Android Auto Thursday

It's referencing the top speed article which I guess is credible enough that twork commented on it
Sure, it was right in this case. But I highly recommend, in general, avoiding that site or looking for a primary source; it is wrong much more than it is right.
 
what happens on the lower screen and if lucid apps are running? Can you run AA with music on the top screen and lucid nav on the lower? can you run google maps on the upper and lucid audio on the lower?
Not really. I tried playing with different settings, but it's tough to get them to fully separate.

Cute cat picture, nice to see AA working! (I’ve heard from people that it’ll come soon too)
next Thursday? Lols.
That's Loki.
 
All it does is just show the regular car related menu on the lower screen. I think the only way you can see the other type of screens is if you exit the carplay (projecting the Android auto device) from the upper screen. It's kind of sub-optimal in that respect. In other words, I could never find a way to show the Car Play / Android Auto Device on the upper screen while showing a different type of app on the lower screen, because what's on the lower screen is dictated by what car specific sub app (nav, media) is on the upper screen. The Car Play / Android auto screen is never reflected on the lower screen.
Interesting. So I'm guessing that's how AA will work when it comes native.
 
Yep that's my expectation.
did you try playing music from the car native system and then switch to AA? does native music even play? And, I suppose even if it did, with no control screen available, it would be sub-optimal as well. hopefully they will bring a gravity split-screen experience to Air (does it have one?? I assume yes?). Funny thing is that split screen is so much of a basic requirement that I wonder why neither they nor my prior car (polestar) figured that out during design.
 
did you try playing music from the car native system and then switch to AA? does native music even play? And, I suppose even if it did, with no control screen available, it would be sub-optimal as well. hopefully they will bring a gravity split-screen experience to Air (does it have one?? I assume yes?). Funny thing is that split screen is so much of a basic requirement that I wonder why neither they nor my prior car (polestar) figured that out during design.
Yes. You can play music from the car's native system. You need to enter the music screen in the upper screen to select and play the music. Once you do so, you can then enter the Apple CarPlay (in my case the Android Auto adapter) screen via the home icon in the upper screen. Once you switch back to the Apple CarPlay screen, the only place you can see what music track is playing is on the right side of the screen behind the dash.

Similarly, if you want to use the native car navigation, you need to switch to the nav menu in the upper screen, select the destination there or via the lower screen, and then switch nack to Apple Carplay. You can see the directions on the right side of the display behind the screering wheel.

The only drag with all of this is that the lower screen doesn't show anything but the car menu when you are looking at the Apple CarPlay portion of the upper screen. So you can't see the native music track or nav on the lower screen at all while the Apple CarPlay screen is displayed.
 
Yes. You can play music from the car's native system. You need to enter the music screen in the upper screen to select and play the music. Once you do so, you can then enter the Apple CarPlay (in my case the Android Auto adapter) screen via the home icon in the upper screen. Once you switch back to the Apple CarPlay screen, the only place you can see what music track is playing is on the right side of the screen behind the dash.

Similarly, if you want to use the native car navigation, you need to switch to the nav menu in the upper screen, select the destination there or via the lower screen, and then switch nack to Apple Carplay. You can see the directions on the right side of the display behind the screering wheel.

The only drag with all of this is that the lower screen doesn't show anything but the car menu when you are looking at the Apple CarPlay portion of the upper screen. So you can't see the native music track or nav on the lower screen at all while the Apple CarPlay screen is displayed.
Yeah that was the hope that you could use a car app, show it on the lower screen, then start carplay AA on the upper. At least it's something. Ok, we'll see how often I use AA when it is released native.
 
Happy Android Auto Thursday!!!!

Just remember that "According to Scripture, patience isn't just a virtue, but a mission of love." — Sharon Hodde Miller
 
Has any one been able to get AA working with proper screen scaling using a car play dongle OTHER THAN CarLinkit AI Box? In particular, any of the following 3 dongles?

I was able to get the third model on my list above to work. At a promotional discount of 40% from the list price of $69, it was a much lower cost and functional alternative than the 3.0 CarlinKit Ai Box.

