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Quimby said:
You can make all the excuses you want, there is no excuse for producing such a deficient product. We have owned a 2023 Pure & have been through several OTA updates & still we are constantly harassed by software glitches multiple times a day. Yes the car handles great but that is all it has to recommend it. Where is the Gravity that was supposed to be delivered in December 2024, not 2025? Where are the Tesla charger adapters due in April 2024 no longer talked about? How about Android access put off until when? What happened to HUD that other car manufacturers already have except Gravity? I have lost interest in Lucid & the Gravity we longed after. Enough is enough!
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Why....are....you...here? If the car and/or the company doesn't suit your needs, delete your account and move on. It's totally ok and your right to do so, just as it's your right to not like the product or the way you feel. Most of the rest of us know and accept what we are in for, good and bad and are ok to accept it. I just personally cannot understand why some continue on in here. It's not helping. It's just annoying honestly. I really hope you find what vehicle and company you like and it treats you well. I just don't want to, and I won't, read any more about it on here. Folks should either tuck in and be patient or move on. Nothing else exists that can be done on our end. It's totally ok to not like it and it's totally ok to be fine with it.
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
Got it. Thanks. I will take a look. Air was never on my radar as I am not a sedan driver. SUV and pick-ups fit family needs most.
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Looking back in the Air delivery discussions, there were tons of comments about the VIN and whether or not it is sequential.
My take away/understanding from it all is:

The last four digits of a VIN are sequential numbers. A sequence of numbers that can exist, like any number. Lucid docs show that.
How those last four digits are generated is determined by Lucid, as necessary for the sake of tracking a car through the production process.
While sequential, it doesn't mean the numbers are used sequentially. They can be skipped when necessary during the production process.
Therefore, those digits don't provide an indication of where Lucid is in the production of a model. VIN sequence doesn't equate to production sequence.
As for delivery? No correlation at all.
As we've seen, a Gravity with the last 5 digits of 10092 is in production, but that doesn't mean 10000+ Gravities have been produced. How great that would be if true.
It does allow for Lucid to be able to track 10000+ Gravities which we know, is consistent with the production forecast for 2025.
The VIN exists for possible use/assignment to a model at some point in time.

When a model is nearing production and the required parts are being organized, a random and temporary pre-VIN is used, but eventually replaced with a VIN when the parts are organized and production can commence. Even though the pre-VIN is temporary, it is connected to a customer order. Lucid (aka the factory) assigns the VIN, the factory connects that VIN to a customer order, and notifies the studio connected to that customer order. The studio notifies the customer with the VIN or even the pre-VIN.

If you want to explore the discussions more, do an advanced search for "vin" "sequential" and set your results for before June 2022.
Obviously there are other key words to use.

Lastly, I don't want to revive the VIN discussion again, but if any of my statements shown above in bold are inaccurate, someone please let me know.
One way I confirm my understanding of topics/concepts is by typing it out. Then the forum gods respond.
I've always known that VINs exist, but until my Gravity order, never had a reason to know the purpose of each digit in a VIN.

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msaunders9430 said:
Looking back in the Air delivery discussions, there were tons of comments about the VIN and whether or not it is sequential.
My take away/understanding from it all is:

The last four digits of a VIN are sequential numbers. A sequence of numbers that can exist, like any number. Lucid docs show that.
How those last four digits are generated is determined by Lucid, as necessary for the sake of tracking a car through the production process.
While sequential, it doesn't mean the numbers are used sequentially. They can be skipped when necessary during the production process.
Therefore, those digits don't provide an indication of where Lucid is in the production of a model. VIN sequence doesn't equate to production sequence.
As for delivery? No correlation at all.
As we've seen, a Gravity with the last 5 digits of 10092 is in production, but that doesn't mean 10000+ Gravities have been produced. How great that would be if true.
It does allow for Lucid to be able to track 10000+ Gravities which we know, is consistent with the production forecast for 2025.
The VIN exists for possible use/assignment to a model at some point in time.

When a model is nearing production and the required parts are being organized, a random and temporary pre-VIN is used, but eventually replaced with a VIN when the parts are organized and production can commence. Even though the pre-VIN is temporary, it is connected to a customer order. Lucid (aka the factory) assigns the VIN, the factory connects that VIN to a customer order, and notifies the studio connected to that customer order. The studio notifies the customer with the VIN or even the pre-VIN.

