Why is No One Talking About All of the Improvements to the 2025 GT?!?

[Lucken]

That's what I got with the GT. 80 miles used up 33% of my battery (80% to 47%).

I travel 50 miles round trip to work. Uses 20% of my battery (80% to 60%). Very similar numbers.

I drove it like I stole it and it's cold as hell here, so I don't think the range drop off is too bad. I just thought that it was interesting that the range wasn't really any different between the 2 cars with similar driving characteristics.

Even with different battery capacities, that’s why we need more data points. Like you I remain unconvinced there is a very significant range difference in the 25s, at least as it relates to the heat pump. My BMW i4 with heat pump sustains a greater percentage cold weather loss than my Lucid without a heat pump. Different cars, but still.

I have an open mind, but a couple of anecdotal reports is not a scientific study.

 

[Lucken]

Yea agreed… 3.1 or 3.2 sounds about right. That’s my lifetime average in my Touring works out to about 25% under EPA

I too can get 3.1-3.2 in the cold weather with my 23 Pure.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Even with different battery capacities, that’s why we need more data points. Like you I remain unconvinced there is a very significant range difference in the 25s, at least as it relates to the heat pump. My BMW i4 with heat pump sustains a greater percentage cold weather loss than my Lucid without a heat pump. Different cars, but still.

I have an open mind, but a couple of anecdotal reports is not a scientific study.

@Lucken, I just finished three weeks in a loaner 2022 AGT and covered 650 miles. I have 1300 miles on my 2025 AGT. Same driver, same driving habits, same weather. Overall average was 3.18 mi/kWh on the 2022 and is 3.78 mi/kWh on the 2025.

I am 100% certain that the 2025’s are more efficient. I too would love a scientific study, but I trust myself to understand electric cars, my driving style and the conditions I covered in these two cars enough that there is no question in my mind that the 2025 cars are significantly more efficient. Whether that’s 10% or the greater than 20% I have personally experienced? Who knows, but it IS significant. And, when you add the greater than 5% increase in battery capacity for the 2025 AGT vs earlier models? Well, I personally can get almost 25% more cold weather range out of a 2025 AGT than a 2022 AGT. I don’t need a scientific study to be certain of it…I’ve done it.

 

[Lucken]

@Lucken, I just finished three weeks in a loaner 2022 AGT and covered 650 miles. I have 1300 miles on my 2025 AGT. Same driver, same driving habits, same weather. Overall average was 3.18 mi/kWh on the 2022 and is 3.78 mi/kWh on the 2025.

I am 100% certain that the 2025’s are more efficient. I too would love a scientific study, but I trust myself to understand electric cars, my driving style and the conditions I covered in these two cars enough that there is no question in my mind that the 2025 cars are significantly more efficient. Whether that’s 10% or the greater than 20% I have personally experienced? Who knows, but it IS significant. And, when you add the greater than 5% increase in battery capacity for the 2025 AGT vs earlier models? Well, I personally can get almost 25% more cold weather range out of a 2025 AGT than a 2022 AGT. I don’t need a scientific study to be certain of it…I’ve done it.

I don't doubt your experience, I'm just looking to find controlled, scientific tests.

 

[Knucklehead]

I don't doubt your experience, I'm just looking to find controlled, scientific tests.

Maybe the most "scientific" are the OOS 70 mph range tests. The 2025 Air did considerably better than previous Airs.

 

[momo3605]

Maybe the most "scientific" are the OOS 70 mph range tests. The 2025 Air did considerably better than previous Airs.

That’s a good test. But I don’t think it has anything to do with the heat pump, the bigger difference is the 118kwh battery and chemistry. InsideEV and Edmunds both got 500 miles at 70mph on their Lucid Air Dream Editions. And those cars don’t have heat pumps. Extra 6kwh alone is worth ~25 miles

 

[JoshG]

The title of this thread implies that all these neat changes are only for the Grand Touring at this point? Does anyone know if they're now being implemented on Touring and/or Pure?

