Camera lag/delay

[tarator]

Common sense would dictate that if someone tells you that something is not a substitute for doing your due diligence, then you know you should probably double-check. If your smoke detector doesn't immediately beep as soon as smoke starts billowing out of a fire, would you say that they should have written that in the owner's manual? OP had an accident and they said the camera lags by like 1/2 a second that's user error. Does it suck that they have to pay $1,000 to repair the damage definitely but it comes down to user error. When I scratched the rear panel on a previous vehicle with a 360 camera on a pillar I didn't reach out to the manufacturer and tell them to cough up the cost to repair it. I took it to the shop and ate the cost, and I was triply more careful parking near that pillar again.

What is the point of the camera feature if it doesn't work? And let me be clear, if something like that doesn't work "sometimes" that's the definition of "doesn't work".

Do you know what they don't say that the display might not show the reality and put that legalese nonsense?
Because they don't want to admit that their software is buggy.

 

[BS8899]

Backing up is usually a low-speed undertaking. Hence, a camera delay of 1/2 sec might be "acceptable" and users should not rely on the backup camera alone.

What about side-view cameras for lane change? There is a noticeable lag as well? And the speeds of traffic (in the side lanes) can be much faster than backing up.

Perhaps we can make the same argument, i.e., don't rely on the cameras. If so, what's the utility of these cameras?

CCD/CMOS cameras are not inherently that slow (i.e., lagging by hundreds of msecs). I'd suspect the delay is in the image processing. If so, could the camera delays be much more than 1/2sec? If so, are these cameras (side-view/backup) more of a hinderance than a help?

 

[illopp00]

I am not sure why you would expect Lucid to repair the fender. The "laggy" camera was not the cause of the car hitting the wall. Your backing up into the wall was the cause. I understand the complaint that the cameras are laggy and that you wish the sensors gave you more warning to stop. However, I don't understand your request for Lucid to repair your fender.

Was the ultrasonics registering the distance correctly? Just trying to get context to laggy, if its the actual camera view or the distance on the display. I do get about a second of lag as well; but I am moving so slowly in the garage that I would have trouble hitting anything?

 

[illopp00]

Mine were pretty reliable up until software 2.6, and now only work about half of the time. I assume this is a software problem that will be fixed eventually. The turn signal cameras I can live without, though I appreciate them. However, it is very difficult for me to pull into my garage with only 2 inches of clearance without all of the camera assistance working.

I had this problem before, you might try to get them to do remote diagnostics service. Ultimately they found a bad wire harness that was causing my blind spot and 360 to fail 90% of the time and just not load.

 

[SaaSManKS]

Regardless of any cameta lag. Wouldn't the sonar be beeping at a rapid rate along with solid tone for stopping?

did not occur for me

 

[sri]

When my camera’s lag they fail to warn me on the sensors too. I understand and agree everyones argument of this are assistive features, if not this features are advertised the decision for purchase of Lucid may be different for few.
Considering this aided features one may trust it 100% and other may still make sure manually from the mirrors. If i am in a boat of see all my mirrors 100% of the times and dont depend on this aided features, i may not have not switched my cars. I like tech and i keep switching my cars to get best tech.

 

[BS8899]

Was the ultrasonics registering the distance correctly? Just trying to get context to laggy, if its the actual camera view or the distance on the display. I do get about a second of lag as well; but I am moving so slowly in the garage that I would have trouble hitting anything?

I have a tricky maneuver to do when I park my 2022 AGT into my garage in my 2nd home because of the topography (drive way is narrow and sloped). I back my AGT into my garage space at a steep angle. While I use the backup camera as a visual guide, my AGT brakes/stops automatically (presumably, activated by the ultrasonic sensors) before I hit anything. Does yours do that? How fast were you going when backing up?

 

[borski]

Mine were pretty reliable up until software 2.6, and now only work about half of the time. I assume this is a software problem that will be fixed eventually.

