Lease return excess wear & tear

Running to the press in less than 30 days might feel satisfying, but it rarely speeds up a resolution.

I’m not saying people shouldn’t share their experiences here. In fact, the forum is exactly the place to talk about frustrations, compare notes, and help each other get results. But let’s not pretend media escalation is a silver bullet.

Once the press gets involved, legal teams on both sides (Lucid and BofA) have to get looped in. What happens next? Everything slows down. Communications get lawyered. PR responses get vetted, then shelved. The companies go into risk mitigation mode, not problem-solving mode.

Instead of fixing the issue internally and improving the system holistically, resources get diverted to damage control.

To give a real-world example: My mom was legal counsel at a major utility company. One day, someone put out a “funny” sign in the cafeteria - Homer Simpson tripping in a nuclear plant on some green ooze with the caption “Be Safe in the Workplace.” Innocent enough? Not to legal. Because if anything ever went wrong at the actual nuclear site, that sign would’ve become an exhibit in court or a headline in the media.

It took five meetings, three law firms, and twenty lawyers to remove that sign from a breakroom table. Millions of dollars and countless hours were wasted not because it wasn’t important, but because the legal loop is slow, expensive, and reactive by design.

Just something to think about before escalating publicly. The better fix might be through persistent internal advocacy - advocacy on this forum, which by Lucid showing up here and contacting people directly shows that they were in this process.

A PR battle that turns every issue into a liability solves nothing.

Just my two cents.
I disagree. if Lucid goes into risk mitigation mode and not problem solving mode then they are just multiplying the hurt to themselves. Lucid is a relatively new company. The last thing they need is continued bad word of mouth. A more logical response would be to say screw this legal nonsense of slowing things down, we need to do the opposite of that and fix this ASAP. That means stop ghosting your customers when it looks like they have legitimate complaint. Since Lucid picked Bofa as a third party, then Lucid is responsible to fix this and inform all those affected what they are going to do about it. That means when they say they will call tomorrow, then follow through. Or at least let the customer know how they plan to fix things and the timeline for doing so.
 
Big corporations understand the importance of their brand image. If something can negatively impact their brand image, they will act. Otherwise, they just string things along under the radar.
 
It’s hard to tell people to be more patient and let Lucid take their sweet time to fix this when customers are being turned over to collections IMMEDIATELY. The only parties being negatively affected so far are the customers, and that won’t change without ample publicity and pressure.
 
There is a tiny provision in the reservation agreement that Lucid uses to force arbitration, unless you have affirmatively opted out within 30 days of signing.

The lease itself says nothing about arbitration.

Once my lease is over and I pay their ransom, I'll be happy to walk away from this brand forever

Running to the press in less than 30 days might feel satisfying, but it rarely speeds up a resolution.

I’m not saying people shouldn’t share their experiences here. In fact, the forum is exactly the place to talk about frustrations, compare notes, and help each other get results. But let’s not pretend media escalation is a silver bullet.

Once the press gets involved, legal teams on both sides (Lucid and BofA) have to get looped in. What happens next? Everything slows down. Communications get lawyered. PR responses get vetted, then shelved. The companies go into risk mitigation mode, not problem-solving mode.

Instead of fixing the issue internally and improving the system holistically, resources get diverted to damage control.

To give a real-world example: My mom was legal counsel at a major utility company. One day, someone put out a “funny” sign in the cafeteria - Homer Simpson tripping in a nuclear plant on some green ooze with the caption “Be Safe in the Workplace.” Innocent enough? Not to legal. Because if anything ever went wrong at the actual nuclear site, that sign would’ve become an exhibit in court or a headline in the media.

It took five meetings, three law firms, and twenty lawyers to remove that sign from a breakroom table. Millions of dollars and countless hours were wasted not because it wasn’t important, but because the legal loop is slow, expensive, and reactive by design.

Just something to think about before escalating publicly. The better fix might be through persistent internal advocacy - advocacy on this forum, which by Lucid showing up here and contacting people directly shows that they were in this process.

A PR battle that turns every issue into a liability solves nothing.

Just my two cents.
I think it's a bit disingenuous to ask people not to take every option available to them to resolve something like an unexpected bill in the thousands while staring down the barrel of a collections notice. Your point is fair but make it when you're in te hot seat.
 
OK, more press interest in this story. Reporter seeking people here to interview.

I was contacted by a financial reporter who is currently working on a story about Lucid's lease difficulties and the number of people who feel they've been mistreated by the company and/or their lending partner BofA.

He's asked me not to post his email address or phone number, but asked me to get it to other individuals DIRECTLY experiencing something similar right now. This is not for those worried about what might happen to them in the future when they turn in the car.

If you've turned in a leased vehicle and been assessed what you see as unfair charges for excess wear and tear, and especially if you've tried to resolve this amicably with Lucid and/or Lucid Finanial or BofA, and been denied an appeal like me, then PM me here and I'll give you his name and email.

He'd like to hear from you ASAP for his story.


He's reaching out to the company as well, as he clearly should.

Again, don't request from me his contact info unless you're ALREADY experiencing this issue and have tried and failed to get it resolved by Lucid, Lucid Financial, or BofA.
See, this kind of responsible journalism, even when it hurts Lucid, is an example of something I have absolutely no issue with, provided Lucid has been given a chance to correct the issue first.

This 'take your time, gather the data, talk to primary sources, contact Lucid for a response' journalism is great. It's the Mr. eletric 'I copied some sentences from a forum and here's a bunch on how EVs work to fill the word count so google doesn't smack me for bad SEO' that grinds my gears.
 
