Range Performance SF to LA

[sansonoma]

If I do my math right, you got 74 miles per 100 mile. This is pretty good. I have my GT Air for three months. 70 miles /100 is the best I have gotten so far. This is combine highway and city. They told me that I should be getting up to 450 miles on a full charge 519. That would be great, but it seems dream for now.
I usually mentally calculate 65/100 to be safe. I don’t want run out of battery considering unreliable Electrify America charging stations.
Yesterday, I went to charge my car at Fashion Island at Newport Beach. 4 of the 8 chargers were not working.

Thanks. They told me 450 also, and that is the only disappointment I've had with this car. Nevertheless, I reliably get about 400-420 miles on this trip at 70mph max. I think that if I didn't have to cross two mountain ranges, I would be up to 460-470. I am also sure I would be around 500 miles if I drove 60 mph. Finally, this seems to comport with the excellent advice I get from this forum. I am making the trip tomorrow after more than a month's hiatus and just passed 4000 miles. We'll see.

 

[Bus Driver]

Thanks. They told me 450 also, and that is the only disappointment I've had with this car. Nevertheless, I reliably get about 400-420 miles on this trip at 70mph max. I think that if I didn't have to cross two mountain ranges, I would be up to 460-470. I am also sure I would be around 500 miles if I drove 60 mph. Finally, this seems to comport with the excellent advice I get from this forum. I am making the trip tomorrow after more than a month's hiatus and just passed 4000 miles. We'll see.

You’re teaching me an important lesson - I need to slow down.

In the four months I’ve owned my Air GT, I’ve observed that on my weekly commute to work, a roundtrip distance of 240 to 280 statute miles, depending on which location I need to go to that week, I use up about 80% to 82% of my battery charge.

In real world terms and given my style of driving - spirited, usually in SPRINT, and the cruise control set at 80 mph whenever possible - I’m estimating that I’ll only get 300 real world miles, after charging to 100%.

It’s disappointing for sure, especially when one of the many things that dazzled me about the Lucid Air was its 516 miles of EPA rated range. I don’t know how I’d have to drive to actually achieve that, and I don’t see myself taking the trouble to find out. So, 300 miles is it.

In rain or shine, when it’s hot or when it’s cold, commuting to work or road trips, 300 miles.

 

[Steveinarizona]

You’re teaching me an important lesson - I need to slow down.

In the four months I’ve owned my Air GT, I’ve observed that on my weekly commute to work, a roundtrip distance of 240 to 280 statute miles, depending on which location I need to go to that week, I use up about 80% to 82% of my battery charge.

In real world terms and given my style of driving - spirited, usually in SPRINT, and the cruise control set at 80 mph whenever possible - I’m estimating that I’ll only get 300 real world miles, after charging to 100%.

It’s disappointing for sure, especially when one of the many things that dazzled me about the Lucid Air was its 516 miles of EPA rated range. I don’t know how I’d have to drive to actually achieve that, and I don’t see myself taking the trouble to find out. So, 300 miles is it.

In rain or shine, when it’s hot or when it’s cold, commuting to work or road trips, 300 miles.

But you are driving at a high speed way above what EPA tests at. You would see similar degradations on other cars with smaller ranges. So if your range is 300, if you had something with a 300 mile range you would probably be looking at 240 miles of range. You are still getting the Lucid range advantage. Just not hypermiling to get the best possible range. And, most importantly, enjoying the drive.

 

[sansonoma]

You’re teaching me an important lesson - I need to slow down.

In the four months I’ve owned my Air GT, I’ve observed that on my weekly commute to work, a roundtrip distance of 240 to 280 statute miles, depending on which location I need to go to that week, I use up about 80% to 82% of my battery charge.

In real world terms and given my style of driving - spirited, usually in SPRINT, and the cruise control set at 80 mph whenever possible - I’m estimating that I’ll only get 300 real world miles, after charging to 100%.

It’s disappointing for sure, especially when one of the many things that dazzled me about the Lucid Air was its 516 miles of EPA rated range. I don’t know how I’d have to drive to actually achieve that, and I don’t see myself taking the trouble to find out. So, 300 miles is it.

In rain or shine, when it’s hot or when it’s cold, commuting to work or road trips, 300 miles.