Don’t. You almost certainly have a camera hardware issue, and it’s the software that likely made it show up for the first time; prior to recently, not every camera was in use. Now, all are, and so some vehicles which have never had certain cameras actively used are finding they need replacement cameras. That’s my guess here.

What is the point of the camera feature if it doesn't work? And let me be clear, if something like that doesn't work "sometimes" that's the definition of "doesn't work".

When the battery dies in your wall clock, does that mean your clock “doesn’t work?” Or does it mean that sometimes, like when the battery dies, it doesn’t work, and other times it works perfectly?

Do you know what they don't say that the display might not show the reality and put that legalese nonsense?
Because they don't want to admit that their software is buggy.

No, they say that because… the display might not show reality. It’s only legalese because it is a CYA measure, but it isn’t wrong. They are *far* from the only ones who list it in the manual.

Moreover, we are moving the goalposts significantly. At first, “the manual never said that,” and now that I showed it does, “the manual shouldn’t say that” is the response?

Perhaps the issue isn’t with the manual.

Was the ultrasonics registering the distance correctly? Just trying to get context to laggy, if it’s the actual camera view or the distance on the display. I do get about a second of lag as well; but I am moving so slowly in the garage that I would have trouble hitting anything?

This is what happens to me. Anytime the camera lags, the ultrasonic sensors work perfectly fine and beep at me. Odd if that didn’t happen here.

I back in to spots probably about 90% of the time.

 

[borski]

When my camera’s lag they fail to warn me on the sensors too. I understand and agree everyones argument of this are assistive features, if not this features are advertised the decision for purchase of Lucid may be different for few.
Considering this aided features one may trust it 100% and other may still make sure manually from the mirrors. If i am in a boat of see all my mirrors 100% of the times and dont depend on this aided features, i may not have not switched my cars. I like tech and i keep switching my cars to get best tech.

It’s not about not using it. I use it all the time. I’m not saying don’t rely on it.

I am saying treat it, like anything else, as a tool, and not a replacement for your eyes.

When you reverse, you still look over your shoulder and at your blind spots, don’t you? If not, you should.

Maybe it’s because this isn’t the first time a camera has lagged on me. It did in the last Lexus my dad owned too. He never trusted it though, so he never hit anything.

 

[BS8899]

Don’t. You almost certainly have a camera hardware issue, and it’s the software that likely made it show up for the first time; prior to recently, not every camera was in use. Now, all are, and so some vehicles which have never had certain cameras actively used are finding they need replacement cameras. That’s my guess here.


When the battery dies in your wall clock, does that mean your clock “doesn’t work?” Or does it mean that sometimes, like when the battery dies, it doesn’t work, and other times it works perfectly?


No, they say that because… the display might not show reality. It’s only legalese because it is a CYA measure, but it isn’t wrong. They are *far* from the only ones who list it in the manual.

Moreover, we are moving the goalposts significantly. At first, “the manual never said that,” and now that I showed it does, “the manual shouldn’t say that” is the response?

Perhaps the issue isn’t with the manual.


This is what happens to me. Anytime the camera lags, the ultrasonic sensors work perfectly fine and beep at me. Odd if that didn’t happen here.

I back in to spots probably about 90% of the time.

The "top view camera" is a composite image, stitched together from views of multiple cameras. As such, it is technically "not reality".

But the side view cameras should be "reality", correct?

I am more concerned about the lags in the camera views, especially in the side view cameras.

 

[borski]

But the side view cameras should be "reality", correct?

In terms of what they show you? Yes, because it isn’t a composite image.

But that doesn’t mean it is guaranteed to show everything or that it is guaranteed to show you everything in real-time.

This is why I look over my shoulders and in my mirrors, and use the blind spot cameras as a double check. @TribbleTrouble literally did not even know they appeared for the longest time, because she was looking in the correct places, and not at her screen.

Now that I’ve shown her it pops up those cameras, she still doesn’t use them. She’s probably right.

