Air Pure standard equipment

[level]

Ooh, this is taking the thread off course, but wouldn't it be great if Lucid was able to disable one of the motors on the highway or on an eco mode?

Great idea, I'd love to have an awd/rwd switch

 

[Spin Doctor]

Ooh, this is taking the thread off course, but wouldn't it be great if Lucid was able to disable one of the motors on the highway or on an eco mode?

I'd be surprised if this isn't already implemented - Tesla have been doing it since 2015.

 

[MikeTz]

Ooh, this is taking the thread off course, but wouldn't it be great if Lucid was able to disable one of the motors on the highway or on an eco mode?

I'd be surprised if this isn't already implemented - Tesla have been doing it since 2015.

If I am not mistaken Lucid uses Permanent Magnet motors. PM motors create cogging torque as the permanent magnets are always magnetized and create a drag. Switching to FWD, the driving motors may have to overcome the loss created by the drag created by the rear motors. At one point Peter mentioned that Lucid motors use Permanent Magnets but they do behave like synchronous motors. Not sure how Lucid can get PM motors to behave like SMs.

 

[SDHacker]

If I am not mistaken Lucid uses Permanent Magnet motors. PM motors create cogging torque as the permanent magnets are always magnetized and create a drag. Switching to FWD, the driving motors may have to overcome the loss created by the drag created by the rear motors. At one point Peter mentioned that Lucid motors use Permanent Magnets but they do behave like synchronous motors. Not sure how Lucid can get PM motors to behave like SMs

I think you are referring to Asynch motors as the one that would "turn off". Lucid would have had to use PMSM in the back and Asynch in the front to be able to turn off or free idle the front motor. To be able to switch FWD/RWD/AWD, both motors would need to be asynch. PMSM yields the smallest form factor, higher effiency and higher potential power which explains why Lucid went that direction. I think the other manufacturers that offer AWD/RWD capability all have PMSM motors in the rear and asynch in the front. From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be much benefit in idling the asynch motor.

 

[hydbob]

I think you are referring to Asynch motors as the one that would "turn off". Lucid would have had to use PMSM in the back and Asynch in the front to be able to turn off or free idle the front motor. To be able to switch FWD/RWD/AWD, both motors would need to be asynch. PMSM yields the smallest form factor, higher effiency and higher potential power which explains why Lucid went that direction. I think the other manufacturers that offer AWD/RWD capability all have PMSM motors in the rear and asynch in the front. From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be mu benefit in idling the asynch motor.

So what you guys are saying is that they can't idle a motor for more efficiency or be able to swap from AWD to FWD/RWD with a push of a button?

 

[limtless]

So what you guys are saying is that they can't idle a motor for more efficiency or be able to swap from AWD to FWD/RWD with a push of a button?

I guess I am missing the point on why this needed. They have different driving modes you can select so they have different modifications for the car on power and efficiency. They do something right?

 

[hydbob]

I guess I am missing the point on why this needed. They have different driving modes you can select so they have different modifications for the car on power and efficiency. They do something right?

Well, I would guess that at highway speeds, there is no need for 2 motors to be engaged full time. You SHOULD gain some efficiency if 1 is able to spin freely instead of needing to be magnetized the full time. Just a guess though, I know nothing of the physics involved in these things, but I would love to learn about it!

 

[HRoussel]

The following electro-mechanical clutch is used by Rivian to disconnect the two rear motors when using "conserve" mode.

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I'm not sure if the exact same device is used by the Koreans (Kia/Hyundai) in their recent EVs but they also have some kind of clutch to disengage one motor.

 

[Steveinarizona]

Well, I would guess that at highway speeds, there is no need for 2 motors to be engaged full time. You SHOULD gain some efficiency if 1 is able to spin freely instead of needing to be magnetized the full time. Just a guess though, I know nothing of the physics involved in these things, but I would love to learn about it!

