Dolby Atmos

This has nothing to do with Tesla. Tesla does not support atmos yet, and Model S does not have height channels, it will have to virtualize them, which is inferior to the Lucid setup

I was suspicious after Tidal customer service told me Lucid was not supported. Having a feeling/suspicion and drawing a conclusion are different things. Thank you for the track. I will test it. When the car receives stereo signals, it will up-mix them and send a signal to height channels. Those are not discrete channels like an Atmos track. It is simply up-mixing.



If Lucid is not listed on Tidal supported Atmos page, and cust service told me it is not supported, I started wondering. It sounded like we might have been dupped based on the info I got, but I am not sure since the cust serv might have been wrong. Once I hear discrete height channels, I know for sure. https://tidal.com/browse/track/243820594 Thank you for the link. Is there a 5.1.4 also? Are the 2 from 7.1.2 front height, middle height, or back height

One more thing. I never used the word dumb to refer to others' posts. I doubt Lucid dupped us; it is more likely the cust serv was wrong.
I agree. Customer service was almost certainly wrong.

If you go to Pirelli’s web site to register your tire warranty, they don’t list Lucid on their partner list, either. Doesn’t mean all our Lucids have “fake” Pirelli tires.

These lists often don’t get updated by third parties. It’s a clerical error, in other words. The Tidal rep probably never heard of Lucid and didn’t bother to check beyond looking at a pre-made list.
 
A few years back when CD players were being phased out of cars I transferred many hundreds of my favorites to a memory stick. Now I find out Lucid does not allow me to plug it in. Car companies are forcing folks little by little to subscription services….

It tried unsuccessfully to connect my Astell&Kern

Lucid does have a Bluetooth music connection available. But it only supports devices such as phones and iPads. It does not support the bluetooth headset profile (HSP), which a DAP probably uses. I’ve spent a lot of time with a Lucid customer support trying to get them to acknowledge that their Implementation is lacking. Their initial reply was that they support Bluetooth 5, as if that is all you need. I have a slew of audio to USB devices that don’t work. They have agreed to forward my ‘concerns’ up the chain.

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It would still be educational to have @LucidvsTeslaS play the above Solaris Dolby Atmos Theater Test (https://tidal.com/browse/track/243820594) in the Lucid and listen for the various channels. I can no longer try it – I'm just on the free subscription now....

Atmos works! Dolby Christmas was cool. Prince "When Doves Cry" Atmos Mix

Should we ask Lucid representatives on this forum to weigh in whether the car can actually play back Atmos? It’s a rather serious statement he’s made, that the car cannot play Atmos tracks.

Yes it does, beautifully

And you are saying that you have played the above tracks and can hear the distinct channels?

Yep, hearing singing from height and rear is so cool.
 
It says top center left, and top center right , on that track.I am on a laptop. That means that when I test in the car, both front top and back top speakers will output signal for those channels , but nothing on the "groung level"
It tried unsuccessfully to connect my Astell&Kern



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Atmos works! Dolby Christmas was cool. Prince "When Doves Cry" Atmos Mix



Yes it does, beautifully



Yep, hearing singing from height and rear is so cool.
That is great if we get real surround. I can't wait to get to my Lucid and try the Atmos tracks. I could not find any 5.1.4 test tones. Found 7.1.2. I never thought about it this way; Lucid would not allow us to use USB sticks in order to force streaming on us. I hope that is not the reason. Maybe soon we can play AAC , MP3, and even video MKV from USB, with all codecs H264, 265, and 266 etc supported.

I tried mkv on USB on Tesla.NOPE -DID NOT WORK. Just MP3 on USB
Does Tidal allow anyone to publish a track? I will figure out how to make a 5.1.4 test tone track.

Regarding Mr. Lebowski's Bluetooth sounding not too good, maybe is an incompatibility with that particular phone model. I cannot tell a difference between Bluetooth on my phone and the Tidal native app on Lucid. I am using AAC codec since Lucid does not support aptx HD.
 