I still use them as a double check. I’ll look in them to see if I’m clear, then over my shoulder, and then I’ll glance at the cameras as I’m making the turn. I would never rely solely on the cameras.

That doesn’t make me better. It is what everyone should be doing though.

Your eyes don’t lie to you. Cameras can be delusional.

(This is, incidentally, why Tesla’s camera-only approach was always going to fail. They didn’t invent “perfectly lagless” cameras. Having multiple sensors helps here, as my ultrasonic sensors still work and beep at me the few times my camera has failed)

 

[NewLucid207]

Regardless of any cameta lag. Wouldn't the sonar be beeping at a rapid rate along with solid tone for stopping?

No - the beeping lagged as well. I got zero notification that was I about to back into the wall. I felt the jolt of hitting the wall, and then the camera/overhead caught up to real-time and then the beeping as well. Sorry, I should have clarified that the sonar beeping wasn't working either.

 

[NewLucid207]

I'm glad this chain is getting a good dialogue going and seems like people are pretty split on the topic.

1. I get the argument that the cameras/sonar/overhead are for assistance, and I usually don't rely on them solely, but I was backing up against a wall w/ parked cars on either side of me and could not really see the wall behind me. In this type of situation I guarantee nearly everyone at the point would rely on cameras/sonar help get the car into position so the lack of empathy from some is a little weird. And the cameras didn't fail, they provided bad data. If they just cut out and I couldn't use them it would be one thing, but it was literally displaying 1/2 second behind.
2. Agree that everyone needs to be civil and helpful on this forum and I ask that Moderators please abide by that as well. I find the certain Moderator's responses to be generally sarcastic and off-putting when owners make a complaint or lodge an issue with their own Lucid experience - and I'm just not just talking about this thread.

 

[borski]

I'm glad this chain is getting a good dialogue going and seems like people are pretty split on the topic.

1. I get the argument that the cameras/sonar/overhead are for assistance, and I usually don't rely on them solely, but I was backing up against a wall w/ parked cars on either side of me and could not really see the wall behind me. In this type of situation I guarantee nearly everyone at the point would rely on cameras/sonar help get the car into position so the lack of empathy from some is a little weird. And the cameras didn't fail, they provided bad data. If they just cut out and I couldn't use them it would be one thing, but it was literally displaying 1/2 second behind.

I want to be clear: I’m not blaming you. I think Lucid should fix the car so they don’t lag.

But there is a difference between that and who is at fault.

Could I have made the same mistake? Certainly. I definitely tagged a yellow parking bollard in my Mazda for *literally* the same reason. I was in a rush, the cameras decided they didn’t feel like rushing with me, and I relied on them.

Mazda told me sucks to be me and didn’t cover a thing.

1. Agree that everyone needs to be civil and helpful on this forum and I ask that Moderators please abide by that as well. I find the certain Moderator's responses to be generally sarcastic and off-putting when owners make a complaint or lodge an issue with their own Lucid experience - and I'm just not just talking about this thread.

I’m sorry if I was part of the problem. I may have had a very bad day yesterday. Hard for me to judge now, but it’s possible I was reacting too quickly and/or sarcastically.

Either way, I agree with you and the intention was there. It is never my or any mods’ goal to create or add to drama and conflict.

That said, we are human too.

Anyway, sorry for my part in it; sometimes this “job” can get very tiring, and it’s not my top priority, so when it gets not “fun,” I should take a step back instead of reacting. My bad.

 

[tarator]

Moreover, we are moving the goalposts significantly. At first, “the manual never said that,” and now that I showed it does, “the manual shouldn’t say that” is the response?

Please, don't put your own words in my mouth. I NEVER said that the manual doesn't say that. I actually HAVE READ the manual before I posted what I posted.

The fanboyism in this forum is quite annoying. I like the car, but definitely not some of the owners.

 

[borski]

Please, don't put your own words in my mouth. I NEVER said that the manual doesn't say that. I actually HAVE READ the manual before I posted what I posted.

