2.4.4 HA issues

[QuantumFire]

Just finished a 1,000 mile round trip road trip and used HA through much of it. My conclusion is, don't use HA. CC will provide a much more relaxing and enjoyable drive.

While driving I kept my hands on the steering wheel at ALL times. I keep them at 4 and 8 o'clock because holding the wheel at 3 and 9 or 2 and 10 causes my shoulder to ache.

NAGGING: The worst part about HA is the incessant nagging to keep my hands on the wheel. It seemed like once every few minutes I’d hear “bong” and the false alert would display on the screen. I don’t know how they are testing for hands on the wheel before issuing the alert, but it had a false alarm rate of 100% for my entire 16 hour trip. It must have gone off hundreds of times. Absolutely terrible. If they are that serious about incessantly monitoring hands on wheel they should have put capacitive touch sensors in the wheel. Otherwise, display the message once and knock it off forever. The car did an excellent job of driving straight on a straight road so I didn’t need to provide any steering input, but that doesn’t mean my hands aren’t on the wheel.

CURVES: About half the curves it handled beautifully, nice and smooth. The other half were jerky as heck. I’d have to fight the wheel to keep the curve somewhat smooth. This is pretty tiring after a while. On the plus side, when fighting the jerking steering wheel it wouldn’t nag me to keep my hands on the wheel.

HA BUTTON: The button either does nothing, enables HA or disable HA, very occasionally it enables CC. Takes about a dozen tries to get it to enable CC, about half the time it doesn’t do anything. If you do get CC enabled, the long press to enable HA cancels CC half the time. This button input needs to more responsive and deterministic. It currently seems random and laggy.

Thankfully I don’t have another long drive scheduled for at least six months. Hopefully there will be improvements to HA before then because I will not use it again as is, CC is much much more relaxing and a smoother drive.

 

[Buffalo Bob]

I was hoping that this latest release would have included a less demanding version of the torque sensor, but perhaps it did not. I agree that something like galvanic skin response sensors would have been the better way to go... at least from a user experience standpoint. I find it very hard to keep pressure on the wheel in one direction when I'm hoping the car goes in another, so I end up 'sort of' driving the car anyway.

 

[borski]

NAGGING: The worst part about HA is the incessant nagging to keep my hands on the wheel. It seemed like once every few minutes I’d hear “bong” and the false alert would display on the screen. I don’t know how they are testing for hands on the wheel before issuing the alert, but it had a false alarm rate of 100% for my entire 16 hour trip. It must have gone off hundreds of times. Absolutely terrible. If they are that serious about incessantly monitoring hands on wheel they should have put capacitive touch sensors in the wheel. Otherwise, display the message once and knock it off forever. The car did an excellent job of driving straight on a straight road so I didn’t need to provide any steering input, but that doesn’t mean my hands aren’t on the wheel.

I find if I hold it a certain way it stops nagging me. I’ve gotten used to it. But they have said they’re hoping to do hands off later this year.

HA BUTTON: The button either does nothing, enables HA or disable HA, very occasionally it enables CC. Takes about a dozen tries to get it to enable CC, about half the time it doesn’t do anything. If you do get CC enabled, the long press to enable HA cancels CC half the time. This button input needs to more responsive and deterministic. It currently seems random and laggy.

You need service. Mike does not have the issue and responds correctly every time. My previous steering wheel had this issue; you need the wheel replaced.

 

[Tâm]

Just finished a 1,000 mile round trip road trip and used HA through much of it. My conclusion is, don't use HA. CC will provide a much more relaxing and enjoyable drive.

While driving I kept my hands on the steering wheel at ALL times. I keep them at 4 and 8 o'clock because holding the wheel at 3 and 9 or 2 and 10 causes my shoulder to ache.

NAGGING: The worst part about HA is the incessant nagging to keep my hands on the wheel. It seemed like once every few minutes I’d hear “bong” and the false alert would display on the screen. I don’t know how they are testing for hands on the wheel before issuing the alert, but it had a false alarm rate of 100% for my entire 16 hour trip. It must have gone off hundreds of times. Absolutely terrible. If they are that serious about incessantly monitoring hands on wheel they should have put capacitive touch sensors in the wheel. Otherwise, display the message once and knock it off forever. The car did an excellent job of driving straight on a straight road so I didn’t need to provide any steering input, but that doesn’t mean my hands aren’t on the wheel.

