Getting very low mileage

[joec]

My Model 3 rarely got better than 3.2 miles per kWh in real world driving, even in warmer weather. My Touring is currently getting 3.2 in the dead of winter. So I do expect it to get up in the higher 3s come spring. Likely around 3.8. I'm sure I could get over 4, but only if I were careful to keep speed down, limit elevation changes, etc. And only on extended highway driving, which is the only time it matters, since I never drive over 300 miles in a single day in the city.

 

[LowOnCash]

Hey Guys - Yes short trips conserve range, here's our daily trip average around 32 miles in the 40 degree temperature, what's strange is our BMW I4 rarely sees 3.7 on the same exact trip.

On other matters - I'm presently considering a Lucid which is why I joined the forum. I joined this tread only because an owner was misinformed the Lucid battery would condition itself on every trip which of course ot does not so I joined the conversation. Considering that Lucid is a new entry to EV's, I would think this forum would welcome other EV owners regardless of what they drive to help provide useful information that is vital to not only Lucid but all EV's. I'm a member of nearly every EV forum and a member of the BMW forum since 2014 and we always welcome users with other model EV's, we learn from each other. In fact there are many Lucid owners on the BMW forums. Keep in mind, we're all one EV community - Regards - Mike

 

[HariK]

I'm not sure what safety sensors you refer to. I have no complaints about any safety sensor issues with my X

I love efficiency, and a major draw for me to Lucid. That is why I compare vs what I currently drive. I would expect real world efficiency to be 4+mi/kwh otherwise it would be a disappointment to me.

Safety sensors in Lucid Ultrasonic sensors for parking, 2 front and 2 rear facing radars and 1 front facing Lidar which cannot be compensated with software cameras alone. And there are 16 cemeras.

 

[stratus]

thank you for your honesty, others have pointed to like Toms drive with the dream and how it achieved 4+. It seems real world it is not the case

In steady driving on highway, certainly achievable. Stop and go , town and city, I think very difficult. Even with that, I have not had any logistical issues with my reduced efficiency in these conditions. For longer trips I know it will be satisfactory. For in town , I never think twice , as I can always plug in when I get home.

Your decision really depends on where you live, what your weather conditions are and what your mix of driving is. If you’re doing a lot of trips was fairly steady driving , you will be very happy. I even think you’ll be satisfied if you do a mix of city and Highway driving , as the joy of driving the car outweighs any potential reduction in efficiency you might experience. It really is a fun car to drive and I would wholeheartedly recommended it.

 

[cwang089]

Safety sensors in Lucid Ultrasonic sensors for parking, 2 front and 2 rear facing radars and 1 front facing Lidar which cannot be compensated with software cameras alone. And there are 16 cemeras.

My '22 X has ultrasonics, and it lane keeps just fine. If I went for Lucid, I would actually expect that portion to be a downgrade from a Tesla but hopefully with an upgrade in terms of legroom, comfort, and efficiency. But in terms of tech and AP ability, Tesla is way head.

But from real world experience it doesn't even seem efficiency is that much better and probably worse in cold weather. Tesla's with heat pumps and latest octovalve only have about a 16% drop in range vs cars with resistance heating can be >50% depending on how cold it is.

 

[cwang089]

In steady driving on highway, certainly achievable. Stop and go , town and city, I think very difficult. Even with that, I have not had any logistical issues with my reduced efficiency in these conditions. For longer trips I know it will be satisfactory. For in town , I never think twice , as I can always plug in when I get home.

Your decision really depends on where you live, what your weather conditions are and what your mix of driving is. If you’re doing a lot of trips was fairly steady driving , you will be very happy. I even think you’ll be satisfied if you do a mix of city and Highway driving , as the joy of driving the car outweighs any potential reduction in efficiency you might experience. It really is a fun car to drive and I would wholeheartedly recommended it.

its not really an issue for my daily driving. It would be for my road trips which I take every couple months. My other car will prob be a R1S but that thing is way worse in efficiency so would not be a good candidate for road trips and it charges slow. So it is a choice where I would have to keep my X and then switch out a Y for either a Lucid or Rivian

 

[stratus]

its not really an issue for my daily driving. It would be for my road trips which I take every couple months. My other car will prob be a R1S but that thing is way worse in efficiency so would not be a good candidate for road trips and it charges slow. So it is a choice where I would have to keep my X and then switch out a Y for either a Lucid or Rivian

You are looking at a sweet spot with road trips, in my opinion. And if you are in a place with an adequate charging network , I think you’ll be happy.