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I agree. Customer service was almost certainly wrong.

If you go to Pirelli’s web site to register your tire warranty, they don’t list Lucid on their partner list, either. Doesn’t mean all our Lucids have “fake” Pirelli tires.

These lists often don’t get updated by third parties. It’s a clerical error, in other words. The Tidal rep probably never heard of Lucid and didn’t bother to check beyond looking at a pre-made list.
I thought so. Fake Atmos from Lucid would be a massive scandal. I thought cust service was 99 % wrong and Lucid 1 % dishonest-the odds. I will test Atmos 7.1.2
 
About Tesla, I am extremely curious how Atmos would sound without the actual height speakers. Elon promised an upgrade. It will just have the height channels simulated. It will be like a 5.1 sound bar 'with Atmos". Or a 3.1 sound bar is pretending to have a surround sound. It will be better than no upgrade. But nothing like the real thing.
 
It says top center left, and top center right , on that track.I am on a laptop. That means that when I test in the car, both front top and back top speakers will output signal for those channels , but nothing on the "groung level"

That is great if we get real surround. I can't wait to get to my Lucid and try the Atmos tracks. I could not find any 5.1.4 test tones. Found 7.1.2. I never thought about it this way; Lucid would not allow us to use USB sticks in order to force streaming on us. I hope that is not the reason. Maybe soon we can play AAC , MP3, and even video MKV from USB, with all codecs H264, 265, and 266 etc supported.

I tried mkv on USB on Tesla.NOPE -DID NOT WORK. Just MP3 on USB
Does Tidal allow anyone to publish a track? I will figure out how to make a 5.1.4 test tone track.

Regarding Mr. Lebowski's Bluetooth sounding not too good, maybe is an incompatibility with that particular phone model. I cannot tell a difference between Bluetooth on my phone and the Tidal native app on Lucid. I am using AAC codec since Lucid does not support aptx HD.
I, too, hope we eventually get audio over USB in the Lucid. Time will tell if that's something they can do in software, or if it's not wired for data at all. I don't believe anyone has ever gotten a definitive answer on that.

I can most definitely tell the difference between streaming over Bluetooth on my phone and the native Tidal app, though. And I'm not normally someone who considers myself to be super great at hearing the differences all the time with various codecs. My AirPods Max wirelessly streaming from my phone vs. true lossless wired headphones, for instance. I don't think I can discern that. But Tidal vs. Bluetooth in the car, especially on a track labeled with Atmos, is like night and day different to me. With the Tidal being the clear winner. Bluetooth streaming just sounds sort of "boxed in" to me. It's not bad; don't get me wrong. It's just doesn't sound like it's taking full advantage of the soundstage.
 
Personally, I’m not an “audio” buff per se with music. But I do have an Atmos home theater and dabble quite a bit in high end media. Being a bit critical on Lucid without being an expert in this department, the current sound system has been a huge let down for me. It was a noticeable step down from my previous EQS. It’s not my #1 priority in a vehicle so meh, but it’s advertised as a high selling point … one I dont believe warrants itself. Atm, if I did have the option to not pay the extra money for the upgraded sound system, I wouldn’t have.

By all means I’m not calling it bad, but branding it as high quality and “atmos” feels like a wavy hand marketing thing rather justified. Atmos and special audio is all about special metadata and proper calibration. Stuff I definitely have not heard tuned correctly in my AGT.
 
I, too, hope we eventually get audio over USB in the Lucid. Time will tell if that's something they can do in software, or if it's not wired for data at all. I don't believe anyone has ever gotten a definitive answer on that.