As for the dongle itself, the initial setup was quick, the LCD scaling is proper and identical to native Car Play, the connection is stable, and there is very little to no latency after the unit initially connects. Connection persistence is good, it auto connects every time the car power is turned on. Phone, Musicolet (music player), Google Maps apps, and othe AA apps all work as expected. The only issue that I see is that Night mode in Google Maps does not persist albeit I have set it up to Night mode on my phone's AA app, but the dark mode in other apps persist. I don't really use Google Maps and prefer the native navigation of the car as it makes full use of cockpit LCD panel real state instead of running in a sub rectangle similar to native Apple Car Play. Other restrictions previously reported are there, i.e., you cannot use the pilot LCD to extend either AA or Car Play. However, I am able to run apps other than Google Maps for example Musicolet on AA, then switch to native navigation as well as other native apps and they all function as expected. The dongle comes with built-in Netflix and Youtube and both apps function for as long as you connect the dongle to a network hotspot.

Keeping my fingers crossed when Lucid releases AA, it takes full advantage of LCD cockpit panel but that remains to be seen.
 
I was able to get the third model on my list above to work. At a promotional discount of 40% from the list price of $69, it was a much lower cost and functional alternative than the 3.0 CarlinKit Ai Box.

As for the dongle itself, the initial setup was quick, the LCD scaling is proper and identical to native Car Play, the connection is stable, and there is very little to no latency after the unit initially connects. Connection persistence is good, it auto connects every time the car power is turned on. Phone, Musicolet (music player), Google Maps apps, and othe AA apps all work as expected. The only issue that I see is that Night mode in Google Maps does not persist albeit I have set it up to Night mode on my phone's AA app, but the dark mode in other apps persist. I don't really use Google Maps and prefer the native navigation of the car as it makes full use of cockpit LCD panel real state instead of running in a sub rectangle similar to native Apple Car Play. Other restrictions previously reported are there, i.e., you cannot use the pilot LCD to extend either AA or Car Play. However, I am able to run apps other than Google Maps for example Musicolet on AA, then switch to native navigation as well as other native apps and they all function as expected. The dongle comes with built-in Netflix and Youtube and both apps function for as long as you connect the dongle to a network hotspot.

Keeping my fingers crossed when Lucid releases AA, it takes full advantage of LCD cockpit panel but that remains to be seen.
Very interesting and not expensive! What do you find the benefits to be? One would be running Google maps on an easy to see screen (vs cup holder mount for my phone). Another is your music player. Besides those, what do you find it adds? (Serious question, not trolling here). I'm fully into the Android and Google ecosystem but without an ability to drop a native lucid app onto the lower screen, I really wonder how much I'll use it (assuming it's similar to carplay). What are your thoughts?
 
Keeping my fingers crossed when Lucid releases AA, it takes full advantage of LCD cockpit panel but that remains to be seen.
It'd be nice but I'm not going to hold my breath. And I'd rather SOMETHING get released sooner rather than waiting longer for that feature.

Mostly I just want to be able to better control my YouTube Music player (see album art, select playlists/stations, thumbs up/down songs) and use Waze.
 
I was able to get the third model on my list above to work. At a promotional discount of 40% from the list price of $69, it was a much lower cost and functional alternative than the 3.0 CarlinKit Ai Box.

As for the dongle itself, the initial setup was quick, the LCD scaling is proper and identical to native Car Play, the connection is stable, and there is very little to no latency after the unit initially connects. Connection persistence is good, it auto connects every time the car power is turned on. Phone, Musicolet (music player), Google Maps apps, and othe AA apps all work as expected. The only issue that I see is that Night mode in Google Maps does not persist albeit I have set it up to Night mode on my phone's AA app, but the dark mode in other apps persist. I don't really use Google Maps and prefer the native navigation of the car as it makes full use of cockpit LCD panel real state instead of running in a sub rectangle similar to native Apple Car Play. Other restrictions previously reported are there, i.e., you cannot use the pilot LCD to extend either AA or Car Play. However, I am able to run apps other than Google Maps for example Musicolet on AA, then switch to native navigation as well as other native apps and they all function as expected. The dongle comes with built-in Netflix and Youtube and both apps function for as long as you connect the dongle to a network hotspot.

Keeping my fingers crossed when Lucid releases AA, it takes full advantage of LCD cockpit panel but that remains to be seen.
Thanks SoCal. You have done a good deed!
 