 

[victoryroad]

Team Lucid

My car is giving just 50% of expected mileage. I am very disappointed. I am sure it gives low depending on driving etc. but getting just 50% is too low. I called them up and they are saying driving style brake terrain etc. but I am just driving normally.. any settings that you guys can share… I have full degeneration setting…

My AGT mileage improved from 2.7 to 3.2 on a 75-mile return from the service center mostly at 65 mph in 35-40 degree weather by keeping the HVAC in AUTO, per a suggestion from my service manager. I am on 19' wheels and winter compound tires are always carefully set to spec. Aside from the auto HVAC setting and checking your tire pressure regularly, you might try to experiment with the HVAC off when ambient temperatures increase. It may restore your confidence in the range. The seat heaters and steering wheel heaters run off the 12V battery so they may make cold weather driving more pleasant without having to run the cabin temperature at 75 or more.

I should add that in the warmer months, I got 3.6 miles/kWh over about 3,000 miles in the hilly terrain of NH and VT before learning about the HVAC auto setting advantage.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

The Lucid GT will go further on a charge than any other vehicle, I think that’s the main point. It’s a heavy car with more HP instantly available than other cars mentioned in this thread, so no one should be surprised if daily stop/go driving yields similar or worse efficiency to BMW iWhatever. I think range isn’t the main comparing point between the two cars, although I’m sure the BMW is fine.

Hey Guys - Yes short trips conserve range, here's our daily trip average around 32 miles in the 40 degree temperature, what's strange is our BMW I4 rarely sees 3.7 on the same exact trip.

On other matters - I'm presently considering a Lucid which is why I joined the forum. I joined this tread only because an owner was misinformed the Lucid battery would condition itself on every trip which of course ot does not so I joined the conversation. Considering that Lucid is a new entry to EV's, I would think this forum would welcome other EV owners regardless of what they drive to help provide useful information that is vital to not only Lucid but all EV's. I'm a member of nearly every EV forum and a member of the BMW forum since 2014 and we always welcome users with other model EV's, we learn from each other. In fact there are many Lucid owners on the BMW forums. Keep in mind, we're all one EV community - Regards - Mike

For reference here’s a pic of my AirGT efficiency after a trip from Providence RI to Boston Logan airport, about the same distance your BMW drove.

 

[LowOnCash]

The Lucid GT will go further on a charge than any other vehicle, I think that’s the main point. It’s a heavy car with more HP instantly available than other cars mentioned in this thread, so no one should be surprised if daily stop/go driving yields similar or worse efficiency to BMW Whatever. I think range isn’t the main comparing point between the two cars, although I’m sure the BMW is fine.

For reference here’s a pic of my AirGT efficiency after a trip from Providence RI to Boston Logan airport, about the same distance your BMW drove.

Thanks for the reply - Looks good, since you were around an airport I assume it was stop and go traffic why you ended up in the 4's. Most of my friends who have a Lucid are averaging the low 3’s or 2’s with normal driving.

If your looking for an EV with range my wife’s RWD EV-6 is almost impossible to beat, I shot this sitting in the car on our daily trip to town in 30-40 degree weather,

Regards - Thanks

 

[xponents]

Thanks for the reply - Looks good, since you were around an airport I assume it was stop and go traffic why you ended up in the 4's. Most of my friends who have a Lucid are averaging the low 3’s or 2’s with normal driving.

If your looking for an EV with range my wife’s RWD EV-6 is almost impossible to beat, I shot this sitting in the car on our daily trip to town in 30-40 degree weather,

Regards - Thanks

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WHAT??

 

[Bobby]

Thanks for the reply - Looks good, since you were around an airport I assume it was stop and go traffic why you ended up in the 4's. Most of my friends who have a Lucid are averaging the low 3’s or 2’s with normal driving.

If your looking for an EV with range my wife’s RWD EV-6 is almost impossible to beat, I shot this sitting in the car on our daily trip to town in 30-40 degree weather,

Regards - Thanks

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1. sample size of 10 miles is too small to draw conclusions.
2. EV6 is a nice car but a different class than the Lucid. The Kia is an economy car, the Lucid a luxury car.

 

[borski]

Thanks for the reply - Looks good, since you were around an airport I assume it was stop and go traffic why you ended up in the 4's. Most of my friends who have a Lucid are averaging the low 3’s or 2’s with normal driving.