I can most definitely tell the difference between streaming over Bluetooth on my phone and the native Tidal app, though. And I'm not normally someone who considers myself to be super great at hearing the differences all the time with various codecs. My AirPods Max wirelessly streaming from my phone vs. true lossless wired headphones, for instance. I don't think I can discern that. But Tidal vs. Bluetooth in the car, especially on a track labeled with Atmos, is like night and day different to me. With the Tidal being the clear winner. Bluetooth streaming just sounds sort of "boxed in" to me. It's not bad; don't get me wrong. It's just doesn't sound like it's taking full advantage of the soundstage.
Atmos will sound better, of course, because you have discreet surround channels and a discreet bass channel, not an upmix from PCM stereo. But if you listen to a stereo song from Tidal on the phone through Bluetooth versus the Tidal native app on Lucid, the same 2-channel track, is that much of a difference??. Did you check your phone to ensure the AAC codec is selected, not SBC? It should be no different if Lucid supported APTX lossless and handled Bluetooth correctly. Is the Lucid hardware ever able to support better codecs? Why does a 300-dollar laptop, or a 150-dollar DAC from amazon, supports ALL codecs, while a 150k car does not?????????????? This is a question for all carmakers, not just Lucid!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Atmos will sound better, of course, because you have discreet surround channels and a discreet bass channel, not an upmix from PCM stereo. But if you listen to a stereo song from Tidal on the phone through Bluetooth versus the Tidal native app on Lucid, the same 2-channel track, is that much of a difference??. Did you check your phone to ensure the AAC codec is selected, not SBC? It should be no different if Lucid supported APTX lossless and handled Bluetooth correctly. Is the Lucid hardware ever able to support better codecs? Why does a 300-dollar laptop, or a 150-dollar DAC from amazon, supports ALL codecs, while a 150k car does not?????????????? This is a question for all carmakers, not just Lucid!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m 99% positive that you will loose spacial object metadata over Bluetooth with an iPhone. Apple has terminologies all around the settings for lossless/atmos denoting that it will only communicate through their devices due to non standard protocol connections they do. To my knowledge, you cannot properly send atmos over a standard Bluetooth protocol connection with everything in tact today.
 

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Personally, I’m not an “audio” buff per se with music. But I do have an Atmos home theater and dabble quite a bit in high end media. Being a bit critical on Lucid without being an expert in this department, the current sound system has been a huge let down for me. It was a noticeable step down from my previous EQS. It’s not my #1 priority in a vehicle so meh, but it’s advertised as a high selling point … one I dont believe warrants itself. Atm, if I did have the option to not pay the extra money for the upgraded sound system, I wouldn’t have.

By all means I’m not calling it bad, but branding it as high quality and “atmos” feels like a wavy hand marketing thing rather justified. Atmos and special audio is all about special metadata and proper calibration. Stuff I definitely have not heard tuned correctly in my AGT.
When I said my Tesla S bass sounded better than Lucid, I was attacked. I am afraid you are next. HOW DO YOU DARE SAY THAT ANOTHER CAR'S SOUND IS BETTER THAN LUCID??

I am OK with being attacked though since I believe in unrestricted free speech. Lucid sound system is very nice, but for the price I paid could have been better
 
When I said my Tesla S bass sounded better than Lucid, I was attacked. I am afraid you are next. HOW DO YOU DARE SAY THAT ANOTHER CAR'S SOUND IS BETTER THAN LUCID??

I am OK with being attacked though since I believe in unrestricted free speech. Lucid sound system is very nice, but for the price I paid could have been better
Well, Tesla’s sound system is bottom barrel 😅. But I do understand your point. I know there have been audio specialists in the forum who have taken the time to do some proper analysis and I do think Lucid has good hardware. They need to tweak around and get the software/tuning in place which I still strongly believe isn’t there. They literally make it difficult to judge the capabilities of the system as we’re limited entirely by Lucid’s Tidal app implementation.
 
When I said my Tesla S bass sounded better than Lucid, I was attacked. I am afraid you are next. HOW DO YOU DARE SAY THAT ANOTHER CAR'S SOUND IS BETTER THAN LUCID??

