Unfortunately i think it’s impossible to simulate the exact same city driving conditions, so I don’t have any data, but a model 3 will easily do 4+ miles/kwh around town, but at 70mph, that will drop to 3.5. Lucid will do the inverse.
But you specifically called out the model S as being more efficient in city driving than the Air. The model 3 is a much smaller car and that helps it in city driving. Either show us some model S data or quit saying it.
My car is outdoors 24/7, when temps are 25F and below I pre-condition the battery for 45-60 minutes in the morning before leaving to warm the battery, I pre-heat the interior about 10 minutes before walking out the door.
My lifetime average is 3.3 in a 2016 model S. My lifetime average in my much more modern and supposedly efficient 2023 Lucid is 3.1. I’ll take screenshots for you if you want…
What are your other EV’s?
Not my experience at all. Thus far 700 miles into my ‘25 AGT and the relationship to EPA rating in winter is better than it was in my 2018 Tesla M3P (which was in 18” wheels rather than the OEM 20”’s).
Lucid is more efficient in city driving and highway driving.
How do you precondition that battery? The only way I know is if it's not connected to a charger and you precondition ready for charging. Is that what you're doing ?
I can’t say I’ve noticed my battery being any warmer after heating the inside of my car for 20min. It’s still registered as “blue” with a low energy warning. I doubt the brief amount of power going in to the battery to top it up while it’s heating warms the battery much. It’s probably more to do with the cabin already being warm when you take it off charge that helps the efficiency.
I doubt that. On the 12 mile trip I alluded to yesterday I had the climate off. I have watched on the App as I preheat the interior of my car where it sometimes says "conditioning battery for optimal charging," or something like that, and unquestionably my efficiency is MUCH better irrespective of the climate settings after unplugging the car.
so many people are getting overly concerned about the range that they are seeing. this post regarding a short local trip is a perfect example of overthinking things.
I only made the post about the 12 mile trip to validate that short trips in cold weather WITHOUT warming the batteries can very well show absurdly low efficiency numbers (as others have been worried about) and, as you correctly point out -- efficiency simply does NOT matter on THE VAST MAJORITY OF trips because your back in the garage and plugged in before you get anywhere near the car's useful range -- even in cold weather.
Do you pre-condition by unplugging from power and initiating pre-conditioning from the Pilot Panel, as if you were headed for a charging station? ie, sacrificing some SOC to get the battery up to temp? IF so, seems well worth it when just driving locally.
Hold on now. Your efficiency without preheating was 2.21 and matches more closely what others have reported? So why didn’t the heat pump still bring your efficiency significantly higher than those without it? My efficiency with no heat pump and no preheating in the kinds of trips you mentioned, even in 25 degree temps, is generally higher than 2.21 with no heat pump. I can tell you my new i5 with heat pump takes a greater % hit in cold weather than my ‘heat pump-less’ Lucid. Obviously other factors could be at play, but this is my direct experience.
My point was (and is) that cold batteries do not efficiently deliver power. That is simple chemistry. While the heat pump will draw far less power from the batteries than resistive heat, nothing is going to make a cold battery efficient. THAT was the point. If it is cold out, preheat your car for 30 minutes before driving it and your range / efficiency will be significantly better compared to what your car would deliver if the battery was cold. The '24 and earlier versions of the Air will never be able to be as efficient as the '25's in cold weather because of the heat pump AND numerous other changes Lucid made to battery chemistry, thermal management, etc., BUT a warm battery '24 (or earlier) will still deliver significantly better efficiency than a cold battery '24 (or earlier). We don't need a controlled A/B study to know that. I have done this literally hundreds of times going back to 2011 with five different EV's -- same thing every time -- warm batteries deliver power more efficiently.Hold on now. Your efficiency without preheating was 2.21 and matches more closely what others have reported? So why didn’t the heat pump still bring your efficiency significantly higher than those without it? My efficiency with no heat pump and no preheating in the kinds of trips you mentioned, even in 25 degree temps, is generally higher than 2.21 with no heat pump. I can tell you my new i5 with heat pump takes a greater % hit in cold weather than my ‘heat pump-less’ Lucid. Obviously other factors could be at play, but this is my direct experience.
As I’ve said, this is why I’d like to see a controlled A/B (same roads, same ambient temperatures, same driving techniques) with 2 similar Lucids with & without a heat pump. It’s the only way we take this out of the subjective realm and into the objective arena. I just seem to recall that other cars where a heat pump was later introduced, did not result in much of an efficiency gain.
Not trying to be contrarian, I’d just like to see the science.
Absolutely, no argument there, that’s obvious from any equipment that’s battery driven. All I’m saying is I’d like to isolate the efficiency gain from the heat pump alone. Alone, I don’t think it gives the efficiency increase that some think it does. As I said, this is based on what I recall from previous EVs where a heat pump was later introduced and no other changes were made. OTOH I don’t doubt there is a worthwhile efficiency increase in the 25 Lucids when all the improvements are summed up. Again, I’m just curious about the heat pump’s contribution.