If your looking for an EV with range my wife’s RWD EV-6 is almost impossible to beat, I shot this sitting in the car on our daily trip to town in 30-40 degree weather,

Regards - Thanks

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I, too, can find a downhill 11 mile trip and get ~infinite mi/kWh

(Ps I like the EV6, though I prefer her prettier sister, the Ioniq 5 and it’ll be my second car when I can find one without markups. But neither compares at all to a Lucid Air in basically any way; when the EV6 hands out 900 horsepower and lots of luxury, then we can chat comparisons)

 

[LowOnCash]

I, too, can find a downhill 11 mile trip and get ~infinite mi/kWh

(Ps I like the EV6, though I prefer her prettier sister, the Ioniq 5 and it’ll be my second car when I can find one without markups. But neither compares at all to a Lucid Air in basically any way; when the EV6 hands out 900 horsepower and lots of luxury, then we can chat comparisons)

Thanks for the replies - It was hard deciding between the I5 and EV6, they are both great cars. I only put the clip up just to show short trips result in higher range. I replicate this trip almost every day, its totally flat and we drive non-stop 40 mph the speed limit. This car averages 4-4.5 even at 70+ mph highway speeds. No one is comparing the EV-6 to a Lucid costing three time the price.

There are hundreds of posts from guys who drive the car conservatively and struggle to achieve 3 miles. The image below a Lucid with average winter driving. Note this km not miles. The 1434 km trip or 891 miles she averaged only 2.3 miles. While the Lucid can achieve 4 miles, in most cases she averages half that amount. There is nothing mysterious about this: Heavy built luxury cars with big batteries and high hp motors, equals less range.

Regards - Mike

 

[Bobby]

I, too, can find a downhill 11 mile trip and get ~infinite mi/kWh

(Ps I like the EV6, though I prefer her prettier sister, the Ioniq 5 and it’ll be my second car when I can find one without markups. But neither compares at all to a Lucid Air in basically any way; when the EV6 hands out 900 horsepower and lots of luxury, then we can chat comparisons)

 

[xponents]

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My apologies if I am misinformed, but wasnt that a glitch? If its real, then yeah short trips always have better mi/kwh.

 

[Lucken]

1. sample size of 10 miles is too small to draw conclusions.
2. EV6 is a nice car but a different class than the Lucid. The Kia is an economy car, the Lucid a luxury car.

Not sure how many shoppers would call a $52,000 EV (about the cheapest EV6 you can buy) an economy car.

@borski-It's funny about tastes, I find the EV6 a far more attractive car than the Ioniq 5. That's what makes horse racing.

 

[stratus]

Thanks for the replies - It was hard deciding between the I5 and EV6, they are both great cars. I only put the clip up just to show short trips result in higher range. I replicate this trip almost every day, its totally flat and we drive non-stop 40 mph the speed limit. This car averages 4-4.5 even at 70+ mph highway speeds. No one is comparing the EV-6 to a Lucid costing three time the price.

There are hundreds of posts from guys who drive the car conservatively and struggle to achieve 3 miles. The image below a Lucid with average winter driving. Note this km not miles. The 1434 km trip or 891 miles she averaged only 2.3 miles. While the Lucid can achieve 4 miles, in most cases she averages half that amount. There is nothing mysterious about this: Heavy built luxury cars with big batteries and high hp motors, equals less range.

Regards - Mike

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The winter miles per kilowatt hour reduction can be quite severe; I have experienced this on a daily basis. Over approximately the last month now, but in mainly stop and go driving with some longer stretches in town. I average a consistent 2.5 to 2.6 mi./ kWh, without exception, driving in snow, and temperatures well below freezing. That being said, I am not at all disappointed in this and expected it. Additionally, if you are in a situation where you can just plug your car in at home and not have to worry about the longest range possible , the only negative is that you are losing a bit more energy than you anticipated to charge the car.
There was a stretch here where it was well below zero for several days and I still manage to average 2.5 miles/ kWh which I thought was pretty fantastic. Even with significantly winter cold, I can manage over 3 mi/kilowatt hour on longer stretches. My colleagues who have Teslas lament about the exact same reduction in winter efficiency, especially with in town driving. As many have mentioned the weight of the car really hinders its efficiency in stop and go driving because it takes so much energy to move this mass.
I take comfort in knowing that when I want to take a longer trip, the car gets remarkable efficiency on a consistent basis, regardless of the temperature. Just slightly above three in the winter on long stretches and consistently in the upper threes to low fours. In most cases the lucid does not get half its range, that typically happens with certain conditions as mentioned above.

PS: love the EV6

 

[Bobby]

My apologies if I am misinformed, but wasnt that a glitch? If its real, then yeah short trips always have better mi/kwh.

I was going down a hill.

 

[xponents]

I was going down a hill.

Oh, alright. How big of a slope was it?