I am OK with being attacked though since I believe in unrestricted free speech. Lucid sound system is very nice, but for the price I paid could have been better
Personally, I’m not an “audio” buff per se with music. But I do have an Atmos home theater and dabble quite a bit in high end media. Being a bit critical on Lucid without being an expert in this department, the current sound system has been a huge let down for me. It was a noticeable step down from my previous EQS. It’s not my #1 priority in a vehicle so meh, but it’s advertised as a high selling point … one I dont believe warrants itself. Atm, if I did have the option to not pay the extra money for the upgraded sound system, I wouldn’t have.

By all means I’m not calling it bad, but branding it as high quality and “atmos” feels like a wavy hand marketing thing rather justified. Atmos and special audio is all about special metadata and proper calibration. Stuff I definitely have not heard tuned correctly in my AGT.
So you got the Grand Touring, Atmos included? I got touring and paid extra. How much better the EQS sound system sounds?
 
Well, Tesla’s sound system is bottom barrel 😅. But I do understand your point. I know there have been audio specialists in the forum who have taken the time to do some proper analysis and I do think Lucid has good hardware. They need to tweak around and get the software/tuning in place which I still strongly believe isn’t there. They literally make it difficult to judge the capabilities of the system as we’re limited entirely by Lucid’s Tidal app implementation.
Which Tesla are you referring to?

The old tesla models have a crappy audio system, those without a sub. The newer ones are pretty good. I had a loaner, an old model, that was mediocre. Mine is with the side cameras and sub, is OK
 
So you got the Grand Touring, Atmos included? I got touring and paid extra. How much better the EQS sound system sounds?
I do have it, and it’s hard to explain in words, but I’d describe Lucid’s system as light audio similar to Emotiva lacking any real spacial fullness in balance or bass. Mercedes feels specially calibrated and has a happy balance in it like a Golden Ear system properly setup in a room. There might be software tricks they’re using there, but they also have CarPlay and more options for direct content not over Bluetooth.

Mercedes just announced a partnership to have spacial audio capabilities through Apple’s protocols.. so that’s another bump in software.
 
This is what I have, just like 3 and Y . I have the S

 
I do have it, and it’s hard to explain in words, but I’d describe Lucid’s system as light audio similar to Emotiva lacking any real spacial fullness in balance or bass. Mercedes feels specially calibrated and has a happy balance in it like a Golden Ear system properly setup in a room. There might be software tricks they’re using there, but they also have CarPlay and more options for direct content not over Bluetooth.

Mercedes just announced a partnership to have spacial audio capabilities through Apple’s protocols.. so that’s another bump in software.
Why can't they have Dirac correction?
 
I do have it, and it’s hard to explain in words, but I’d describe Lucid’s system as light audio similar to Emotiva lacking any real spacial fullness in balance or bass. Mercedes feels specially calibrated and has a happy balance in it like a Golden Ear system properly setup in a room. There might be software tricks they’re using there, but they also have CarPlay and more options for direct content not over Bluetooth.

Mercedes just announced a partnership to have spacial audio capabilities through Apple’s protocols.. so that’s another bump in software.
 
When I said my Tesla S bass sounded better than Lucid, I was attacked. I am afraid you are next. HOW DO YOU DARE SAY THAT ANOTHER CAR'S SOUND IS BETTER THAN LUCID??

I am OK with being attacked though since I believe in unrestricted free speech. Lucid sound system is very nice, but for the price I paid could have been better
Let's not play victim, okay? You weren't attacked for saying Tesla's bass is better than the Lucid. You were sharply criticized because people couldn't make heads or tails of your argument. And many were more than a bit taken aback by someone joining a community and then immediately trying to mansplain audio to them.

You'll find how you approach expressing your opinion matters quite a bit here. Just as it would with any group of people in a room.
 
