Every programmer with a reasonable experience knows how to make certain that no invalid data is presented to the user. Lucid should really hire some better programmers.We are. We also strongly believe in personal responsibility and not blaming a car company for all the issues that are caused by operator error.
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Negatives are not taken as positives. Open truth.
Finding similar response from my new Service Tech too. He is all ears when i praise my car but anytime i try to report an issue, he cant hear me and simple response is get is its normal.
Steering wheel creak- its normal
Rear parcel shelf make noise - its normal
Drivers side wheel clunk noise - its normal
And finally my brake failed - guess what, response is its normal since we rarely engage brakes with regen on. And it this point i stopped messaging him.
I think it goes both ways. The cameras should not be laggy and if they are, Lucid should fix them. But Lucid (or any other car company) would not and should not pay for the damage which is caused because of that, as the primary responsibility for safety is still on the driver and not on the assistive technology.
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Sorry, if it seems like I’m being overly sarcastic or cold, I don’t mean to be. It sucks to bash up your Lucid, period. I’m not giving anyone a hard time about that. That’s really crappy.
But it also isn’t Lucid’s fault, and I’m a little annoyed by the abdication of personal responsibility we often see. These are driver assistance systems, not driver replacement systems.
All of that is, again, separate from the fact that the cameras shouldn’t lag. Lucid should fix that.
But it also isn’t Lucid’s fault, and I’m a little annoyed by the abdication of personal responsibility we often see. These are driver assistance systems, not driver replacement systems.
All of that is, again, separate from the fact that the cameras shouldn’t lag. Lucid should fix that.
I strongly agree with the opening statement. I also have an intermittent lag in my backup camera. The problem is it isn't constant. Sometimes it functions normally. Other times it doesn't. I never know how it will present. I have come close to backing into things too. You don't know if you are viewing a lag or not until it's too late! I don't think it's too much to expect the car to function consistently.
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I don’t disagree with anything you said.
This almost happened to me the other day, while I do understand the pov that these are assistance tools, at what point do they become table stakes for where we are as a society? I’m not thrilled about our dependency on tech either (believe me I’m constantly fighting 3 of my 4 kids on this topic!) while I do think it’s a stretch for lucid to actually pay for the damage, I do believe they should upgrade the CPU’s for free given the trend. It’s absurd to push and push tech on people to mass adoption and then throw your hands up “oh we didn’t know it was going to do that, that’s not our fault…”
As a reasonably experienced programmer: every reasonably experienced programmer knows that making absolute statements like this is a foolish way to shoot yourself in the foot. Even the best, most experienced, most thorough and careful programmers in the world make mistakes, and a not insignificant part of being so great and experienced is that they know it. Especially in cases like this where "on some cars, sometimes, the camera display is a little bit laggy" - that's not a programmer doing a bad job. That's a set of potentially all completely acceptable decisions coming together in a way that is sometimes unacceptable. Maybe nothing even changed with the camera display, and some other thing in the background is just using more resources to do its job than before. Ideally it should be caught by QA. We can agree this problem should be fixed, and hopefully the process that allowed the problem into production in the first place can be improved along the way. The ignorant disrespect here, though, does not help anything or anyone.
Agree with the sentiment, just not the conclusion. I'd bet this is a problem that can be fixed OTA by optimizing whatever is having issues here. If not, sure, replacing a part that is causing shipped functionality to not work effectively sounds reasonable.
Now, to a more productive discussion:
I have (for the first time ever) noticed a hang in my turn signal camera feed a couple times in the past few days. For the rest of you experiencing lag or stuttering, is this new? I know there has long been some slowness if you start reversing the moment you get in the car, but at least for me, this has never lasted more than maybe 15 seconds after the car wakes up.
That's EXACTLY the programmer doing a bad job. If processing a frame takes longer than what is considered "lag" by a human, that frame shouldn't be shown on the screen at all. That's how non-essential functionality in soft real time systems operates. And yes, the programmer (and the company that pays them) should DEFINITELY care about the corner cases. Like "on some cars, sometimes". That's the difference between a good programmer, and an OK programmer.
You seem to have missed the part where I said that QA should have caught this, and that the process should be improved. You're also making an assumption, which I already commented on, that anything actually changed in the camera display software vs. something around it changing. Again, I don't disagree that the problem should be fixed, and I promise you that the company does care. Especially when feedback is given respectfully.
Not displaying rear view image within 2 seconds of putting in reverse is a violation of FMVSS 111 and Lucid has issued a recall for that in the past.
However, I didn't see any mention of any latency requirements, so I suppose it's legal to just display a static image of the rear at the time the vehicle is shifted in reverse?
I would encourage the OP to submit a NHTSA safety report.
However, I didn't see any mention of any latency requirements, so I suppose it's legal to just display a static image of the rear at the time the vehicle is shifted in reverse?
I would encourage the OP to submit a NHTSA safety report.
Totally fair suggestion, but I guess my point is since lucid isn’t/hasn’t done this, but they are offering for customers to pay ~$2k for the CPU upgrade appears to suggest no OTA applies.
I have been running into this issue a ton in my 2023 and I have reported it to lucid but no improvements still. I agree with the sentiment that you are responsible for using mirrors and such to validate but it is absolutely ridiculous the amount of latency the system has. My 2016 civic has a more reliable backup camera. I could always trust it was giving me accurate information. To me the more damming thing is the fact that the ultrasonic sensor feedback seems to be lagging behind as well so I can’t even trust the brake assist to try and assist.
Good to know. Could you take a video? Is it like that every time?
Mine were pretty reliable up until software 2.6, and now only work about half of the time. I assume this is a software problem that will be fixed eventually. The turn signal cameras I can live without, though I appreciate them. However, it is very difficult for me to pull into my garage with only 2 inches of clearance without all of the camera assistance working.
Yeah I'd get that checked out by service if it's that reproducible. If it were purely a software issue I think we'd be seeing a lot more of it. I've only heard a few people say they're still having camera issues after the curb rash alert issue was fixed. Sometimes a software update just uncovers a hardware issue that was already there.
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Common sense would dictate that if someone tells you that something is not a substitute for doing your due diligence, then you know you should probably double-check. If your smoke detector doesn't immediately beep as soon as smoke starts billowing out of a fire, would you say that they should have written that in the owner's manual? OP had an accident and they said the camera lags by like 1/2 a second that's user error. Does it suck that they have to pay $1,000 to repair the damage definitely but it comes down to user error. When I scratched the rear panel on a previous vehicle with a 360 camera on a pillar I didn't reach out to the manufacturer and tell them to cough up the cost to repair it. I took it to the shop and ate the cost, and I was triply more careful parking near that pillar again.
