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I just want to install my LHCS, but I'm not going to do that until Lucid announces how everything is going to work, and whether we need additional equipment. I don't want to have my electrician come to my house twice if I can avoid it.
 
L-Dude said:
I just want to install my LHCS, but I'm not going to do that until Lucid announces how everything is going to work, and whether we need additional equipment. I don't want to have my electrician come to my house twice if I can avoid it.
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Exactly!
 
Lucid should do this ASAP. Note that its a standard feature.

"The Genesis Electrified GV70 (EV) is equipped with a Vehicle-to-Load (V2L) system as a standard feature.
This system allows you to use the car's high-voltage battery to power external electrical devices and appliances. Key details of the system include:
  • Dual Power Outlets:
    • Indoor: A standard 110-volt (or region-specific 3-pin) outlet is located inside the vehicle, typically in the second row or luggage area, for charging smaller electronics like laptops.
    • Outdoor: An exterior V2L connector can be plugged into the charging port (located behind the front grille) to power larger equipment such as camping gear, electric grills, or coffee machines.
  • Power Output: The system supports a maximum power output of approximately 3.6kW.
  • Battery Management: To ensure you are not left stranded, you can set a discharge limit (typically between 20% and 100%) through the infotainment system. Once the battery hits this predefined level, the V2L system will automatically shut off."
 
Steve181 said:
Lucid should do this ASAP. Note that its a standard feature.

"The Genesis Electrified GV70 (EV) is equipped with a Vehicle-to-Load (V2L) system as a standard feature.
This system allows you to use the car's high-voltage battery to power external electrical devices and appliances. Key details of the system include:
  • Dual Power Outlets:
    • Indoor: A standard 110-volt (or region-specific 3-pin) outlet is located inside the vehicle, typically in the second row or luggage area, for charging smaller electronics like laptops.
    • Outdoor: An exterior V2L connector can be plugged into the charging port (located behind the front grille) to power larger equipment such as camping gear, electric grills, or coffee machines.
  • Power Output: The system supports a maximum power output of approximately 3.6kW.
  • Battery Management: To ensure you are not left stranded, you can set a discharge limit (typically between 20% and 100%) through the infotainment system. Once the battery hits this predefined level, the V2L system will automatically shut off."
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Well.... The Gravity also has this if you opted for the power outlets. The outlets power on my 1800 watt Coffee Machine
 
Steve181 said:
Lucid should do this ASAP. Note that its a standard feature.

"The Genesis Electrified GV70 (EV) is equipped with a Vehicle-to-Load (V2L) system as a standard feature.
This system allows you to use the car's high-voltage battery to power external electrical devices and appliances. Key details of the system include:
  • Dual Power Outlets:
    • Indoor: A standard 110-volt (or region-specific 3-pin) outlet is located inside the vehicle, typically in the second row or luggage area, for charging smaller electronics like laptops.
    • Outdoor: An exterior V2L connector can be plugged into the charging port (located behind the front grille) to power larger equipment such as camping gear, electric grills, or coffee machines.
  • Power Output: The system supports a maximum power output of approximately 3.6kW.
  • Battery Management: To ensure you are not left stranded, you can set a discharge limit (typically between 20% and 100%) through the infotainment system. Once the battery hits this predefined level, the V2L system will automatically shut off."
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HC_79 said:
Well.... The Gravity also has this if you opted for the power outlets. The outlets power on my 1800 watt Coffee Machine
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Yeah, Gravity can do all of this. Even without the power outlets, you can also charge other EVs at a rate up to like 10kw by purchasing the Range Xchange cable from the Lucid store for the Gravity.
 
HC_79 said:
Well.... The Gravity also has this if you opted for the power outlets. The outlets power on my 1800 watt Coffee Machine
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Exactly! 1800w/plug with power or tech package for a total of 5.4kw draw, have wondered if anyone has pushed it to see if everything works as it is supposed to with that much draw on all 3 plugs simultaneously?
 
HC_79 said:
Well.... The Gravity also has this if you opted for the power outlets. The outlets power on my 1800 watt Coffee Machine
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And what could be more important than that in the event of an outage! ;)
 
If one lives in an area with lots of blackout, V2H makes sense (although a separate generator might make more sense). If one very rarely has blackouts, then V2H might be excessive as it is expensive to automate the switch between power sources. V2L is a decent compromise to let one keep refrigerators going, etc. without the expense of automating the power delivery systems at a much lower cost (maybe a long extension cord).
 
Steveinarizona said:
If one lives in an area with lots of blackout, V2H makes sense (although a separate generator might make more sense). If one very rarely has blackouts, then V2H might be excessive as it is expensive to automate the switch between power sources. V2L is a decent compromise to let one keep refrigerators going, etc. without the expense of automating the power delivery systems at a much lower cost (maybe a long extension cord).
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Exactly!!!
 
