Gravity Bugs / Issues

ARGH! We hit the dreaded "key not detected" problem this morning -- neither the fob NOR the card will unlock the vehicle or allow it to shift into gear.

I can unlock the doors with the mobile app, but the mobile app is not sufficient to drive. This is really frustrating; I wish they would push out a "PIN to Drive" feature until the key issue is resolved.

I called Customer Care and they said someone would contact me in 24-48 hours for service. I hope this is an extreme guess? Or should I call Roadside and just have them tow it instead? (I'm going to wait until I do anything, as I give it even odds that it will just start working again in an hour.)

I also noticed that the Qi charging pads in the center console were not working. I wonder if there is a wiring/integration issue with the center console that is behind all of this -- taking out the NFC readers, UWB key radio, and charging pads. I'm kinda stumped about all of these things not working at the same time. (Maybe the chargers don't turn on without a key? But climate etc does, so I'm thinking they should.)
Is your car set to not use passive unlock/lock? If there’s a way to get into the car, change it to not passive lock/unlock, then do steering wheel reboot command, then get out of the car and wait for it to lock and leave it for a few minutes, then try to push the door handle in while you have the fob on you and see if that works. If not I guess ask them to push 3.2.1 to you again? Or were you one of the ones they already re-pushed it to before?
 
Is your car set to not use passive unlock/lock? If there’s a way to get into the car, change it to not passive lock/unlock, then do steering wheel reboot command, then get out of the car and wait for it to lock and leave it for a few minutes, then try to push the door handle in while you have the fob on you and see if that works. If not I guess ask them to push 3.2.1 to you again? Or were you one of the ones they already re-pushed it to before?
I've done the hard reboot (steering wheel) twice. Now I'm just going to leave it for an hour and see what happens. I might also go plug in to the wall charger and see if that does anything.

Been on 3.2.1 since the day it was generally released, and haven't had any problems. This is the first time in nearly a full month of having it that we've had any key-related issues, so I'm more than a little surprised.
 
Yeah that sucks, definitely turn off all passive entry and ask CS to re-push 3.2.1 to you if they’re agreeable to doing that. Are you calling them or texting them? I prefer to text, I find I get a quicker response plus the conversation is in writing so that reduces likelihood of miscommunication or confusion when they have other support people handle your case.
 
ARGH! We hit the dreaded "key not detected" problem this morning -- neither the fob NOR the card will unlock the vehicle or allow it to shift into gear.

I can unlock the doors with the mobile app, but the mobile app is not sufficient to drive. This is really frustrating; I wish they would push out a "PIN to Drive" feature until the key issue is resolved.

I called Customer Care and they said someone would contact me in 24-48 hours for service. I hope this is an extreme guess? Or should I call Roadside and just have them tow it instead? (I'm going to wait until I do anything, as I give it even odds that it will just start working again in an hour.)

I also noticed that the Qi charging pads in the center console were not working. I wonder if there is a wiring/integration issue with the center console that is behind all of this -- taking out the NFC readers, UWB key radio, and charging pads. I'm kinda stumped about all of these things not working at the same time. (Maybe the chargers don't turn on without a key? But climate etc does, so I'm thinking they should.)
^ This is what makes me fine to wait and not push too hard for an orphan. I am totally fine with all bugs except one that makes car totally inoperable. It’s a bummer. Even if 2% of Gravity have this issue, near delivery, my sense is that’s too much. But, as an early adopter of Teslas and Rivian, I get the early adopter issues - just don’t want the “car won’t drive” issue…keep us posted and hope all it takes is a push of some SW/reset by Lucid.
 
Yeah that sucks, definitely turn off all passive entry and ask CS to re-push 3.2.1 to you if they’re agreeable to doing that. Are you calling them or texting them? I prefer to text, I find I get a quicker response plus the conversation is in writing so that reduces likelihood of miscommunication or confusion when they have other support people handle your case.
Someone from the local SC called me, we tried resetting the key, and he's going to have someone look at next steps (possibly pushing a patch) and get back to me shortly. So, definitely not 24-48 hours :-)
 
Someone from the local SC called me, we tried resetting the key, and he's going to have someone look at next steps (possibly pushing a patch) and get back to me shortly. So, definitely not 24-48 hours :-)
You are placing the key in the area just under the front arm rest right? Not the top of the phone area but the bottom.
 
