My Cadillac CT6 (sold) had a Navigation as Native (through a USB map update) on their "CUE" dash system, or you could burrow-into the Native OnStar App in "CUE" and there'd be MORE Apps, one of which was Nav, or you could use Android Auto which would have Google Maps Nav and Waze Nav, or you could press the physical OnStar button above the rearview mirror, and they'd send ANOTHER Nav guidance through your HUD and it'd be a completely DIFFERENT Nav than the OnStar App Nav. That's FIVE NAVs! Which Nav do I choose? Do I update them all? Can my Nav have a Nav?

Streaming audio was the same. You could listen to Native CUE SiriusXM via the L-Band antenna or you could stream it via making your phone a WiFi Hotspot, or you could run it from the Android App SiriusXM and then send it via Bluetooth or wired, or you could run the native Android Auto SiriusXM into the CUE system via bluetooth or wired via USB-A or USB-C, or you could open a Chrome browser on your phone and log into the web-based SiriusXM and stream it via T-Mobile into your phone, then transmit it as a Bluetooth player into the CUE system as "Bluetooth audio" or you could listen to it as a wired USB-drive system via USB-A or USB-C. Like 10 ways to listen to SiriusXM. Same goes for Tidal, Pandora, Spotify, No-Heart-Radio, etc. Nuts.

I'm content with Lucid's onboard systems, but if I get antsy, I can resort to audio-only Bluetooth Waze with its embedded Pandora + and keep the Lucid Nav up for reference visually.

Honestly, all this tech is unnecessary. I don't even need any of the cameras. My Corvette had none of this, or my Firehawk, or my Lotus Elise, or any other sports car I've ever owned. Not needed, though I miss having a clutch. ;p The car itself drives amazing. Suspension is amazing. Acceleration is amazing. It's enough. The tech is a frosting-on-a-cake unnecessary distraction. I wish Lucid had none, maybe just 2 good speakers and a Bluetooth receiver with only an on-off LED light, completely blank. All unnecessary fluff.
I was good with everything you said until you got to 2 speakers. Play Orchestral Suite in D aka Air on the G String. Then Ravel's Bolero with the sound cranked up. It's been over 2 years of ownership and I have a smile every time I get in the Touring. I have a Samsung S24. Can't say I miss AA but I probably don't know what I'm missing. I drive to drive, and the Touring delivers in every way.
 
When has Lucid ever said they are choosing not to prioritize Android? Also, AA and the app are not the same at all; conflating them is a mistake.

I understand your frustration; I do. But please keep in mind that AA and the app are separate issues.
They really aren't separate issues. It's comical to me that some keep finding reasons to say this isn't a big deal and stop banging Lucid. I was assured that Android auto would be delivered with my GT in June of 2022. There are really only three options when evaluating why this hasn't been delivered:
1- the company is/was dishonest;
2- the company is incompetent. Other car companies have been able to deliver Android Auto;
3- It has not been prioritized by Lucid.
I enjoy the car. The lack of android support and Lucids lack of transparency on the matter have convinced me to choose the Lyriq over the Gravity. I love the look and exclusivity of the gravity but I cannot stomach the management of Lucid and their conduct on this issue.
 
They really aren't separate issues. It's comical to me that some keep finding reasons to say this isn't a big deal and stop banging Lucid. I was assured that Android auto would be delivered with my GT in June of 2022. There are really only three options when evaluating why this hasn't been delivered:
1- the company is/was dishonest;
2- the company is incompetent. Other car companies have been able to deliver Android Auto;
3- It has not been prioritized by Lucid.
I enjoy the car. The lack of android support and Lucids lack of transparency on the matter have convinced me to choose the Lyriq over the Gravity. I love the look and exclusivity of the gravity but I cannot stomach the management of Lucid and their conduct on this issue.
I am not sure I would call the company dishonest on this issue. The many Lucid employees who said Android Auto would be delivered earlier honestly believed that, I'm sure.

It is fair to say Lucid has been incompetent with Android Auto. Three years of promises of AA is a joke at this point. I am another SUV buyer who decided not to buy the Gravity because of this issue.

I find it laughable when anyone defends Lucid with the statement that the company has not prioritized Android Auto. There's no question that Lucid has not prioritized Android Auto. Obviously, the company has lost sales because of the lack of AA, and whoever decided not to make it a #1 priority continues to make a big mistake.