Agreed. Steering wheel torque needs to be more user friendly.

Lucid has made this much harder to avoid torque alert: If I apply a certain torque, it would go astray into an adjacent lane. If I reduce the torque, the alerts would scream about every 15 seconds.

This algorithm needs to fine tuned.

CURVES: About half the curves it handled beautifully, nice and smooth. The other half were jerky as heck. I’d have to fight the wheel to keep the curve somewhat smooth. This is pretty tiring after a while. On the plus side, when fighting the jerking steering wheel it wouldn’t nag me to keep my hands on the wheel.

At this level of automation competency, I still expect to manual steer in many curves. That is fine because I know what to expect at a curve and be ready.

HA BUTTON: The button either does nothing, enables HA or disable HA, very occasionally it enables CC. Takes about a dozen tries to get it to enable CC, about half the time it doesn’t do anything. If you do get CC enabled, the long press to enable HA cancels CC half the time. This button input needs to more responsive and deterministic. It currently seems random and laggy.

It's strange that these buttons are inconsistent. Sometimes it takes 3 steps to get HA:

1. Pre-Cruise button on lower left
2. Cruise button on swipper
3. Long press on Pre-Cruise button on lower left

Other times, it takes 2:
1. Pre-Cruise button on lower left
2. Cruise button on swipper would turn both Cruise and HA on at the same time without the long press of step 3.

This is confusing!

Thankfully I don’t have another long drive scheduled for at least six months. Hopefully there will be improvements to HA before then because I will not use it again as is, CC is much much more relaxing and a smoother drive.

This will have to get better because both Mercedes and BMW have sold L3 hands off, eyes off driving in Germany and GM is expressing the wish to do the same.

 

[Tâm]

I find if I hold it a certain way it stops nagging me. I’ve gotten used to it. But they have said they’re hoping to do hands off later this year.


You need service. Mike does not have the issue and responds correctly every time. My previous steering wheel had this issue; you need the wheel replaced.

Due to the inconsistency of 2 or 3 steps, it might be difficult to just turn on the cruise ONLY without HA. To turn on the cruise ONLY without HA, you don't want the 2 step HA, you want the 3 step HA but not pushing the third step.

 

[Batteryman]

Just finished a 1,000 mile round trip road trip and used HA through much of it. My conclusion is, don't use HA. CC will provide a much more relaxing and enjoyable drive.

While driving I kept my hands on the steering wheel at ALL times. I keep them at 4 and 8 o'clock because holding the wheel at 3 and 9 or 2 and 10 causes my shoulder to ache.

NAGGING: The worst part about HA is the incessant nagging to keep my hands on the wheel. It seemed like once every few minutes I’d hear “bong” and the false alert would display on the screen. I don’t know how they are testing for hands on the wheel before issuing the alert, but it had a false alarm rate of 100% for my entire 16 hour trip. It must have gone off hundreds of times. Absolutely terrible. If they are that serious about incessantly monitoring hands on wheel they should have put capacitive touch sensors in the wheel. Otherwise, display the message once and knock it off forever. The car did an excellent job of driving straight on a straight road so I didn’t need to provide any steering input, but that doesn’t mean my hands aren’t on the wheel.

CURVES: About half the curves it handled beautifully, nice and smooth. The other half were jerky as heck. I’d have to fight the wheel to keep the curve somewhat smooth. This is pretty tiring after a while. On the plus side, when fighting the jerking steering wheel it wouldn’t nag me to keep my hands on the wheel.

HA BUTTON: The button either does nothing, enables HA or disable HA, very occasionally it enables CC. Takes about a dozen tries to get it to enable CC, about half the time it doesn’t do anything. If you do get CC enabled, the long press to enable HA cancels CC half the time. This button input needs to more responsive and deterministic. It currently seems random and laggy.

Thankfully I don’t have another long drive scheduled for at least six months. Hopefully there will be improvements to HA before then because I will not use it again as is, CC is much much more relaxing and a smoother drive.

I dont even use FSD on a Tesla, too irritating. Until they get level 4 at least, I dont care about autonomous driving. It needs to be safer than my driving and may not reach that in my lifetime. I just DRIVE.....all this hype about autonomous driving is premature....