You are placing the key in the area just under the front arm rest right? Not the top of the phone area but the bottom.
Yeah, but I tried it everywhere just for fun. This is clearly a failure in the access system because the card doesn't even work on the B-pillar NFC points.

Since I'm waiting for an update, I'll provide some more semi-informed speculation of what's happening. I've written about this here before, but a critical part of automotive manufacturing is how deep the supply chains are. Most car companies are primarily system integrators -- they pick the parts they want to put in the car, usually (but not always -- like the originally Tesla Roadster) manufacture the frame and body, do some customization and tuning on driver experience, and do sales and support. This is probably the highest risk role of the entire automotive supply chain because of all the capital-intensive investment and inventory management.

Lucid is a bit different (much like Tesla) in that they are actually designing and manufacturing the electric drive systems and at least some aspects of battery management directly, rather than getting them from other suppliers.... but they still participate in this supply chain heavily. You'd have to tear things down to see the labels on who is making what, but the seats are (custom) manufactured by Hyundai Transys (https://www.hyundai-transys.com/en/product/seating/complete-seat.do), suspension components are from companies like Bilstein or Continental, and so forth.

Having taken the back off my key to reset it, I see that the entry and authorization system supplier is Marquardt (https://www.marquardt.com/). They're another 100 year old German company that specializes in a few things -- switches, pumps, and entry/access control. You'd think that someone who does building access control would make vehicle access control systems and vice-versa, but these companies still remain very siloed by industry... I can't explain why, I suppose it's just historical. (My grandfather built a very successful business in Detroit manufacturing car window clips -- those bits that hold your window pane in place and attach to the motion mechanism. He later expanded to other parts, but that's how specialized these supply chains are.) Since Marquardt is the entry/access supplier, they're providing the key fobs, the key cards, the UWB transciever, the B-pillar and center console NFC readers, possibly a small microcontroller all those connect to, the software for it, and maybe a software library for the mobile app. When you are providing a capability, you're usually providing pretty much all of it.

I don't know what the E/E internals look like on the Gravity, so there are two possibilities -- Marquardt are providing mostly hardware, or a combination of hardware and software. Based on the historical background of the supplier, and that this is a security-related system, I'm going to guess this is still mostly hardware.... so there are the various sensors that connect to a small microcontroller (this is how you get to the "100+ computers in a modern vehicle" you may have read about) with its own software, connecting via a protocol like CAN bus to the main Nvidia-based main computer. The main computer can send and receive various requests to the access system, typically including software updates and resets -- and receives notification of successful key presentation. My guess is that the Marquardt MCU has gotten into an inconsistent state and is not being reset by the normal reboot process -- this would explain why the NFC points don't work either. In the end these are typically bugs in the supplied module, but often triggered by obscure race conditions in how messages are exchanged with the main computer... messages sent in the wrong order as per the documentation, messages too close together... these are embedded systems from traditionally hardware manufacturers, and their software process maturity may not be what you'd expect from a software-first company. That can make these problems really difficult to debug.
 
I spent a day with just using the keycard, and only the keycard. I noticed the pillar sensor is incredibly inconsistent. Sometimes its very fast to respond, other times it takes 5-10 seconds. Not sure why that might be the case.

Regarding the can bus observation, I assume they are using something else. However, I know canbus is based on packet priority. Only one device on the network can "speak" at any given moment. Not sure if this is the reason why the readers don't work, but I can't imagine Lucid would chose to use a network like CAN for this.
 
ARGH! We hit the dreaded "key not detected" problem this morning -- neither the fob NOR the card will unlock the vehicle or allow it to shift into gear.

I can unlock the doors with the mobile app, but the mobile app is not sufficient to drive. This is really frustrating; I wish they would push out a "PIN to Drive" feature until the key issue is resolved.

I called Customer Care and they said someone would contact me in 24-48 hours for service. I hope this is an extreme guess? Or should I call Roadside and just have them tow it instead? (I'm going to wait until I do anything, as I give it even odds that it will just start working again in an hour.)