I Agree. I can drive on the highway at up to 80+ mph using the pure electric mode on my BMW 530e PHEV and the electric motor is only 111 HP. Maintaining high speed doesn't take much power. The question to me is how smooth and quick is the transition from one to two motors if needed?

 

[AIR.LUCID]

I'm editing the list @Stevepatek put together from his SA for the Touring removing what is not on the Pure:

• Standard 480hp with 406 miles of range. Rear Wheel Drive.
• Standard 19" range wheels
• Stellar White and Infinite Black are standard no-cost colors.
• Standard Independent Front 5-Link Suspension and Rear Integral-Link Suspension with Semi-Active Dampers.
• Rack & Pinion Electronic Power Steering with Speed Sensitive Assist.
• Four-Wheel Anti-Lock Braking System with Electronic Brake Force Distribution | Power-Assisted Front & Rear Ventilated Disc Brakes with Automatic Regeneration.
• 756v Charging System.
• Standard Adaptive LED Front Lighting System with Daytime Signature LED Lighting and Charging Status Indication.
• Standard Soft-Close Doors.
• Standard Heated Precision Windshield Wipers.
• Standard Metal Roof with Q4 availability.
• Standard Personalized Driver Profiles with Facial Recognition (5 Saved + Guest Profiles).
• Power Open/Close Front Trunk and Rear Trunk Closures.
• Mojave Purluxe.
• Standard 14-Way Power Adjustable Front Seats with Memory. Heated Front Seats with Heated Rear Seats and Heated Steering Wheel.
• Standard Configurable Interior Ambient Lighting.
• Standard Cabin HEPA Filtration.
• Standard 12-Speaker 500-Watt Audio System (Q4 Availability).
• Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility and Amazon Alexa Voice Integration.
• Standard 3-Years of Complimentary Charging through Electrify America when reserved before June 30th 2022.
• DreamDrive (base) ADAS System.

DreamDrive - Driver Monitoring System (Includes Distracted Driver Alert & Drowsy Driver Alert)
- Front & Rear Cross Traffic Protection
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Forward Collision Warning
- Blind Spot Warning - Lane Departure Protection
- Rear Pedestrian Collision Protection
- Highway Assist (Includes Lane Centering Control & Traffic Jam Assist)
- Adaptive Cruise Control with Speed Limit Assist
- Traffic Drive-Off Alert
- Traffic Sign Recognition
- High Beam Assist
- Automatic Park In & Out (Parallel & Perpendicular)
- Park Distance Warning - Park Comfort Braking
- Rear View Monitoring

Note the lack of 360 surround view and blind spot display

0 - 60 in 3.8 seconds with summer performance tires

We also know that some of the interior materials is downgraded from the GT (no alcantara and different grade leather) and it may be that it is downgraded further from the Touring.

Are there any updates to this list of Pure standard equipment? Does it indeed include seat adjustment memory? Sunshades? Driver profiles?

Thanks.

 

[AIR.LUCID]

The Pure won’t have sunshades according to the configurator. Too bad. Still going to buy it.

 

[joec]

The Pure won’t have sunshades according to the configurator. Too bad. Still going to buy it.

Hmm. Interesting. Didn’t see that before. The rear doors appear to still have the slots on the Pure configurator, so maybe just the rear window sunshade won’t be there?

 

[MorganB]

The Pure won’t have sunshades according to the configurator. Too bad. Still going to buy it.

Have you rotated the view to look at the headliner? Its basically filled in where the glass is on the other trims with a giant cross member running through the middle and a bulge for the light bar. It looks really strange. Do you think it will look like that in production? I also noticed the rear climate control does have the "seat" option which would imply that the seats are heated. I'm not sure how much detail we can really glean from these CGI renderings unfortunately.

 

[AIR.LUCID]

Have you rotated the view to look at the headliner? Its basically filled in where the glass is on the other trims with a giant cross member running through the middle and a bulge for the light bar. It looks really strange. Do you think it will look like that in production? I also noticed the rear climate control does have the "seat" option which would imply that the seats are heated. I'm not sure how much detail we can really glean from these CGI renderings unfortunately.