I am tired of the excuses at this point. I have downgraded Lucid now in my second independent customer car survey I received.

I have lost trust in Lucid as a company with this issue. And losing customer trust is the worst thing a company can do.
 
Interesting. The only rational reason I ever came up with was my speculation that Lucid would be the eventual manufacturer of the Apple Car, and that they were so focused on keeping Apple happy that they took it to the point of letting aOS users be unhappy.

BTW, all other indicators notwithstanding, I would not be so sure that the ship has sailed on this relationship. The synergies are compelling, and no company keeps its cards to its chest like Apple.
 
I would only add, that given my recent experience with Google Fi (I switch back to evil red less than two weeks in) I can understand why that conglomerate is the root cause of this massive delay.
 
They really aren't separate issues.
Yes, they really are. The Android app has complete parity with the iOS app today. So, by definition, they are separate issues as the app is a non-issue, and AA still is.

It's comical to me that some keep finding reasons to say this isn't a big deal and stop banging Lucid. I was assured that Android auto would be delivered with my GT in June of 2022.
Nobody has said it isn’t a big deal. It sucks.

There are really only three options when evaluating why this hasn't been delivered:
1- the company is/was dishonest;
2- the company is incompetent. Other car companies have been able to deliver Android Auto;
3- It has not been prioritized by Lucid.
I enjoy the car. The lack of android support and Lucids lack of transparency on the matter have convinced me to choose the Lyriq over the Gravity. I love the look and exclusivity of the gravity but I cannot stomach the management of Lucid and their conduct on this issue.
Incorrect - there is a fourth option, which is that Lucid is telling the truth, and that it has been a painful ordeal for a lot of paperwork, contractual, and/or “waiting on others” reasons, possibly combined with some missteps early on.

You don’t have to believe that, but it’s very clear the company isn’t dishonest or incompetent, which leaves only your assertion of lack of prioritization - that’s certainly possible, but they have stated otherwise multiple times, and given their prior track record of honesty, I see no reason to think they’re lying.

That doesn’t mean it doesn’t suck to not have it.
 
Yes, they really are. The Android app has complete parity with the iOS app today. So, by definition, they are separate issues as the app is a non-issue, and AA still is.


Nobody has said it isn’t a big deal. It sucks.


Incorrect - there is a fourth option, which is that Lucid is telling the truth, and that it has been a painful ordeal for a lot of paperwork, contractual, and/or “waiting on others” reasons, possibly combined with some missteps early on.

You don’t have to believe that, but it’s very clear the company isn’t dishonest or incompetent, which leaves only your assertion of lack of prioritization - that’s certainly possible, but they have stated otherwise multiple times, and given their prior track record of honesty, I see no reason to think they’re lying.

That doesn’t mean it doesn’t suck to not have it.
Perhaps a lack of commitment might explain everything away. But a lack of commitment on a product feature after communicating its immanent availability (Q3'2024, the latest date communicated) and (literally within hours of end of Q3'2024) sluffing the blame onto Google. Take your pick, is that incompetency? Lying? Lack of priority? All of the above?

Imminent AA availability was communicated to many buyers (including me) as far back as mid 2022. Furthermore, AA was acknowledged as a deliverable by the CEO more than 18(?) months ago. Yet, it kept on slipping with no guidance from Lucid. It was supposed to be "done" by Fall of 2024. Latest explanation was "AA is out of our hands. Lucid's part is done. Delay is all because of Google".

Come on, these are lame excuses! I can't believe any competent company taking a position that when some of the their SW has to be certified by a 3rd party considers their job done and sluff off the delay to another party that has to certify it! That's akin to Boeing saying the 797 is done, it is up to the FFA to certify it, schedule is unknown. Certification IS part of the development! A product is not done until it is certified and shipped to customers.

You can call it what you want.
 
Perhaps a lack of commitment might explain everything away.
I am not trying to “explain anything away.” I think Lucid should have released AA ages ago. We are not in disagreement on that. I don’t know how to make that more clear, since I’ve said those words half a dozen times now, but: we do not disagree on whether Lucid should release AA, and that’s it’s a bad look that they haven’t yet.

