I've been doing some digging on how rear legroom is measured, and it's a quagmire.Isn't legroom the distance between the front of the rear seat and the back of the front seat?
Not strange at all. My Lamborghini Performante Spyder has an all Alcantara dash.What do people think about the Dash not being full Leather? They are using(it appears) Alcantara for the front 50% of the Dash with, I think, Leather for the back part of the Dash. I think it’s strange to have Alcantara on the dash.
Interesting. So it seems, under either standard, the height / drop is not taken into consideration.I've been doing some digging on how rear legroom is measured, and it's a quagmire.
One auto exec reported:
"There are two different SAE standards for measuring rear legroom, the L33 'Effective legroom' test, in which the front seat is placed at the appropriate distance for a driver in the 95 percentile of height, and the L34 'Maximum driver legroom' test, in which the front seat is placed all the way [back?] before measuring."
This does seem to suggest the distance measured is from the back of the front seat to the front of the back seat vertical cushion. However, one problem is that one 95th-percentile driver might prefer to be closer to for further from the steering wheel than another 95th-percentile driver . . . so it still seems somewhat subjective.
The other problem is that Lucid gives two different rear legroom figures depending on the battery pack. That wouldn't seem to change the distance from the front seat back to the rear seat back, but rather a measurement in which the vertical leg drop is a factor.
In summary . . . I have no freaking idea.
Alcantara has been a design "thing" for a while now. My Tesla has alcantara panels on its leather dash. I'm not a big fan, but it's hard not to find it on premium cars these days.What do people think about the Dash not being full Leather? They are using(it appears) Alcantara for the front 50% of the Dash with, I think, Leather for the back part of the Dash. I think it’s strange to have Alcantara on the dash.
I mentioned that very observation and comparison in my post last evening and, I actually added it to your / our list of questions prior to emailing to my Sales Reps. The anger you are feeling now I felt last evening. I actually discussed requesting a refund of our Lucid deposit with my wife and waiting for the EQS to be revealed. This morning I decided to wait and evaluate the responses we receive to our questions, together with deciding if we like and can live with any of the three exterior color options offered, before making a final decision. We have been putting off the color issue simply because if any of our other "deal breakers," e.g. the rear seat footwell / garage are in fact real issues then we don't need to deal with the color choice. The ball is in Lucid's court as they say.I just looked at the video more carefully that is posted at the head of this thread. At about the 14:10 mark you start to see clearly that the rear floorboard has no recess or foot garage. This guy says he is 6'0, and his knees are jacked way up. In fact, he comments on how uncomfortable it is, combined with the lack of space to push your foot even a bit under the front seat.
If Lucid thinks this makes the interior of this car a competitor with the spaciousness of the S Class or 7 Series, they're smoking crack. Why they couldn't at least have engineered a bit of an arch under the base of the front seat to make a little foot room is beyond me.
That, coupled with Lucid's putting a photograph of a recessed footwell on the configuration tab for the Dream Edition, smacks either of incompetence or deception, especially for a $169,000 car that many buyers will have to decide upon on the basis of the website.
The more I think about this, the angrier I'm getting. I'm at the point that I'm considering bailing on the car and just sticking with my Tesla until I see the Mercedes EQS.
Well said.I agree with all that.
However, one of the things I have most regretted with the Tesla -- which is a blast to drive -- is that when we take day trips with friends and family who visit from afar we have to switch to our Honda Odyssey because the Tesla back seat was just too uncomfortable for people in their 60's and older. Ingress and egress was difficult, and there was no room to move your legs around when they got cramped.
I'm just not sure I want to pay $169k for a car that serves no better than the Tesla for road trips. I have kept my Rivian reservation and am back to thinking about getting the R1S along with a Tesla Roadster when (if) it comes out next year. I'm also toying with a BMW M760 if I decide I really want to keep a sedan for hauling friends. The only problem with it is that, with its miserable gas mileage, you have to stop for gas every ~200 miles . . . but 60-70 year-old bladders may need to, anyway.