Car and Driver rates Lucid No. 1 in “Who makes the best cars”

The top rated brands pay the most to use the licensing. Lucid and Rivian are rated highest in this article. You can love your Lucid, but it is no way Lucid is 10/10 and Rivian a 9/10 manufacturer. Both of these are rated the lowest in reliability by a number of others. No question they have paid for these ratings.
 
It is like wine spectator magazine. You pay to play. These ratings don’t mean anything
Receipts? Evidence? Perhaps even proof? At the risk of sounding the cynic, is there ANY chance, at all, that you will produce any of the aforementioned? Opinions are, of course, fine, as far as they go but they NEVER determined, for example, the speed of light. Science, driven by inquiry and evidence, is what is needed. Got any?
 
I'm surprised Claude didn't tell you that award licensing is not the same as pay-to-play ranking. Award licensing is monetizing award badges only after a rankings are earned through a separate process. No matter who ends up on their top 10 list, they have to pay to advertise that award - that's the licensing award part.
If the first place manufacturer does not want to pay, they will just move on to promoting the next one until they pay. There is a conflict of interest between the consulting and sales here. Lucid getting 10/10 proves it. Read the forums. If a 10/10 company has this many issues, what would a 5/10 manufacturer be?
 
Receipts? Evidence? Perhaps even proof? At the risk of sounding the cynic, is there ANY chance, at all, that you will produce any of the aforementioned? Opinions are, of course, fine, as far as they go but they NEVER determined, for example, the speed of light. Science, driven by inquiry and evidence, is what is needed. Got any?
Lucid rated 10/10 is the evidence.
 
Car & Driver has always been very favorable to Lucid. This ranking is a bit skewed though because it is based on rankings across the entire model lineup, and the other makers obviously have a lot more models than Lucid. Not taking anything away from Lucid because they give both the Air and Gravity a 10, but any car brand with various models across the pricing structure will have a harder time getting all 10s.
I use Car and Driver reviews as a point of reference (among others), because I normalize for their well demonstrated preferences and aversions. With that perspective I can report that a Car and Driver vehicle rating is by default based on testing the vehicle, not living with it. As such, for example, they don't consider reliability and maintenance in their ratings.

If true, then a 10/10 rating from them just means that they were smitten by the vehicle's performance and character during testing.

Elsewhere, they do other kinds of evaluation: instrumented tests, long term use (that specifically considers reliability, maintenance and ease of use), and subjective driving tests expressed as narrative.

In Car and Driver's usage, therefore, "the best cars" means 'that we like to drive', not 'that owners are happy with'.

On the bright side, I've noticed that they will as soon give a 10/10 rating to an econobox they like as to a hyper-luxury vehicle. Whereas this could mean that they weight heavily for fitness for purpose, I have long believed that Car and Driver simply likes certain driving characteristics enough to give them precedence wherever they're found.
 
Lol this is ridiculous. Car and Driver had a long term Air (40k miles). They liked it a lot. That's why they gave it a 10/10. They also liked the Gravity a lot, though that was just a short term hands-on test. Car and Driver is a magazine, so their journalists are paid to have opinions. That doesn't mean you have to agree with them, but that also doesn't mean that any opinions they have are paid for because you disagree with them.
 
Lol this is ridiculous. Car and Driver had a long term Air (40k miles). They liked it a lot. That's why they gave it a 10/10. They also liked the Gravity a lot, though that was just a short term hands-on test. Car and Driver is a magazine, so their journalists are paid to have opinions. That doesn't mean you have to agree with them, but that also doesn't mean that any opinions they have are paid for because you disagree with them.
You will see Lucid using this rating in their ads soon. Car and driver knows this. If they were a responsible publication, they will research and rate the vehicle appropriately or not allow the manufacturer to use this in their marketing. When you rate a company 10/10 and claim to be a responsible publication, you need to do more research in the performance, reliability and ownership experience etc. this is 100% paid.
 
If you have owned or ran any business, you would know all of these ratings are paid for.
But if you work in the auto industry and know some of the staff and writers you know that they aren't.
 
Yeah, they have pay them a licensing fee if they want to use the award in advertising…..doesn’t mean they paid to get the award…..please don’t spread trash like this…..
When I was in GM's Powertrain Group we would have mortgaged grandchildren to get our engines listed in Wards 10 Best Engines or placed on the list for World Engine of the Year. Engineers busted their asses working to optimize product to qualify for and win those awards. Once we W-O-N any of those awards it was a no-brainer as to whether or not we would pay the licensing fees to be able to advertise the fact that WE...FREAKIN'...DID THAT!! It's an absolute insult to the hard working engineers and manufacturing teams (you not only have to engineer it right, you have to build it right too) who put in the hard work to even get considered.
 