That opinion can and does coexist with “… and I’m not certain it’s entirely their fault they haven’t yet.”

These opinions are not orthogonal.

But a lack of commitment on a product feature after communicating its immanent availability (Q3'2024, the latest date communicated) and (literally within hours of end of Q3'2024) sluffing the blame onto Google. Take your pick, is that incompetency? Lying? Lack of priority? All of the above?
None of the above.

Shit happens. Sometimes things occur that are out of our control. Sometimes they are not only out of our control, but entirely unpredictable. Sometimes, it happens at the worst times.

I had a tree fall on my house while I was in Italy. Why didn’t it do that while I was home? Very inconsiderate.

A year and a half later, another tree fell at my house. This time, a neighbor’s. Took out a bunch of stuff I’d just replaced from the first tree.

We didn’t throw a summer BBQ for two years because we were rebuilding it twice; but none of our friends necessarily knew that.

So did we “forget”? Not care? Were we so incompetent we couldn’t throw a BBQ?

No, shit happened, and we could not control it. How do I know? Insurance paid me, and they don’t pay if I was negligent or dishonest.

That is the most likely reason, as it is the simplest reason. It is obvious Lucid doesn’t like this, and that should be a fairly clear indicator that the issues preventing AA from release may not be something entirely in their control.

Imminent AA availability was communicated to many buyers (including me) as far back as mid 2022. Furthermore, AA was acknowledged as a deliverable by the CEO more than 18(?) months ago. Yet, it kept on slipping with no guidance from Lucid. It was supposed to be "done" by Fall of 2024. Latest explanation was "AA is out of our hands. Lucid's part is done. Delay is all because of Google".
Yup. That sucks. Really does. I wish they’d release it or make a fuller statement, but they may not be able to. For all I know, they’re contractually bound by Google not to. I have no idea.

Maybe they should. If they can. I hope they do.

Come on, these are lame excuses!
Not excuses. Explanations.

An explanation seeks to clarify a situation, providing reasons or context to make something understandable, while an excuse aims to deflect blame or responsibility, often by providing a justification for a negative action.

Ex: a vase is broken in the house.

Mom: How did this vase get broken?

Explanation: Shawn and I were wrestling and we knocked it off the table.

Excuse: Shawn pushed me into the table

See the difference? It’s a common mistake, but explanations are not excuses.

Lucid has never said they aren’t responsible. They have never said “Google sucks and won’t let us in.” They have said “we are working with Google to certify it, and at the moment the ball is in their court, but we continue to try and push it through and make any changes so we can get this out.”

They have not abdicated responsibility, which would be the requirement for it to be an excuse. They are still the ones on the hook for AA, which is why you’re here talking about it and not on some Google forum somewhere.

I can't believe any competent company taking a position that when some of the their SW has to be certified by a 3rd party considers their job done and sluff off the delay to another party that has to certify it!
What makes you think they consider their job “done”? I guarantee you they are regularly talking to Google to get this pushed through. I can also guarantee they cannot force Google or their partners to work any faster or to prioritize them any more than someone else, if that’s even the issue.

That's akin to Boeing saying the 797 is done, it is up to the FFA to certify it, schedule is unknown. Certification IS part of the development! A product is not done until it is certified and shipped to customers.
Who said it was done? It’s clearly not out, so it’s not done. Lucid hasn’t “waved their hands of it,” but has stated that it is outside their hands, at least as of when they last updated us. That’s not “we are done and don’t care,” but “we are in the final stages with Google, and we don’t control Google,” which is true.

You can call it what you want.
A significant delay that looks awful from a PR perspective, likely caused by outside forces and circumstances that Lucid did not predict (but perhaps could have, had they done this before, which they hadn’t), which has caused a lot of drama and unhappiness amongst owners of Android devices. Seems we can at least agree on that.
 
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I am not trying to “explain anything away.” I think Lucid should have released AA ages ago. We are not in disagreement on that. I don’t know how to make that more clear, since I’ve said those words half a dozen times now, but: we do not disagree on whether Lucid should release AA, and that’s it’s a bad look that they haven’t yet.

That opinion can and does coexist with “… and I’m not certain it’s entirely their fault they haven’t yet.”

These opinions are not orthogonal.


None of the above.

