Recall for Floormats…Unintended Acceleration

[fisheral]

Is this real?

 

[Pragmatic]

Yes it is

https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls?nhtsaId=25E021000

 

[kort6776]

while there have been many claims about many vehicles doing this I don't believe that a real problem has ever been proven

 

[Pragmatic]

Not sure why anyone would sell mats that are not fixed in place. Toyota paid over a billion dollars in fines and settled lawsuits for an additional billion dollars. All of this happened 15 years ago and was well reported.

Regardless of the real issues, unsecured mats have been verboten for over a decade.

 

[segbrk]

Yes it is

https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls?nhtsaId=25E021000

So it’s not a car recall, but a floor mat recall?

 

[Pragmatic]

Floor mats supplied by Lucid, Lucid is responsible for fix.

 

[segbrk]

Floor mats supplied by Lucid, Lucid is responsible for fix.

Sure, understood, just making sure that’s the same thing as the original post that some number of cars are being recalled vs a separate accessory.

 

[AirDoll]

It’s just for the all weather floor mats purchased from the Lucid store without the anchors, not the ones that come with the car. Seems odd that the recall says “vehicles”. Very misleading.

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

while there have been many claims about many vehicles doing this I don't believe that a real problem has ever been proven

Had a 1987 Audi 5000 cs turbo that gave me a thrill going to max throttle as I approached a red light. Brakes barely stopped me (had to turn ignition off) in the middle of the intersection. Loved the car.... will never buy an audi again. Wasn't the floor mat. Audi had a problem with unintended acceleration issues but kept it all on the down-low.

So yes I am glad to see the floor mat problem raised awareness here.

 

[borski]

It’s just for the all weather floor mats purchased from the Lucid store without the anchors, not the ones that come with the car. Seems odd that the recall says “vehicles”. Very misleading.
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None of the original vehicles had anchors either, unless you count the Velcro.

 

[pyle112]

I have noticed mine do not stay in place and I'm always moving them back. Woohoo new mats!

 

[borski]

Not sure why anyone would sell mats that are not fixed in place. Toyota paid over a billion dollars in fines and settled lawsuits for an additional billion dollars. All of this happened 15 years ago and was well reported.

Regardless of the real issues, unsecured mats have been verboten for over a decade.

It’s still amazing to me that nobody remembers the Toyota thing was mass hysteria, and not an actual issue. They paid it out and settled because it was easier than taking more bad PR, but, those issue were almost entirely pedal misapplication; i.e. people hitting the accelerator when they meant to hit the brake.

Malcolm Gladwell did a great podcast on it:

Or if you’d prefer a car and driver article: https://www.caranddriver.com/featur...oyotas-unintended-acceleration-scare-feature/

The same exact thing happened with Audis in the 80s, which people will swear up and down were accelerating without warning, but… they weren’t. People were hitting the accelerator instead of the brake. NHTSA later determined all complaints to be due to driver error.

Re: Toyota; In February 2011, the findings of a 10-month-long study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), aimed to identify the main cause of sudden acceleration in Toyota and Lexus models. The study was requested by the U.S. Congress and "enlisted NASA engineers with expertise in areas such as computer-controlled electronic systems, electromagnetic interference, and software integrity". The most common problem was drivers hitting the accelerator pedal when they thought they were hitting the brake, which the NHTSA called "pedal misapplication." Of the 58 cases reported, 18 were dismissed out of hand. Of the remaining 40, 39 of them were found to have no cause; the remainder being an instance of "pedal entrapment." One investigator says most of the cases involved "pedal misapplication" – that is, "the driver stepped on the gas rather than the brake or in addition to the brake."

So yeah; re-educate your friends. People make dumb choices when they are panicked sometimes; that doesn’t make people dumb, but it also isn’t the floor mats’ fault. We’ve seen it on this very forum, and my wife has succumbed to this herself, and she’s brilliant! But in a new vehicle you’re unfamiliar with (the original Toyota 911 call was in a loaner), and when panicked? It’s easy to hit the wrong pedal, and if you do, you will, I guarantee it, *swear* you were on the correct one. It’s human nature.

 

[Pragmatic]

As I said in my post, regardless of the real issue, unsecured mats have not been a thing for over 15 years.

After the Toyota issues it's surprising that any OEM would be clueless enough to sell unsecured mats in their cars.

 

[borski]

As I said in my post, regardless of the real issue, unsecured mats have not been a thing for over 15 years.

After the Toyota issues it's surprising that any OEM would be clueless enough to sell unsecured mats in their cars.

Oh, sure. I guess I misunderstood what you meant by “been a thing.”

Sure, they should all be secured, just for good practice and to avoid frivolous lawsuits.

 

[Tim-in-CA]

This is why I use the 3D mats, larger, more coverage, form fitting and no risk of accelerator or brake pedal entrapment. In addition they have large Velcro pads on the bottom to help them stay put. Snap/hook design on the vehicle side would be better

 

[joec]

While my mats slip when I get in or out (driver's one only) I have never felt there was any chance they'd slip under the pedals and cause any real issue.

I'm happy to take new mats if they offer them to me. But this isn't a big story.

I am curious how they will handle this, though. My car does not have the anchor posts, as found on newer Airs. Will they install anchor posts for me, or will they have a third variation of these mats that includes velcro on the bottom to hold them in place?

I'll guess I'll find out soon.

 

[ken43]

I couldn't find any history of accessories purchased on the Lucid site. I wonder if Lucid has a record of owners who bought the affected all-weather mats?

 

[JGard18]

I bought mine through the rewards store. I wonder if I’ll get new ones, too?

 

[AZAirGT]

None of the original vehicles had anchors either, unless you count the Velcro.

I did put the fuzzy side of industrial grade Velcro on the back of the mat. Works perfectly!

 

[pyle112]

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