You will see Lucid using this rating in their ads soon. Car and driver knows this. If they were a responsible publication, they will research and rate the vehicle appropriately or not allow the manufacturer to use this in their marketing. When you rate a company 10/10 and claim to be a responsible publication, you need to do more research in the performance, reliability and ownership experience etc. this is 100% paid.
Car and Driver also know that Mercedes Benz, Cadillac, BMW, and other brands will pay the licensing fee. And those companies actually have money, so...
 
Car and Driver also know that Mercedes Benz, Cadillac, BMW, and other brands will pay the licensing fee. And those companies actually have money, so...
Those companies are smarter and have better financial sense. There is no Tesla in this list because they do not sieve any money in traditional marketing.
 
When I was in GM's Powertrain Group we would have mortgaged grandchildren to get our engines listed in Wards 10 Best Engines or placed on the list for World Engine of the Year. Engineers busted their asses working to optimize product to qualify for and win those awards. Once we W-O-N any of those awards it was a no-brainer as to whether or not we would pay the licensing fees to be able to advertise the fact that WE...FREAKIN'...DID THAT!! It's an absolute insult to the hard working engineers and manufacturing teams (you not only have to engineer it right, you have to build it right too) who put in the hard work to even get considered.
Yes and you won the award for the best powertrain from someone focused on the power train. Not a 10/10 award for a deeply flawed manufacturer
 
Yes and you won the award for the best powertrain from someone focused on the power train. Not a 10/10 award for a deeply flawed manufacturer
I posed this question to my friend Nigel. He’s quite certain that Lucid didn’t pay for the rating. He then proceeded to tell me that his Lucid is an 11/10. I told him that there was no way this is possible but he insisted that his 10 point ratings went to 11.
 
Yes and you won the award for the best powertrain from someone focused on the power train. Not a 10/10 award for a deeply flawed manufacturer
Do you understand the concept of EXAMPLE versus ABSOLUTE? Would it have changed your mind if I used Motor Trend Car of the Year, World Car of the Year, or North American Car of the Year as an EXAMPLE instead? I sorta doubt it would but here we are. I used the examples I used because I was more directly involved and I absolutely know what went into it.

Also, please remember that they are rating the CAR, not the MANUFACTURER. They are describing how their experience with the CAR was. And it was apparently stellar.
 
Do you understand the concept of EXAMPLE versus ABSOLUTE? Would it have changed your mind if I used Motor Trend Car of the Year, World Car of the Year, or North American Car of the Year as an EXAMPLE instead? I sorta doubt it would but here we are. I used the examples I used because I was more directly involved and I absolutely know what went into it.

Also, please remember that they are rating the CAR, not the MANUFACTURER. They are describing how their experience with the CAR was. And it was apparently stellar.
Do you understand the meaning of CAR BRAND vs CAR?
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I posed this question to my friend Nigel. He’s quite certain that Lucid didn’t pay for the rating. He then proceeded to tell me that his Lucid is an 11/10. I told him that there was no way this is possible but he insisted that his 10 point ratings went to 11.
is Nigel someone like Hobbes, in Calvin and Hobbes?
 
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I posed this question to my friend Nigel. He’s quite certain that Lucid didn’t pay for the rating. He then proceeded to tell me that his Lucid is an 11/10. I told him that there was no way this is possible but he insisted that his 10 point ratings went to 11.
You might want to send your friend the thread from the other owner with a new Lucid whose car has been sitting at service over 60 days. I am not sure if he is digging the 11/10 experience.
 
I use Car and Driver reviews as a point of reference (among others), because I normalize for their well demonstrated preferences and aversions. With that perspective I can report that a Car and Driver vehicle rating is by default based on testing the vehicle, not living with it. As such, for example, they don't consider reliability and maintenance in their ratings.

If true, then a 10/10 rating from them just means that they were smitten by the vehicle's performance and character during testing.

Elsewhere, they do other kinds of evaluation: instrumented tests, long term use (that specifically considers reliability, maintenance and ease of use), and subjective driving tests expressed as narrative.

In Car and Driver's usage, therefore, "the best cars" means 'that we like to drive', not 'that owners are happy with'.

On the bright side, I've noticed that they will as soon give a 10/10 rating to an econobox they like as to a hyper-luxury vehicle. Whereas this could mean that they weight heavily for fitness for purpose, I have long believed that Car and Driver simply likes certain driving characteristics enough to give them precedence wherever they're found.

Exactly - it is named Car & Driver, not Car & Owner.
 
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