Shit happens. Sometimes things occur that are out of our control. Sometimes they are not only out of our control, but entirely unpredictable. Sometimes, it happens at the worst times.

I had a tree fall on my house while I was in Italy. Why didn’t it do that while I was home? Very inconsiderate.

A year and a half later, another tree fell at my house. This time, a neighbor’s. Took out a bunch of stuff I’d just replaced from the first tree.

We didn’t throw a summer BBQ for two years because we were rebuilding it twice; but none of our friends necessarily knew that.

So did we “forget”? Not care? Were we so incompetent we couldn’t throw a BBQ?

No, shit happened, and we could not control it. How do I know? Insurance paid me, and they don’t pay if I was negligent or dishonest.

That is the most likely reason, as it is the simplest reason. It is obvious Lucid doesn’t like this, and that should be a fairly clear indicator that the issues preventing AA from release may not be something entirely in their control.


Yup. That sucks. Really does. I wish they’d release it or make a fuller statement, but they may not be able to. For all I know, they’re contractually bound by Google not to. I have no idea.

Maybe they should. If they can. I hope they do.


Not excuses. Explanations.

An explanation seeks to clarify a situation, providing reasons or context to make something understandable, while an excuse aims to deflect blame or responsibility, often by providing a justification for a negative action.

Ex: a vase is broken in the house.

Mom: How did this vase get broken?

Explanation: Shawn and I were wrestling and we knocked it off the table.

Excuse: Shawn pushed me into the table

See the difference? It’s a common mistake, but explanations are not excuses.


What makes you think they consider their job “done”? I guarantee you they are regularly talking to Google to get this pushed through. I can also guarantee they cannot force Google or their partners to work any faster or to prioritize them any more than someone else, if that’s even the issue.


Who said it was done? It’s clearly not out, so it’s not done. Lucid hasn’t “waved their hands of it,” but has stated that it is outside their hands, at least as of when they last updated us. That’s not “we are done and don’t care,” but “we are in the final stages with Google, and we don’t control Google,” which is true.


A significant delay that looks awful from a PR perspective, likely caused by outside forces and circumstances that Lucid did not predict (but perhaps could have, had they done this before, which they hadn’t), which has caused a lot of drama and unhappiness amongst owners of Android devices. Seems we can at leWhen you own st agree on that.
When you own and develop a product, YOU own all the dependencies. Other than acts of God (e.g., an earthquake destroyed my/my-supplier's factory, hence the delay). YOU own it because you produce, sell, and support he product. the customer pays YOU. The customers don't pay your suppliers or the certification body.

I don't buy your convoluted arguments. I don't think they are in good-faith. Companies who don't own their products/services through-and-through are destined to fail!
 
When you own and develop a product, YOU own all the dependencies.
I literally said this. Did you read what I wrote?

Other than acts of God (e.g., an earthquake destroyed my/my-supplier's factory, hence the delay). YOU own it because you produce, sell, and support he product. the customer pays YOU. The customers don't pay your suppliers or the certification body.
I literally said this. Did you read what I wrote?

I don't buy your convoluted arguments.
Cool. Luckily I’m not selling them.

I don't think they are in good-faith.
It is straight-up offensive to call me a liar without evidence, but okay, you’re welcome to think that, I guess.

Companies who don't own their products/services through-and-through are destined to fail!
Almost no company owns every piece of the vertically integrated stack. Not even Apple, who rely on manufacturers like Foxconn, various glass manufacturers, and so on. Lucid owns more of the stack than most other car companies, but you’re right that they don’t own Google.

That said, they are responsible for the results of their work with Google, which is what you mean, I think.

Which I completely agree with.

Like I said a bunch of times in the post I wrote above.
 
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I literally said this. Did you read what I wrote?


I literally said this. Did you read what I wrote?


Cool. Luckily I’m not selling them.


It is straight-up offensive to call me a liar without evidence, but okay, you’re welcome to think that, I guess.


Almost no company owns every piece of the vertically integrated stack. Not even Apple, who rely on manufacturers like Foxconn, various glass manufacturers, and so on. Lucid owns more of the stack than most other car companies, but you’re right that they don’t own Google.

That said, they are responsible for the results of their work with Google, which is what you mean, I think.

Which I completely agree with.