This has nothing to do with Tesla. Tesla does not support atmos yet, and Model S does not have height channels, it will have to virtualize them, which is inferior to the Lucid setup

I was suspicious after Tidal customer service told me Lucid was not supported. Having a feeling/suspicion and drawing a conclusion are different things. Thank you for the track. I will test it. When the car receives stereo signals, it will up-mix them and send a signal to height channels. Those are not discrete channels like an Atmos track. It is simply up-mixing.



If Lucid is not listed on Tidal supported Atmos page, and cust service told me it is not supported, I started wondering. It sounded like we might have been dupped based on the info I got, but I am not sure since the cust serv might have been wrong. Once I hear discrete height channels, I know for sure. https://tidal.com/browse/track/243820594 Thank you for the link. Is there a 5.1.4 also? Are the 2 from 7.1.2 front height, middle height, or back height

One more thing. I never used the word dumb to refer to others' posts. I doubt Lucid dupped us; it is more likely the cust serv was wrong.
Tidal customer service told you that Lucid is not supported for their service. This is obviously incorrect, because we all have Tidal in our cars. Probably she simply looked up a list of cars that have Tidal and did not find Lucid on it because said list was old and not yet updated. This has nothing to do with Atmos.
 
When I said my Tesla S bass sounded better than Lucid, I was attacked. I am afraid you are next. HOW DO YOU DARE SAY THAT ANOTHER CAR'S SOUND IS BETTER THAN LUCID??

I am OK with being attacked though since I believe in unrestricted free speech. Lucid sound system is very nice, but for the price I paid could have been better
I asked you to stop with your conspiracy theories and ridiculous accusations. You were not attacked because you felt that your Lucid did not perform as well as another vehicle in the audio department. Many people jumped on you because you went freaking crazy with long rants and numerous pictures of audio equipment that has nothing to do with Lucid, or any car. Your sentence quoted above with your caps lock key on is an example of this behavior.

If you read the forum guidelines, you will find that we discuss internet "tone" quite a bit. You might try to moderate your tone because it comes across as brash and arrogant. Here's the pertinent portion:
Second, a quick word regarding internet “tone.” Admittedly, it isn't easy to control your tone of voice and how you sound on the internet. Even when setting out with the best of intentions, it’s easy to lapse into clichéd communication styles and appear, when read, as overly negative, overly positive, or overly anything else.
At Lucid Owners forum, we are trying very hard to maintain a neighborly feel. When writing a post, try your best to “speak” as if you are face-to-face with the person or group to whom you are speaking. Imagine you are talking directly to the person who designed the part of the car about which you are complaining. Try to use the same tone and respect you would in those situations.
Certainly, as with any vehicle, there will be problems, large and small; no vehicle or company is ever perfect. In these situations, it is especially important to strive to make your post informative and helpful to others, as opposed to a “rant.” We encourage you to share both good and bad experiences with the car with facts and details and not just opinions. Statements like “I am a Lucid supporter and want Lucid to succeed” do not balance out overly negative posts; these statements come across as insincere. Also, while it is highly encouraged to post recommendations on ways to improve the vehicles, please refrain from telling Lucid what they should do or how they should run their business; “armchair CEO” comments are widespread on the internet and nearly always missing nuance. Unless you have run a large auto manufacturer, it is very easy to lose the forest for the trees, and there are likely many challenges one is not aware of unless actually in the role. It is easy to forget there are thousands of real people working very hard to design, build, sell, and service Lucid vehicles. Please keep them in mind when you're about to write something negative.
Excessive negativity, sweeping generalizations, unsubstantiated statements, and misinformation are strongly discouraged and may result in your posts being removed or edited, and, in extreme situations or after repeated warnings, the poster being banned.

The moderators have never banned anyone from this forum.

I myself have had no problem calling out Lucid for missing features, buggy software, etc. But I try to do it as if the Lucid folks are actually reading my post and might take it as constructive criticism as opposed to accusations. I'm not sure if you are equally abrasive in real life; I hope not.
 
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