See, this kind of responsible journalism, even when it hurts Lucid, is an example of something I have absolutely no issue with, provided Lucid has been given a chance to correct the issue first.

This 'take your time, gather the data, talk to primary sources, contact Lucid for a response' journalism is great. It's the Mr. eletric 'I copied some sentences from a forum and here's a bunch on how EVs work to fill the word count so google doesn't smack me for bad SEO' that grinds my gears.
I fully agree with this. My quotes were used in the Carbuzz article but important context was missing and this thread is still active. So at best that article is incomplete.
 
Based on what I've read in these lease threads, it seems like the first billing notice comes to a lessee from a collections agency. Can anyone confirm this?

If true, then BoA must have turned over inspections and billing to a 3rd party collector, who could be using all their nasty collection tricks to get as much as they can from the lessee. If so, I would withhold paying anything until formally disputing the charges.

Collection agencies are bound to follow federal law to resolve disputes by the FDCPA (Federal Disputes Collection Practices Act). As I understand it, a person can inform the collection agency in a written letter that they are disputing the charges and to stop contacting them, in which case the collection responsibility goes back to the debtor, BoA. The collection agency may then decide to remove the extra charges it has no way of substantiating and collect only the amount that it can legitimatley tie to the inspection.

If the collection agency won't budge, it may force BoA to deal with the lessee directly. In this case BoA may not want to deal with the hassle of a dispute and agree to a more reasonable turn-in charge. Either way, by moving forward with a dispute, it should protect you from a ding to your credit rating until it's resolved. I've had an interaction with a 3rd party collector in the past, and succeeded in getting a lower collection amount.

As a lessee myself, I hope this ugly situation is fixed in 2 years. If not, I will explain this all to a lawyer and gladly pay for his legal advice before just caving to BoA. Who knows, maybe the attorney can find a way to threaten BoA with a costly lawsuit that includes a hefty amount for pain and suffering inflicted on me by the nasty corporate banking giant. LOL
I am in the process of returning my leased AGT. I extended my lease for two months and have two observations:
- the first paragraph of the lease extension agreement letter starts with “ARS Portfolio Services, LLC provides certain servicing and collections services to Bank of America, N.A. ARS Portfolio Services, LLC, on behalf of Bank of America, N.A., is trying to collect a debt that you owe to Bank of America, N.A.” This is very strange as a) I had no outstanding payment, and b) this is a lease extension agreement. It appears that they believe by agreeing to extend my lease I was automatically in default of some non-existent payment?
- when speaking to LFS / BoA representatives they told me that ARS is a BoA company and if a payment is one day late they transfer the debt to ARS, and will then report it to the credit agencies after 30 days.
 
Ummm ... anyone interested in taking over my lease for the remaining 6 months? I'll throw in a tank full of electrons ...
 
I am in the process of returning my leased AGT. I extended my lease for two months and have two observations:
- the first paragraph of the lease extension agreement letter starts with “ARS Portfolio Services, LLC provides certain servicing and collections services to Bank of America, N.A. ARS Portfolio Services, LLC, on behalf of Bank of America, N.A., is trying to collect a debt that you owe to Bank of America, N.A.” This is very strange as a) I had no outstanding payment, and b) this is a lease extension agreement. It appears that they believe by agreeing to extend my lease I was automatically in default of some non-existent payment?
- when speaking to LFS / BoA representatives they told me that ARS is a BoA company and if a payment is one day late they transfer the debt to ARS, and will then report it to the credit agencies after 30 days.
Where in the world is Lucid while all this is happening. They need to make some kind of statement of what they plan to do since they are the ones that picked BOFA as a 3rd party for their leases.
 
I am in the process of returning my leased AGT. I extended my lease for two months and have two observations:
- the first paragraph of the lease extension agreement letter starts with “ARS Portfolio Services, LLC provides certain servicing and collections services to Bank of America, N.A. ARS Portfolio Services, LLC, on behalf of Bank of America, N.A., is trying to collect a debt that you owe to Bank of America, N.A.” This is very strange as a) I had no outstanding payment, and b) this is a lease extension agreement. It appears that they believe by agreeing to extend my lease I was automatically in default of some non-existent payment?
- when speaking to LFS / BoA representatives they told me that ARS is a BoA company and if a payment is one day late they transfer the debt to ARS, and will then report it to the credit agencies after 30 days.
Why did you sign an agreement with this kind of language in it?
 
Where in the world is Lucid while all this is happening. They need to make some kind of statement of what they plan to do since they are the ones that picked BOFA as a 3rd party for their leases.
Probably up to their nose with legal trying to figure out how not to look a gift horse in the mouth. Just remember that BofA was the one who came to partner with Lucid back in the early days.
 
Probably up to their nose with legal trying to figure out how not to look a gift horse in the mouth. Just remember that BofA was the one who came to partner with Lucid back in the early days.
Just because they helped Lucid in the early days, doesn't give them the moral right to screw their customers and damage their reputation.
 
Just because they helped Lucid in the early days, doesn't give them the moral right to screw their customers and damage their reputation.
Moral right? Certainly not.

Legal right? That's more of a question.

Corporations don't have morals. They do have lawyers. And profit motive.

I'm hopeful Lucid understands the seriousness of this situation and comes up with something to make it right for customers. And I hope that doesn't cost them too much while they are figuring it out.
 
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