Like I said a bunch of times in the post I wrote above.
So, if we actually agree on all the key points about ownership, isn't it incumbent upon Lucid to communicate a plan and timeline and provide updates to its customers? Just agreeing what Lucid owns but Lucid is not doing it says they don't care.

Has that been happening?

What I was responding to is, through many posts and your typical response to the Forum Readers was along the lines of "you don't know all the dependencies Lucid are working with (for example, Google works on priority as to how many users are affected, implying that Lucid's AA owner-base is so small and therefore, not a priority). If true, then AA will never happen! That might just be the reality. If so, LUCID, not Google, should tell us exactly that.

We need to stop making excuses for Lucid. For Lucid to succeed as a business, not just a gee-whiz engineering and design shop, they must rise to the occasion.
 
So, if we actually agree on all the key points about ownership, isn't it incumbent upon Lucid to communicate a plan and timeline and provide updates to its customers? Just agreeing what Lucid owns but Lucid is not doing it says they don't care.

Has that been happening?

What I was responding to is, through many posts and your typical response to the Forum Readers was along the lines of "you don't know all the dependencies Lucid are working with (for example, Google works on priority as to how many users are affected, implying that Lucid's AA owner-base is so small and therefore, not a priority). If true, then AA will never happen! That might just be the reality. If so, LUCID, not Google, should tell us exactly that.

We need to stop making excuses for Lucid. For Lucid to succeed as a business, not just a gee-whiz engineering and design shop, they must rise to the occasion.
I should also point out that you are changing your tune. Last December (2024) , when Lucid failed to launch AA on its platform, Lucid's said they were all done and it is now in Google's hands. Your post echoed Lucid's position. That was not Lucid taking ownership!
 
So, if we actually agree on all the key points about ownership, isn't it incumbent upon Lucid to communicate a plan and timeline and provide updates to its customers? Just agreeing what Lucid owns but Lucid is not doing it says they don't care.
Has that been happening?

I don’t run Lucid. I have already agreed I want more communication, obviously.

What I was responding to is, through many posts and your typical response to the Forum Readers was along the lines of "you don't know all the dependencies Lucid are working with (for example, Google works on priority as to how many users are affected, implying that Lucid's AA owner-base is so small and therefore, not a priority). If true, then AA will never happen! That might just be the reality. If so, LUCID, not Google, should tell us exactly that.
Who said never? And yes, Lucid should communicate more. We are really agreeing hard here, I guess.

We need to stop making excuses for Lucid. For Lucid to succeed as a business, not just a gee-whiz engineering and design shop, they must rise to the occasion.
Again: explanations, not excuses. Please read what I wrote.
 
I should also point out that you are changing your tune. Last December (2024) , when Lucid failed to launch AA on its platform, Lucid's said they were all done and it is now in Google's hands. Your post echoed Lucid's position. That was not Lucid taking ownership!
At the time, that was true. It appears there is now something else going on, maybe, or it got sent back, or maybe it’s still in Google’s hands. I have no idea. I don’t run or work for Lucid. Neither do you.

Because Lucid has not lied before (that we know of), we have no reason to assume they’re lying now.

Things change. Information changes with them. Sometimes you don’t have all the information.

We’re talking in circles here, because you appear not to be reading what I’m writing, so I guess I’m done here. 🤷‍♂️
 
Yes, they really are. The Android app has complete parity with the iOS app today. So, by definition, they are separate issues as the app is a non-issue, and AA still is.


Nobody has said it isn’t a big deal. It sucks.


Incorrect - there is a fourth option, which is that Lucid is telling the truth, and that it has been a painful ordeal for a lot of paperwork, contractual, and/or “waiting on others” reasons, possibly combined with some missteps early on.

You don’t have to believe that, but it’s very clear the company isn’t dishonest or incompetent, which leaves only your assertion of lack of prioritization - that’s certainly possible, but they have stated otherwise multiple times, and given their prior track record of honesty, I see no reason to think they’re lying.

That doesn’t mean it doesn’t suck to not have it.
That again leaves incompetence. Defend it all you want (and you will continue to defend it) It's ridiculous and there is absolutely NO excuse. And you are right...I don't believe your assertion. The fact is...they are losing sales because of their incompetence relative to this issue.
 
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