I also noticed that the Qi charging pads in the center console were not working. I wonder if there is a wiring/integration issue with the center console that is behind all of this -- taking out the NFC readers, UWB key radio, and charging pads. I'm kinda stumped about all of these things not working at the same time. (Maybe the chargers don't turn on without a key? But climate etc does, so I'm thinking they should.)
They pushed a software update (still 3.2.1) and all the keys are working again!

Now I am getting "Taillight Warning / Brake Light Warning" messages that I wasn't before, though. *shrug*

I don't know if the software is any different than the previous 3.2.1 (it installed very quickly), or if that's the only mechanism they have to force a reset of the entry/access system. Hopefully it sticks!
 
Regarding the can bus observation, I assume they are using something else. However, I know canbus is based on packet priority. Only one device on the network can "speak" at any given moment. Not sure if this is the reason why the readers don't work, but I can't imagine Lucid would chose to use a network like CAN for this.
CAN bus is pretty much universal across the automotive ecosystem. 100BASE-T1 ethernet is still just starting to show up.
 
Just got off the phone with customer care and the rep wasn't aware of a certificate push. That's OK though, these cars are new and access to the supercharger system is also new. He dug around and ultimately opened a case, which I hope will find it's way up the chain to someone who can recognize the problem.

I sent the rel a screenshot of the app showing "Pending: Tesla Supercharger", the in car photo of the "Unable to Authenticate" error and the two address of the 250kw Tesla Superchargers we tried.

The most amazing part to me, is that we got the Gravity Thursday, and put about 200 miles on it. We are new EV owners, so you can imagine we aren't efficient drivers. We've avged just over 3mi/kw over 200 miles, used standard Regen, and taken the car up some Twisties for fun. With only the standard 120c changing overnight, the car still has 200 miles of range.

For daily use the 120 is more than enough to cover how the Gravity will get driven. Swapping to the 240V should be more than sufficient.
Its the newness of the vehicle and driving it for fun rather than just commuting that is hitting the efficiency. Same here as I'm down in the 2s on my efficiency bc I'm having too much dang fun and showing my friends and coworkers the car and power! Efficiency will come in time as the car becomes normal to us (if it ever does, good gosh it's so fun and nice to drive!).
 
Just got off the phone with customer care and the rep wasn't aware of a certificate push. That's OK though, these cars are new and access to the supercharger system is also new. He dug around and ultimately opened a case, which I hope will find it's way up the chain to someone who can recognize the problem.

I sent the rel a screenshot of the app showing "Pending: Tesla Supercharger", the in car photo of the "Unable to Authenticate" error and the two address of the 250kw Tesla Superchargers we tried.

The most amazing part to me, is that we got the Gravity Thursday, and put about 200 miles on it. We are new EV owners, so you can imagine we aren't efficient drivers. We've avged just over 3mi/kw over 200 miles, used standard Regen, and taken the car up some Twisties for fun. With only the standard 120c changing overnight, the car still has 200 miles of range.

For daily use the 120 is more than enough to cover how the Gravity will get driven. Swapping to the 240V should be more than sufficient.
That's super encouraging!

I'm a little envious. My GDE is parked with only 75 miles on the odo, and is still at a 78% SoC from the initial pre-delivery power-up I received at the delivery center. Like you, I took delivery last Thursday. The next morning in my own garage, I had that key fob issue (resolved with sw push overwriting existing 3.2.1) then I had to head to the airport for a business trip. Won't be back until Wednesday night and am hoping (praying) the key fob fix persists so I can actually drive it again. I've spent the last few days dreaming about the ride quality compared to various ride-shares and limos I've been in while on this business trip. Sigh.
 
A couple of nights ago I thought I'd check to see if our Homelink seemed activated. I pressed the Homelink icon which brought up a screen that allowed you to add a setup by pressing the "+" button. I pressed it, and instructions came up for proceeding. I did not go any further because our garage doors use a roving code and I didn't have anyone else at the moment to get up on the ladder.