Steve181 said:
Lucid's approved coffee blend is Robusto!
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Steveinarizona said:
If one lives in an area with lots of blackout, V2H makes sense (although a separate generator might make more sense). If one very rarely has blackouts, then V2H might be excessive as it is expensive to automate the switch between power sources. V2L is a decent compromise to let one keep refrigerators going, etc. without the expense of automating the power delivery systems at a much lower cost (maybe a long extension cord).
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I think if you have frequent blackouts, a generator makes more sense. But for those that already have solar power without battery backup, one could easily integrate it with a home charging system at the time of installation. So this is the equivalent of a 90kWh back up battery at no additional cost. A 13.5kWh powerwall is $8000, so I'm sure you can see why many of us are anxious for Lucid to make good on a 3+ year promise.
 
scal_air said:
I think if you have frequent blackouts, a generator makes more sense. But for those that already have solar power without battery backup, one could easily integrate it with a home charging system at the time of installation. So this is the equivalent of a 90kWh back up battery at no additional cost. A 13.5kWh powerwall is $8000, so I'm sure you can see why many of us are anxious for Lucid to make good on a 3+ year promise.
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Assuming Lucid eventually makes good... Between such high powerwall pricing and such high EV depreciation, it won't be long before it'll make good economic sense for us to cancel our car insurance on Old Doris, park her under a tarp behind the garage, run her V2H CCS cable through a hole in the wall, connect it to a spare LHCS, and Voila!... I've got one big ass mobile powerwall. Then, if she should become a classic at any time in the future, I'll just get her back on the road. They'll probably have Mr. Fusion selling on Amazon by then.
 
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Cosmo Cruz said:
Charged up to 92%.
ice storm due here in few hours.
We can camp in the Lucid for a few days with heat, light, entertainment/coms.
Vehicle into a home.
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Questions to you (and others who used a similar strategy for potential power loss) from Virginia where we didn't lose power, but had overnight temps in the low teens to 20's for most nights after the storm:

I've read that a high SOC (above 80%) should be avoided for a prolonged period of time when temps are below freezing. Lucid uses the extremes of -4F and 113F for over 24 hrs. of exposure.
  • I suppose you were willing to risk the 92% SOC for the sake of available power? How'd you to pick 92%?
  • If power wasn't lost until a day or so after the storm and the temps dropped below freezing (into the teens) prior to the power loss, your hope would have been that the short time at 92% in low temps before power loss wasn't long enough to damage the battery?
  • If you didn't need to use the Lucid, did you discharge the battery down from 92% to at least 80% either from driving or some other usage?
  • IMO, the use of V2H as a power loss solution during winter temp extremes is more likely than summer extremes. Power loss may occur during a hurricane, but extreme heat is unlikely to occur following the event. How do you see V2H as a viable solution for power loss accompanied by winter temp extremes?
 
Rarely gets below freezing here. Car is kept in my garage so some protection from the cold. We have power outages here all year round; primarily resulting from high winds (fire danger in Spring/Summer/Fall) and cars hitting poles, power substation fires (happened just a month ago). and other whimsical PG&E decisions.
 
Steveinarizona said:
If one lives in an area with lots of blackout, V2H makes sense (although a separate generator might make more sense). If one very rarely has blackouts, then V2H might be excessive as it is expensive to automate the switch between power sources. V2L is a decent compromise to let one keep refrigerators going, etc. without the expense of automating the power delivery systems at a much lower cost (maybe a long extension cord).
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I'd be happy with V2L using the NACS power connector to a 240V receptacle (similar to RangeXchange). One key thing I they should include is the ability to select floating or bonded neutral. If you plug in a coffee machine (or RV) into the connector, the neutral and ground should be bonded. If you're connecting the 240V receptacle to a power inlet to the house (e.g., interlock or transfer switch), then it needs to be a floating neutral. I have a FranklinWH battery, and if I had a Ford Lightning, I'd need to sever the ground somewhere to get the system to work. Adding a bond isn't a huge deal, but removing one seems dicey.

I'm curious if RangeXchange could be modified to support generic 240V loads, even though it explicitly states it's only for car charging. Would huge swings in current draws cause a problem?
 
Steve181 said:
Thank you HC for finding that, but the bag is hard to open!!
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You need to enter your pin, shake your fob and hope the bag doesn't need mobile service to replace the opening device....
 
scal_air said:
A 13.5kWh powerwall is $8000,
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Huh, I had no idea they (powerwalls) were that expensive.

Might make more sense to buy a bunch of MY2022 Airs to use as back- up = they have depreciated enough to repurpose the batteries.
I Air GT = 8 powerwalls. The math is pretty close. You can get a nice GT for $64k.
 
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