True. But even so, it should still be very fast.An obvious point but Tourung has different voltage hence charges slower than GT.
There has been a lot of back and forth about the charging curve for sure. Is Lucid being a bit conservative here? Yeah, probably. They are on the hook if your battery doesn't last 8 years, so I get where they are coming from. But I do think as they see their cars over time and how well the batteries are holding up, they may adjust that curve and give us some more speed for a longer duration.
At least I hope so.
I wonder if Porsche knows from history that most owners don't hold on to their Porsches for eight years or more?I think @joec has hit the nail on the head. After one year of almost exclusively charging at EA, I find that it doesn't much matter what the starting point is. It's going to take me about 35 minutes to get to an 80% SOC. With a low initial SOC, the starting kW rate will be high, and then drop like a rock. Start at a higher SOC, and the initial kW rate will start lower, but drop on a more linear basis. I can live with this, as it's what I would want if the battery only had a three year warranty, and I plan to be buried in my Lucid.That doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to see a more aggressive charging curve.
Given what I at least perceive to be the relative priorities of Porsche vs. Lucid owners, I'm not surprised that Porsche would prioritize fast charging times, even if it meant a significant reduction of battery life. Then again, they may very well have found a way to achieve one without sacrificing the other, in which case Porsche owners get to have their cake and eat it too!
I wonder if Porsche knows from history that most owners don't hold on to their Porsches for eight years or more?
They also have a dealership system that knows how to push newer cars on existing customers. A friend just got talked into "upgrading" to a Taycan from her three-year-old Macan.
They saw she had low miles on the Macan, I'm guessing, and figured that would be a more valuable used car on the lot than a new Taycan.
Touring and Pure max out at 250 kWh and charge slower than the higher trims with larger battery packs.I've only gotten about 220kw once when using EA chargers. Has anyone ever gotten the rated 350kw on the LVL3 EA chargers in any EV? Charging generally takes me 35min from 20%-80%, though charging 10%-80% I would think that it would still take about 35min. What was your range, and average speed like?
I bought a used Grand Touring for its 500+ miles of advertised range. II didn’t care whether it did that. What I did care about is that we have a lake cottage that is 254 miles from our main home. I wanted a car that I could drive for that distance on a hot summer day, sun bright, a/c on, stereo on, seat message on and driving at (within a bit of reason) whatever speed(s) I chose and to still have a healthy amount of range left when I arrived. The Lucid easily does that.So, I had an emergency trip that I had to take so I hopped in my Touring and drove 730 miles from Georgia to NJ.
My observations:
1) The EPA rating is a complete farce. (not really a surprise)
2) Everything that was ever printed about the speed of charging in the Lucid is also a complete farce. I got over 200kw once and it lasted for about 2% of the charge. After that it dropped rapidly and continuously. This was at 4 different EA, 350kw chargers along the way. Most of the time, it peaked between 150-180 kw.
3) Finding chargers was a cinch. They were everywhere I needed and I didn't have to wait to use any of them. Of course, I was mostly charging between 3pm and 4:30am.
4) Not something about the charging, but the navigation in the Lucid is abhorrent. 3 different times it wanting me to exit the interstate, travel to the next on ramp and get back on the interstate.
5) I tried to use the 110V mobile charger just to add a little cushion since the car was just sitting in the driveway, but it blew the circuit breaker, so that was a no go.
Since you're a more experienced user ( i got my GT in April of 2022. I thought that we got initially 3 years free EA charging. Travelled yesterday in NC and both times EA charged me. Am I wrong?Not EPA but pretty close. It's really not unachievable. Touring also
Touring and Pure max out at 250 kWh and charge slower than the higher trims with larger battery packs.
I've heard this has happened with Touring's as well even tho they said we we're maxed at 250 kWh.My Pure AWD hit 277 kWh once... for about five seconds.![]()
I've heard this has happened with Touring's as well even tho they said we we're maxed at 250 kWh.
I never expected the car to get the EPA mileage. I know they test in unrealistic settings. I just used it to compare vehicles.
it should still be very fast.
Sure. It was also 40 degrees, and I wasn’t there, so I have no idea what else happened or affected it.I hope you actually saw the result even with a 272 peak. It's not that fast...
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Since you're a more experienced user ( i got my GT in April of 2022. I thought that we got initially 3 years free EA charging. Travelled yesterday in NC and both times EA charged me. Am I wrong?
The highest I’ve ever gotten was 344, but on my DE.
I regularly get 320 and above, and literally did so twice last week, but only if I have preconditioned. It doesn’t seem to matter what temp the car is or what the weather is; if I precondition for a half hour or longer, I get above 300. If I don’t, I start at 220-240 and go down from there.
On my most recent charge, I was still getting 117-120kW all the way up through 80%, and this was on a balanced 350.
Started at a 3% SOC and took 30 min to 80%.
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So no, it’s not a Touring, but Lucid isn’t lying about the charging speeds; you do need to precondition though.
I find Borski's screen shots (it says "1:47 AM today" on my computer) a little disappointing. I did a quick back of the envelope calculation. He got 309 miles for $51.00. If a run-of-the-mill Internal Combustion (ICE) car gets 30 miles per gallon that would be the equivalent of ten gallons of gas. So an ICE car costs $30 (more or less) to go 300 miles and we are paying $50? Am I missing a decimal point or something?The highest I’ve ever gotten was 344, but on my DE.
I regularly get 320 and above, and literally did so twice last week, but only if I have preconditioned. It doesn’t seem to matter what temp the car is or what the weather is; if I precondition for a half hour or longer, I get above 300. If I don’t, I start at 220-240 and go down from there.
On my most recent charge, I was still getting 117-120kW all the way up through 80%, and this was on a balanced 350.
Started at a 3% SOC and took 30 min to 80%.
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So no, it’s not a Touring, but Lucid isn’t lying about the charging speeds; you do need to precondition though.
How did they charge you if they don't have your credit card.Since you're a more experienced user ( i got my GT in April of 2022. I thought that we got initially 3 years free EA charging. Travelled yesterday in NC and both times EA charged me. Am I wrong?
Did you precondition before charging ? If you navigate to charger the car will auto start preconditioning.I never expected the car to get the EPA mileage. I know they test in unrealistic settings. I just used it to compare vehicles.
This is my first EV and this is my first trip. That being said, I expected the charging speed to be at least 15 minutes faster than it was.
I was in a hurry to get to where I was going, so that could have altered my perception.
I was just hoping that it would stay at the faster rates for at least the 10% - 30% range. I knew that it would get slower as I approached 80%, but I was surprised that it plummeted below 200 within the first 5%.