 

[Tâm]

I dont even use FSD on a Tesla, too irritating. Until they get level 4 at least, I dont care about autonomous driving. It needs to be safer than my driving and may not reach that in my lifetime. I just DRIVE.....all this hype about autonomous driving is premature....

Lane Keeping has been working very well with GM Super Cruise since its first day in 2017 or the past 7 years, hands-free.

Some components of Autonomous Driving are working very well. Mercedes has been selling L3 in Germany and it claims there's no accidents during its L3 operation so far.

I agree that total Autonomous Driving is still premature.

 

[AlignTrex]

Have to wait until hands free update is here. Around the Midwest, the roads are very straight so even though my hands are on the wheel the nagging alert keeps popping up.

It has become unusable for me as well. Some users on this forum claims if you have your hands on the wheel it should not alert you. I have not found this to be true.

 

[Haggy]

I find if I hold it a certain way it stops nagging me. I’ve gotten used to it. But they have said they’re hoping to do hands off later this year.

Hands free will help. They need to fix the issue of it thinking that I'm not watching the road when I am. If they get that working better, they can do what Tesla now does, which is allow for hands free operation if I'm watching the road.

In the meantime, the nag is somewhat annoying, but nowhere near as bad as it was with a Tesla. It's easier to avoid with less pressure, too much pressure won't turn off autosteer, and I can understand Lucid wanting to be overcautious to start with. But it definitely works well enough for me that holding the wheel is merely a formality.

 

[borski]

Hands free will help. They need to fix the issue of it thinking that I'm not watching the road when I am. If they get that working better, they can do what Tesla now does, which is allow for hands free operation if I'm watching the road.

It will absolutely help me (and most). I have no false negatives about paying attention to the road. Have you set up your facial recognition?

In the meantime, the nag is somewhat annoying, but nowhere near as bad as it was with a Tesla. It's easier to avoid with less pressure, too much pressure won't turn off autosteer, and I can understand Lucid wanting to be overcautious to start with. But it definitely works well enough for me that holding the wheel is merely a formality.

 

[Haggy]

It will absolutely help me (and most). I have no false negatives about paying attention to the road. Have you set up your facial recognition?

Many times.

 

[gavram]

Just finished a 1,000 mile round trip road trip and used HA through much of it. My conclusion is, don't use HA. CC will provide a much more relaxing and enjoyable drive.

While driving I kept my hands on the steering wheel at ALL times. I keep them at 4 and 8 o'clock because holding the wheel at 3 and 9 or 2 and 10 causes my shoulder to ache.

NAGGING: The worst part about HA is the incessant nagging to keep my hands on the wheel. It seemed like once every few minutes I’d hear “bong” and the false alert would display on the screen. I don’t know how they are testing for hands on the wheel before issuing the alert, but it had a false alarm rate of 100% for my entire 16 hour trip. It must have gone off hundreds of times. Absolutely terrible. If they are that serious about incessantly monitoring hands on wheel they should have put capacitive touch sensors in the wheel. Otherwise, display the message once and knock it off forever. The car did an excellent job of driving straight on a straight road so I didn’t need to provide any steering input, but that doesn’t mean my hands aren’t on the wheel.

CURVES: About half the curves it handled beautifully, nice and smooth. The other half were jerky as heck. I’d have to fight the wheel to keep the curve somewhat smooth. This is pretty tiring after a while. On the plus side, when fighting the jerking steering wheel it wouldn’t nag me to keep my hands on the wheel.

HA BUTTON: The button either does nothing, enables HA or disable HA, very occasionally it enables CC. Takes about a dozen tries to get it to enable CC, about half the time it doesn’t do anything. If you do get CC enabled, the long press to enable HA cancels CC half the time. This button input needs to more responsive and deterministic. It currently seems random and laggy.

Thankfully I don’t have another long drive scheduled for at least six months. Hopefully there will be improvements to HA before then because I will not use it again as is, CC is much much more relaxing and a smoother drive.

Were you hanging a few fingers or hand off the bottom right or left edge of the wheel? Just having hands on the wheel doesn't prevent the bag but I can go for long distances without getting it by resting/hanging a hand off the bottom edge.