 

[Knucklehead]

That’s a good test. But I don’t think it has anything to do with the heat pump, the bigger difference is the 118kwh battery and chemistry. InsideEV and Edmunds both got 500 miles at 70mph on their Lucid Air Dream Editions. And those cars don’t have heat pumps. Extra 6kwh alone is worth ~25 miles

It is hard to know the reason for the better efficiency, but OOS does set the climate control at 68-72 degrees, so heating/cooling is being used during the test. So if the heat pump is more efficient, it will be a contributor to the better results.

 

[bmathieu]

While some knowledgeable people on the forum insist otherwise, I just have to believe that our Airs either have an eSIM or a physical SIM in a location that is easy to get to. I would swap out AT&T for one of my T-Mobile lines, if I could. I have to believe that plenty of people have one carrier that works better for them than all the others, and would consider swapping out if it was not AT&T.

100%. The Air uses AT&T which doesn’t work where I live.

 

[JoshG]

Can anyone report on if that new CPU for the display improves the wait time you sometimes get for the surround camera view? On my '24 Air, if I jump in and immediately put the car in Reverse, there's a delay while it loads the camera view.

 

[skndrni]

I too can get 3.1-3.2 in the cold weather with my 23 Pure.

You guys are the best. Made me feel better about 3.39 lifetime. And I thought *I* was doing something wrong. Then again, you’re having 9% more fun

 

[WildRide47]

@Lucken, I just finished three weeks in a loaner 2022 AGT and covered 650 miles. I have 1300 miles on my 2025 AGT. Same driver, same driving habits, same weather. Overall average was 3.18 mi/kWh on the 2022 and is 3.78 mi/kWh on the 2025.

I am 100% certain that the 2025’s are more efficient. I too would love a scientific study, but I trust myself to understand electric cars, my driving style and the conditions I covered in these two cars enough that there is no question in my mind that the 2025 cars are significantly more efficient. Whether that’s 10% or the greater than 20% I have personally experienced? Who knows, but it IS significant. And, when you add the greater than 5% increase in battery capacity for the 2025 AGT vs earlier models? Well, I personally can get almost 25% more cold weather range out of a 2025 AGT than a 2022 AGT. I don’t need a scientific study to be certain of it…I’ve done it.

Just curious. Since the 2025 Air GT has a 5% larger battery,(118KW vs 112KW) how come the horsepower and torque figures remain unchanged vs 2022 Air GT. I would think there would be a corresponding increase of at least a few percent?

 

[Adnillien]

Just curious. Since the 2025 Air GT has a 5% larger battery,(118KW vs 112KW) how come the horsepower and torque figures remain unchanged vs 2022 Air GT. I would think there would be a corresponding increase of at least a few percent?

There was no change to the battery voltage or the current limits so the output power did not change.

 

[WildRide47]

There was no change to the battery voltage or the current limits so the output power did not change.

Since the stated range is unchanged, then why enlarge the battery which adds more weight to the car.

 

[Domo35]

Since the stated range is unchanged, then why enlarge the battery which adds more weight to the car.

Different battery chemistry that was more energy dense for the same physical size battery pack, led to the increase battery capacity for 2025

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Since the stated range is unchanged, then why enlarge the battery which adds more weight to the car.

The range is significantly different (than 2024's and earlier). The EPA changed the testing standards and the 2025's are the first models tested under the new, stricter standards. There were also numerous changes made to the cars themselves beginning with the 2025 model years that resulted in more efficiency. So, on paper, it looks like the 2025's have bigger batteries but no more range, HOWEVER, the 2025's actually can get their EPA range fairly easily. I am up to 4.11 mi / kwH lifetime on AGT over almost 4000 miles and I took delivery 12/15/24 -- my average range gets better every day with warmer weather and I am now routinely doing drives where I am well north of EPA. I am unaware of anyone who routinely averages EPA, or better, in cars from 2024 and earlier.

Now, one can debate all they want about the wisdom (or lack thereof) of driving a car with 800+ horsepower for range, but that's a whole other story and I personally take great pleasure in being able to do both!

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Can anyone report on if that new CPU for the display improves the wait time you sometimes get for the surround camera view? On my '24 Air, if I jump in and immediately put the car in Reverse, there's a delay while it loads the camera view.

Yes it does!