When I commute from my home to my office ....3 miles round trip ... I get the same as you, even if that's 30 -35 mph at best. It's the inertia of a two-and-a-half-ton vehicle. At each stop, one has to lose all that energy (about 250 kilojoules, the momentum of a Lucid at 35 mph = 31558.8 kg·m/s) and regain that to get going again. To get going takes considerable battery power to gain that 250 kj, which we convert to heat and regenerated battery energy when stopping. Anyway, city driving sucks for range.

I add that this is true for any vehicle and depends monotonically on the vehicle's weight. We have a heavy vehicle. That said, I LOVE the car! I only use SMOOTh mode - simply because I like it - and have 19-inch wheels for the same reason. It's the best car I have ever owned.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

When I commute from my home to my office ....3 miles round trip ... I get the same as you, even if that's 30 -35 mph at best. It's the inertia of a two-and-a-half-ton vehicle. At each stop, one has to lose all that energy (about 250 kilojoules, the momentum of a Lucid at 35 mph = 31558.8 kg·m/s) and regain that to get going again. To get going takes considerable battery power to gain that 250 kj, which we convert to heat and regenerated battery energy when stopping. Anyway, city driving sucks for range.

Somebody paid attention in Physics class!

 

[Steveinarizona]

Somebody paid attention in Physics class!

Not quite. One can't lose energy. Remember the law of conservation of energy.

 

[sansonoma]

Not quite. One can't lose energy. Remember the law of conservation of energy.

Well, yes, you are right, but that was the point. It is converted into heat, so same amount but in a different state. Thermodynamics.

 

[avadera]

You’re teaching me an important lesson - I need to slow down.

In the four months I’ve owned my Air GT, I’ve observed that on my weekly commute to work, a roundtrip distance of 240 to 280 statute miles, depending on which location I need to go to that week, I use up about 80% to 82% of my battery charge.

In real world terms and given my style of driving - spirited, usually in SPRINT, and the cruise control set at 80 mph whenever possible - I’m estimating that I’ll only get 300 real world miles, after charging to 100%.

It’s disappointing for sure, especially when one of the many things that dazzled me about the Lucid Air was its 516 miles of EPA rated range. I don’t know how I’d have to drive to actually achieve that, and I don’t see myself taking the trouble to find out. So, 300 miles is it.

In rain or shine, when it’s hot or when it’s cold, commuting to work or road trips, 300 miles.

I was an early adopter owning 2014 model S. On 300 range mile I used to get 220 actual miles. Now I am an early adopter of GT Air. One of the reasons, I bought GT Air, 19" wheel so that I can get 516 range mile. At the time of the sales, they told me I will get approximately 450 actual miles driven. Obviously, I was excited and signed on the dotted line. I thought in 8 years battery technology has improved so getting 450 actual mile is great. It would be perfect for long distance travel which Model S could not support. After 3 months of owning GT Air, I have to come to the conclusion 300 - 320 actual mile is the best we can expect on fully charged. I would love to see how they calculate range miles which is the case for all EVs'.
Right now, I get a lot of thumbs up on the road for Lucid, I might get middle finger if I start driving slow to get better mileage and irritate other drivers on the road.

 

[sansonoma]

I was an early adopter owning 2014 model S. On 300 range mile I used to get 220 actual miles. Now I am an early adopter of GT Air. One of the reasons, I bought GT Air, 19" wheel so that I can get 516 range mile. At the time of the sales, they told me I will get approximately 450 actual miles driven. Obviously, I was excited and signed on the dotted line. I thought in 8 years battery technology has improved so getting 450 actual mile is great. It would be perfect for long distance travel which Model S could not support. After 3 months of owning GT Air, I have to come to the conclusion 300 - 320 actual mile is the best we can expect on fully charged. I would love to see how they calculate range miles which is the case for all EVs'.
Right now, I get a lot of thumbs up on the road for Lucid, I might get middle finger if I start driving slow to get better mileage and irritate other drivers on the road.

Just try 70-75 on flat highways; I am sure you'll get over 400 - I do. It will depend on how aggressively to get on the road, etc. If someone flips you off for going 70, that says something about them, not you.

 

[avadera]

Just try 70-75 on flat highways; I am sure you'll get over 400 - I do. It will depend on how aggressively to get on the road, etc. If someone flips you off for going 70, that says something about them, not you.

I never compete with other drivers. I let them pass and wish them good luck. 400 mile is good if driving 70 - 75. It’s worth the trade off.