You said it doesn’t say the cameras would lag. Fine.

The implication behind what you wrote, which is a *very short leap* is that the manual doesn’t warn you not to rely on the cameras.

If you want to make the very pedantic point that it doesn’t explicitly specify the cameras could have lag, fine, you win. I’m not sure what that proves, but that wasn’t the overall point, and pretending it was is disingenuous.

The fanboyism in this forum is quite annoying. I like the car, but definitely not some of the owners.

Please. Nobody is fanboying. I simply disagree with you.

I cannot tell you how sick and tired I am of every time one of us disagrees with you being labeled a “fanboy.”

I don’t call you a “hater.” I would appreciate having a conversation in earnest, without unnecessary name-calling or ad hominems, as they add nothing to the conversation.

If you have an argument, please make it. “Seems you like the car a lot” isn’t an argument, and is a logical fallacy.

 

[tarator]

You said it doesn’t say the cameras would lag. Fine.

The implication behind what you wrote, which is a *very short leap* is that the manual doesn’t warn you not to rely on the cameras.

If you want to make the very pedantic point that it doesn’t explicitly specify the cameras could have lag, fine, you win. I’m not sure what that proves, but that wasn’t the overall point, and pretending it was is disingenuous.


Please. Nobody is fanboying. I simply disagree with you.

I cannot tell you how sick and tired I am of every time one of us disagrees with you being labeled a “fanboy.”

I don’t call you a “hater.” I would appreciate having a conversation in earnest, without unnecessary name-calling or ad hominems, as they add nothing to the conversation.

If you have an argument, please make it. “Seems you like the car a lot” isn’t an argument, and is a logical fallacy.

If you wanted a conversation "in earnest", you would have toned down your aggressiveness and wouldn't put words in your opponents mouths.

Life is too short to deal with people like borski. I guess this forum is not for me. Saynoara.

 

[borski]

If you wanted a conversation "in earnest", you would have toned down your aggressiveness and wouldn't put words in your opponents mouths.

Life is too short to deal with people like borski. I guess this forum is not for me. Saynoara.

Wow. I did apologize earlier, but with all due respect, I am not the problem here in this conversation. Only one of us is now being aggressive toward the other.

Perhaps the issue is in your use of the term “opponent.” I’m not trying to “win” anything; least of all, whatever internet points this post or any other is worth lol. I’m trying to have a discussion about a topic; I agree that my tone earlier could have used adjustment, which is why I apologized. But it’s not about “winning” or “losing”; I have no idea what either of us would be competing for.

Moreover, I didn’t put words in your mouth. I took what you said to its logical conclusion. Did you mean something else? If so, you’re welcome to clarify and we can have that conversation. But I’m not here to “guess” at what you meant, and if I inferred incorrectly, you could clarify. That’s how discussions generally work. It’s a back and forth.

Have a nice long life. Hope to see you around. If not, have a nice, long life anyway.

Sorry you got the wrong impression.

 

[sri]

It’s not about not using it. I use it all the time. I’m not saying don’t rely on it.

I am saying treat it, like anything else, as a tool, and not a replacement for your eyes.

When you reverse, you still look over your shoulder and at your blind spots, don’t you? If not, you should.

Maybe it’s because this isn’t the first time a camera has lagged on me. It did in the last Lexus my dad owned too. He never trusted it though, so he never hit anything.

I agree. We shouldn’t depend 100% on assist features, Including FSD.

 

[borski]

No - the beeping lagged as well. I got zero notification that was I about to back into the wall. I felt the jolt of hitting the wall, and then the camera/overhead caught up to real-time and then the beeping as well. Sorry, I should have clarified that the sonar beeping wasn't working either.

Btw, this is the “more interesting” problem. That means something happened systemically, I think, since I have experienced camera lag but have never experienced the ultrasonic sensors not beeping for distance. Was it a wall you hit? Or something above/below the US sensors?

I’m really curious why this failed. You’re saying the sensors *lagged*? That’s really odd.