It'd be nice but I'm not going to hold my breath. And I'd rather SOMETHING get released sooner rather than waiting longer for that feature.

Mostly I just want to be able to better control my YouTube Music player (see album art, select playlists/stations, thumbs up/down songs) and use Waze.
By the way, you can turn on album art already. There's a thread somewhere in forum. Basically you turn on developer options on your phone and change the Bluetooth MAP mode. Mine is MAP 1.4 and my AVRCP version is 1.6. it took my phone and / or my car a reboot and maybe a disconnect and reconnect to the car, but now the album art works when I have Bluetooth as the music source. It's much better with the art.
 
By the way, you can turn on album art already. There's a thread somewhere in forum. Basically you turn on developer options on your phone and change the Bluetooth MAP mode. Mine is MAP 1.4 and my AVRCP version is 1.6. it took my phone and / or my car a reboot and maybe a disconnect and reconnect to the car, but now the album art works when I have Bluetooth as the music source. It's much better with the art.
Thanks I'll give that a shot.
 
Very interesting and not expensive! What do you find the benefits to be? One would be running Google maps on an easy to see screen (vs cup holder mount for my phone). Another is your music player. Besides those, what do you find it adds? (Serious question, not trolling here). I'm fully into the Android and Google ecosystem but without an ability to drop a native lucid app onto the lower screen, I really wonder how much I'll use it (assuming it's similar to carplay). What are your thoughts?
I come from Maserati and Porsche and I've been hooked hot and heavy to AA for few years. But those cars support AA/Car Play natively while using standard rectangular LCD screens.

As for the apps, most obvious important apps are maps/navigation, live calls and messaging including those on cellular, WhatsApp, and Signal. Beside those, my most important are the audio apps.

I still think Google Maps is a better choice than the Native Here app on Lucid, it is more accurate, redirects better, and seamlessly transfers from the phone to the car. However and as noted earlier, leaving parts of LCD unused is unacceptable to me. LCD real estate is just too precious to be left unused! Because of that, I prefer to compromise and use the native nav app instead of AA Google Maps.

I use Musicolet to play songs stored on my phone, listen to Audible and Libby audio books, and Spotify podcasts. Initially, I re-tagged and lined up my MP3 songs on a USB-A thumbnail and plugged that into the car port, but I was not happy with the rudimentary native media player missing search features in different languages, sorting per directory structures, queue control, etc. i can say there are also limitations with the native spotify app.

See my reply below about my thoughts related to the use of multiple screens.
 
It'd be nice but I'm not going to hold my breath. And I'd rather SOMETHING get released sooner rather than waiting longer for that feature.

Mostly I just want to be able to better control my YouTube Music player (see album art, select playlists/stations, thumbs up/down songs) and use Waze.
Yes, I agree. It appears that Lucid AA release will function similar to Car Play and it will cut out a rectangle on the cockpit LCD leaving parts of it unused. And it will not allow for extending to the pilot screen. I hear from Lucid Studio reps here in OC CA that running multiple apps on cockpit and pilot screen is the most sought after feature from the Lucid user community and their developers are well aware of it. We just have to wait and see when/if that happens. As a person with development bakground, I dream of Lucid and other car companies openings some hooks for third party extensions so that many of these requests can be realized and offered thru user communities. Oh well.

Back to the main topic. If we make the status quo assumption above, the current dongles provide the same functionality as a native Lucid AA feature with one exception. The dongles that work on Lucid cars are mostly 3-in-1 units meaning that they run their own Android OS and use their own GPS+Glonass chipsets. This is the case of CarlinKit Ai Box that others have used and Flogcexs dongle that I have used. When that is the case, the accuracy of positioning in Google Maps is at the mercy of the built-in chipsets. The native Lucid Here nav app, to the contrary uses the car's GPS which is likely to be more accurate. It is just the app itself not as powerful as Google Maps and is not integrated with Waze. So it becomes a preference choice, native Here app using the full cockpit screen and mirrored to pilot screen with better GPS accuracy or the better Google Maps using partial cockpit screen and the dongle GPS+Glonass chipsets. For me, the choice is the former. For the others, the choice may be the latter.

BTW, the album art worked right of the bat on my device and no changes were required. Possibly, because dev options were already turned on and the Bluetooth MAP mode already matched. I'll take a look.
 
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