Strange that they would put such little effort into design images/mock-ups. Such precision everywhere else.

 

[MorganB]

Strange that they would put such little effort into design images/mock-ups. Such precision everywhere else.

It's frustrating. As you spotted they clearly put the effort into the rear deck in the Pure by deleting the slot for the window shade and also removing some of the speaker grills. I suppose accuracy depends on when the CGI was created and if they go back and update it often based on additional details. Maybe the headliner will look like that . The big bump in the middle could be structural but I would have thought their would be structural modifications for a solid roof but who knows!

I have time to decide and hope they will give more precise details before asking for orders. I am ready to know now though haha.

 

[joec]

Strange that they would put such little effort into design images/mock-ups. Such precision everywhere else.

I've watched these pages get updated over time, and I do think it may be a matter of which information is given when. I think the Pure has been evolving for many months, as they make decisions about what to include and what not to include. Supply constraints and pricing has probably led to some changing of heart about certain features to include.

I don't think the 3D team on the web site necessarily always has up-to-the-minute information about these things. My guess is the 3D models do get updated periodically internally as they decide on what to include and what not to include, and then those updated 3D renderings go to the web team later. I trust the hardware rendering to be accurate much more than the software, for sure. The dashboard on the Touring, for instance, does show the lack of Alcantara.

The software screens in all of these renderings are definitely just generic UI, based on the GT/Dream. The Touring's Pilot Panel shows the Massage tab, for instance, which we have been told will not be included.

I agree, it's time Lucid settled on a feature set for each trim and made that knowledge public. Even the "compare" feature on the web site has several blanks for Touring and Pure still. Seems late in the game for them not to have committed to these things. Maybe they are afraid of dropped reservations if they announce some of these final specs? Either way, they need to get the info out there.

 

[Lucid GR3]

I have a Pure reservation prior to the price hike and getting the feeling that they are going to strip these down as much as possible.

My hope is that the features in the Pure at least come with the same features of our E class MB, or the 530e BMW. Not feelin' it though.

Guess we will know when its time to order......or cancel.

 

[Steveinarizona]

I have a Pure reservation prior to the price hike and getting the feeling that they are going to strip these down as much as possible.

My hope is that the features in the Pure at least come with the same features of our E class MB, or the 530e BMW. Not feelin' it though.

Guess we will know when its time to order......or cancel.

You could be right but I hope you are wrong. They have raised the price by roughly $10K (and, IMO, will likely do it again) so maybe that is the Lucid solution instead of decontenting. I have a loaded BMW 530e and so long as they come close, that will be good (I don't expect nightvision on my Lucid).

If they do strip out much of the content, there will be many alternatives out there by the time they get to shipping Pures (I have already put down a deposit on a Cadillac Lyriq as a backup plan).

 

[AIR.LUCID]

It's frustrating. As you spotted they clearly put the effort into the rear deck in the Pure by deleting the slot for the window shade and also removing some of the speaker grills. I suppose accuracy depends on when the CGI was created and if they go back and update it often based on additional details. Maybe the headliner will look like that . The big bump in the middle could be structural but I would have thought their would be structural modifications for a solid roof but who knows!

I have time to decide and hope they will give more precise details before asking for orders. I am ready to know now though haha.

I think the speaker difference is surreal pro or not.

 

[MorganB]

You could be right but I hope you are wrong. They have raised the price by roughly $10K (and, IMO, will likely do it again) so maybe that is the Lucid solution instead of decontenting. I have a loaded BMW 530e and so long as they come close, that will be good (I don't expect nightvision on my Lucid).

If they do strip out much of the content, there will be many alternatives out there by the time they get to shipping Pures (I have already put down a deposit on a Cadillac Lyriq as a backup plan).

I have the same back up plan. I'm waiting to see / sit in and hopefully drive both cars before making a final decision. I feel like the Lucid is more advanced , better range etc so I'm still more interested in Lucid but I need to at least sit in both to make a final decision.