 

[Bus Driver]

I was an early adopter owning 2014 model S. On 300 range mile I used to get 220 actual miles. Now I am an early adopter of GT Air. One of the reasons, I bought GT Air, 19" wheel so that I can get 516 range mile. At the time of the sales, they told me I will get approximately 450 actual miles driven. Obviously, I was excited and signed on the dotted line. I thought in 8 years battery technology has improved so getting 450 actual mile is great. It would be perfect for long distance travel which Model S could not support. After 3 months of owning GT Air, I have to come to the conclusion 300 - 320 actual mile is the best we can expect on fully charged. I would love to see how they calculate range miles which is the case for all EVs'.
Right now, I get a lot of thumbs up on the road for Lucid, I might get middle finger if I start driving slow to get better mileage and irritate other drivers on the road.

Yes. I agree. To go from 100% to 1%, given our non-hypermiling driving styles and our habit of cruising to keep up with freeway traffic, 300 to 320 miles is what we can realistically expect.

 

[Bus Driver]

But you are driving at a high speed way above what EPA tests at. You would see similar degradations on other cars with smaller ranges. So if your range is 300, if you had something with a 300 mile range you would probably be looking at 240 miles of range. You are still getting the Lucid range advantage. Just not hypermiling to get the best possible range. And, most importantly, enjoying the drive.

You’re absolutely correct. Our youngest Tesla, a Model X100D, started with an EPA rated range of 295 miles. After four and a half years, a 100% charge gives us 266 miles. In real world terms I start getting jittery at 190 miles. Granted the Model X was never about battery efficiency, and its weight and bulbous shape certainly doesn’t help.

I agree with you on another point - my Air GT is more fun to drive than any Tesla we’ve ever owned. Far, far more fun.

 

[avadera]

You’re absolutely correct. Our youngest Tesla, a Model X100D, started with an EPA rated range of 295 miles. After four and a half years, a 100% charge gives us 266 miles. In real world terms I start getting jittery at 190 miles. Granted the Model X was never about battery efficiency, and its weight and bulbous shape certainly doesn’t help.

I agree with you on another point - my Air GT is more fun to drive than any Tesla we’ve ever owned. Far, far more fun.

Agree, Lucid GT Air is far more fun and cool to drive than Tesla.

 

[sansonoma]

I got very good range yesterday heading north on the I-5. Never got to 3.8 mi/kWhr before. I seem to be getting more range (reported) after the last update and can now get from UCLA to Palo Alto with 80 miles left. Does anyone else experience that?

 

[thecodingart]

Yeah, this has been a #1 complaint of mine for the past year.

Lucid needs to be more precise with the numbers they advertise for range, and they need to fix their range estimator to reflect an estimate based on the active mi/kWh measurements.

It’s a big deal that they dont, and as the car DOESNT default to percentages and because they advertise the shown inaccurate measurements, they will mislead customers into bad situations.

My average is between 3-3.2kWh/mi btw with > 12,000 miles on my AGT.

I will also have a brand new battery next week..

 

[DeaneG]

I got very good range yesterday heading north on the I-5. Never got to 3.8 mi/kWhr before. I seem to be getting more range (reported) after the last update and can now get from UCLA to Palo Alto with 80 miles left. Does anyone else experience that?

Did you have a healthy tailwind?

 

[Bus Driver]

Did you have a healthy tailwind?

Good point; or was he drafting four to six car lengths behind a semi-trailer truck?

 

[Bus Driver]

Yeah, this has been a #1 complaint of mine for the past year.

Lucid needs to be more precise with the numbers they advertise for range, and they need to fix their range estimator to reflect an estimate based on the active mi/kWh measurements.

It’s a big deal that they dont, and as the car DOESNT default to percentages and because they advertise the shown inaccurate measurements, they will mislead customers into bad situations.

My average is between 3-3.2kWh/mi btw with > 12,000 miles on my AGT.

I will also have a brand new battery next week..

Oh, wow. Your car is still young, as all ours are. What has warranted the new battery?

 

[sansonoma]

Did you have a healthy tailwind?

Nope, a steady cross wind. But the range has been improving steadily as I approach 10K miles.

This is yesterday:

 

[sansonoma]

Good point; or was he drafting four to six car lengths behind a semi-trailer truck?

Well, you are almost forced to do that on I-5!

But, no, I was doing a steady 75 MPH almost the whole time and still did the whole trip with more than 10% to spare.

Something has changed.