Today I thought I'd try to program in our garage doors. I pressed the Homelink icon, which again brought up a screen with the "+" button for adding a setting. I pressed it . . . and the navigation system came up. I thought I must have accidentally hit the navigation icon, so I tried again. Same result. And again. Same result.

We had just come home from a drive, and the car had been throwing up random messages. Several times the "key not detected" message came up -- even while driving -- although the key was in the spot designed for it in the center console. Then we started getting repeat "wireless charging not available" messages even though both our phones were on the charging pads and were charging. Then we made a stop for an errand and used the key fob to get back in the car but found the car wouldn't go into gear. I tried a couple more times, but just as I was getting ready to try a reboot the car suddenly went into gear.

This is starting to feel so very much like the first 10 months of UX 1.0 in our Lucid Air. I really thought at least the core functions of the software -- such as engaging drive gears -- would be more stable with the introduction of the Gravity.
 
The charging status of the car has changed, and the app now says it is Plug and Charge ready for the Tesla network. Pretty quick from a support perspective.
 
Having taken the back off my key to reset it, I see that the entry and authorization system supplier is Marquardt (https://www.marquardt.com/). They're another 100 year old German company that specializes in a few things -- switches, pumps, and entry/access control. You'd think that someone who does building access control would make vehicle access control systems and vice-versa, but these companies still remain very siloed by industry... I can't explain why, I suppose it's just historical. (My grandfather built a very successful business in Detroit manufacturing car window clips -- those bits that hold your window pane in place and attach to the motion mechanism. He later expanded to other parts, but that's how specialized these supply chains are.) Since Marquardt is the entry/access supplier, they're providing the key fobs, the key cards, the UWB transciever, the B-pillar and center console NFC readers, possibly a small microcontroller all those connect to, the software for it, and maybe a software library for the mobile app. When you are providing a capability, you're usually providing pretty much all of it.
That’s some fascinating info. While I can’t comment on the specifics of that, what I do know is that with the Air, so many aspects of the car were such a radical redesign of what suppliers were used to that Lucid would themselves have to send the supplier diagrams and schematics and specific instructions on how to make what they needed, sometimes with suppliers only agreeing to follow that spec if Lucid absolved them of liability since it had never been done before. We’re talking space program level engineering being handed to legacy suppliers that may not always be able to ensure the same level reliability as old tried and tested designs. So I wouldn’t be surprised if an experienced legacy supplier such as Marquardt may have some intricacies that might not completely work with Lucid’s designs (or software) as well as had been expected. There’s almost no off the shelf parts in the car. Even the A pillar retention clips are custom designed for the curtain airbag chamber and to sustain heat generated from Atmos height speaker but still release in the event of a collision. .
 
Now I am getting "Taillight Warning / Brake Light Warning" messages that I wasn't before, though. *shrug*
As I suspected, this went away after letting the vehicle sleep. Everything back to normal working order.
 
They pushed a software update (still 3.2.1) and all the keys are working again!

Now I am getting "Taillight Warning / Brake Light Warning" messages that I wasn't before, though. *shrug*

I don't know if the software is any different than the previous 3.2.1 (it installed very quickly), or if that's the only mechanism they have to force a reset of the entry/access system. Hopefully it sticks!
I see a 2:35 delay between your first message about the problem and this one. It's not great to have the vehicle out of service for that long, but it does at least demonstrate a pretty responsive customer service team.
 
I see a 2:35 delay between your first message about the problem and this one. It's not great to have the vehicle out of service for that long, but it does at least demonstrate a pretty responsive customer service team.
For sure; very happy with the service responsiveness -- but glad we haven't sold the old X yet. I have to imagine they are very on top of the key issues, given how prevalent they seem to be currently.
 
They pushed a software update (still 3.2.1) and all the keys are working again!

Now I am getting "Taillight Warning / Brake Light Warning" messages that I wasn't before, though. *shrug*

I don't know if the software is any different than the previous 3.2.1 (it installed very quickly), or if that's the only mechanism they have to force a reset of the entry/access system. Hopefully it sticks!
I had this issue and although I was told I was sent an "update", ultimately I was told it was just a reset and there is no guarantee that the issue won't happen again until they resolve the issue. The good news is that it's been two weeks and I haven't had that problem come back.
 
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