Angry Tesla customers sue firm over “grossly” exaggerated EV range
Three Tesla drivers launch class action, alleging fraud and false advertising.
arstechnica.com
These anecdotes and references are crazy.. So glad I have the Lucid
So glad I have the Lucid
Tom on his state of charge you tube channel goes over this. He tested a 516 miles Lucid and got 500 miles. In Tesla a 417 model S got him 375 miles. If you’re concerned about mileage then use % of battery used. It more accurate then the estimate mileage left. Tom explains all this on his channel state of charge.Lucid had a choice to make regarding how it publicized its range: use the 5-cycle EPA protocol that Tesla uses, or use the 2-cycle protocol that some German manufacturers use and that produces a more accurate estimate of road trip range.
Our Lucid Dream Performance gets about 78% of its 451-mile EPA range (21" wheels) in steady-state 80mph driving in temperate-hot weather. This yields about 351 miles of real-world range on road trips. This almost exactly matches the 348-mile EPA rating of our Tesla Model S Plaid (21" wheels) in the same conditions. The Tesla gets about 73% of its rated range in the same driving conditions, resulting in a real-world range of 254 miles.
Lucid was confronted with a marketing choice, and let's get real here. No matter how much Rawlinson talked about having German luxury sedans in Lucid's sights, he and everyone else knew that Lucid would instantly and endlessly be compared to Tesla's large sedan.
So the choice was (1) beat Tesla in advertised range by using the same testing protocol or (2) use the more-accurate 2-cycle protocol and beat Tesla by actually attaining the Lucid's advertised range in real-world road tripping.
Lucid chose to fluff their numbers the same way Tesla did. As a Lucid car owner, I'm not happy they did. As a Lucid stockholder, I sympathize with their choice.
At the end of the day, we can get farther on a single charge on a road trip in our Lucid than in any other similarly-sized EV by at least a 100 miles -- in a car this is more powerful than all but one and better than all in the balance of ride, handling, and comfort.
Tom on his state of charge you tube channel goes over this. He tested a 516 miles Lucid and got 500 miles. In Tesla a 417 model S got him 375 miles. If you’re concerned about mileage then use % of battery used. It more accurate then the estimate mileage left. Tom explains all this on his channel state of charge.
Tom on his state of charge you tube channel goes over this. He tested a 516 miles Lucid and got 500 miles. In Tesla a 417 model S got him 375 miles. If you’re concerned about mileage then use % of battery used. It more accurate then the estimate mileage left. Tom explains all this on his channel state of charge.
If I can reasonably believe that a Lucid will get my farther than a Tesla . . . .
And that's exactly why you should expect high speed highway driving to fall short of EPA estimates, which factor that it with higher ranges of local street driving. Indeed, the more efficient the car is at lower speeds, the less the EPA rating would be accurate for highway speeds. If you take out the part that boosts the average, you get less than average.Electric powertrain has opposite effect as ICE. In ICE, you get better mileage when you drive in highway speed; in EV, it is exactly the opposite. I just wish EPA would standardize range test for every auto maker and TEST RANGE THEMSELVES, so we won’t get misrepresented by this huge discrepancy gap. School teachers don’t give students answers and let everyone grade quizzes themselves right? That fully trust automakers to test range themselves simply defeat the purpose.
BMW has always sandbagged its HP and torque and I suspect it is doing the same thing for its EVs. Its ICE cars typically deliver the listed HP at the wheels which is unlikely unless one is sandbagging. I think it is a smart approach as it makes the customer believe he's achieving something and prevents folks from complaining that the car didn't meet specs.Porsche Taycan, MB EQS and BMW EVs can beat EPA while I see the best I did on AGT 21” 469mi range, I get 395mi on ~60mph test (85%). Rivian R1S, it is suppose be 2.14mi/kWh EPA, I can drive freeway get 1.6~2.1mi/kWh w AC on or 2.1~2.6 mi/kWh on slow congested city streets @ 30mph.
Off topic, but this actually does happen nowadays(to review answers and go over the work).School teachers don’t give students answers and let everyone grade quizzes themselves right?
It would be for me. Speed limits here are 65, with traffic moving 70 when there's no congestion. If I go to Los Angeles from the Bay Area, there's a long section in the middle where it goes up to 70. So it's about 75 except for trucks, or heavy traffic so that both lanes in sections like that get jammed up, or a passing truck slows everything down.An efficiency test at 80mph would be mostly irrelevant for the territory I just traveled.
There's a big difference between the car not quite getting its EPA range and what Tesla has done in this case. They went out of their way to lie to their customers, both with their algorithms for calculating range, and with customer support deflecting the issue. I remember when Model 3 suddenly got a "bump" in its advertised range, though nothing had changed. They claimed software had made the car more efficient. But all the software did was further obfuscate the car's actual efficiency with some clever math.None of these ev’s reach the stated range, even Lucid.
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/lucid-air-grand-touring-only-gets-425-438-miles-range.26650/
Unrealistic range by Lucid
www.lucid-forum.com
I don't know about that. When they did that, some people saw their rated range increase by a fair amount, but mine increased by a few miles. It wasn't just a blanket increase. If anything, I would have complained that my rated range didn't increase by the amount that Musk said, but I was entitled only what I paid for. I did manage to get around rated range with my Model 3, which is mostly my wife's driving. Over time, mostly with the car sitting in the garage with an 80% doing nothing because of Covid-19, the range dropped substantially for no reason, so it's still getting around the range that the car claims to have.There's a big difference between the car not quite getting its EPA range and what Tesla has done in this case. They went out of their way to lie to their customers, both with their algorithms for calculating range, and with customer support deflecting the issue. I remember when Model 3 suddenly got a "bump" in its advertised range, though nothing had changed. They claimed software had made the car more efficient. But all the software did was further obfuscate the car's actual efficiency with some clever math.
There's a big difference between the car not quite getting its EPA range and what Tesla has done in this case. They went out of their way to lie to their customers, both with their algorithms for calculating range, and with customer support deflecting the issue. I remember when Model 3 suddenly got a "bump" in its advertised range, though nothing had changed. They claimed software had made the car more efficient. But all the software did was further obfuscate the car's actual efficiency with some clever math.