If you want to explore the discussions more, do an advanced search for "vin" "sequential" and set your results for before June 2022.
Obviously there are other key words to use.

Lastly, I don't want to revive the VIN discussion again, but if any of my statements shown above in bold are inaccurate, someone please let me know.
One way I confirm my understanding of topics/concepts is by typing it out. Then the forum gods respond.
I've always known that VINs exist, but until my Gravity order, never had a reason to know the purpose of each digit in a VIN.

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Nothing incorrect, we learnt long ago with the Air that Lucid doesn’t do them sequentially and they’re not going to do it for the Gravity.

So yeah, let’s put the VIN topic to rest.
 
HC_79 said:
Nothing incorrect, we learnt long ago with the Air that Lucid doesn’t do them sequentially and they’re not going to do it for the Gravity.

So yeah, let’s put the VIN topic to rest.
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Well hopefully the information in this more recent post and in the Gravity category will put the topic to rest.
I know not everyone likes researching info on this forum as a way of getting answers, so hopefully it helps all who would otherwise ask or speculate.
 
Wow, so many different perspectives on here about what Lucid have got wrong / right

I for one am very excited about the Gravity and can't wait to take delivery! I was told ~3 weeks on May 20th and a more recent update (few days ago) that the car is undergoing final testing in the factory. My SA has been awesome, I can understand how difficult it must be for them and don't hold him to it if he gets timelines wrong

More than happy to wait after everything I saw and experienced during the test drive and multiple visits to the showroom!
 
Udon1122 said:
My EQS SUV has ARHUD. It is not new.
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The Gravity HUD situation is a bit baffling to me, and if they hadn't already made such a big deal about it I feel like they should have deleted it early on in the process or gone with an established E/E vendor like Valeo or Panasonic (https://www.valeo.com/en/catalogue/cda/augmented-reality-head-up-display-arhud/).

From what we've seen so far, I'm going to hope that the installed hardware is fine (this would be expensive for them to fix later) and they've just de-prioritized the software because it's an optional component that is not critical to base UX or safety and can be augmented OTA later. As we've discussed before the scale of the software project here is enormous, and they clearly intend to have the HUD tightly integrated with the vehicle UX in the future. It's just going to be a bit disappointing to have a $2600 option delivered with the functionality of a $500 version, and I hope they're able to start adding capabilities quickly.

I personally think an AR HUD is going to be really useful for lane and turn guidance in dense areas, where I often see a driver in our house miss turns. It's definitely a nice to have rather than a must have, though, and I'm only insistent upon getting it because we're buying our Gravity and intend to keep it for a while (rather than swap it in a lease a few years later).

Others have brought up that the Gravity HUD is going to be really special based on some hardware IP that Lucid has developed, but I'm dubious that they're not just using an existing supply chain option until I see it in person (or in a teardown). Developing IP is great, but it's often faster/better/cheaper to use a third party and just have the patents defensively, or even license them to the third party. We'll see.
 
Udon1122 said:
IMHO, the problem with all the delays, lack of communication, and everything else is less of an issue to existing Lucid owners/enthusiasts. Still, it is more damaging to people new to Lucid and converting from other brands because of Gravity. Most of them have never been prepared for this, many of them are not on the forum, and I know they have not developed brand loyalty to Lucid while waiting yet. At least four persons I know are interested in Gravity, and I promise to have them test drive mine when I take delivery. As I’m explaining the delay, two already got their new cars from other brands.

Not every new customer is as understanding or knowledgeable about how Lucid operates as people in the forum. I sincerely hope Lucid can step up its game in terms of logistics and customer communication.
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Realistically, most people have some point in their life where they decide it's time for a new vehicle, and then they buy something that's available for purchase. It's a minority of enthusiasts who wait for an announced but unavailable vehicle to come to market. While I'm sure Lucid would like to be producing the Gravity at scale today, I doubt they're really expecting to have a large number of people waiting with pre-orders. Rawlinson's attitude about not opening pre-orders prematurely (yeah, I know that hasn't aged well) shows the company's approach.
 
borski said:
Not the same. Feel free to read the patent.
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No? Interesting.

The ARHUD in my 23 EQS 580 SUV blends the real-world environment with generated graphics, such as lane marks, navigation arrows, and ADAS indicators. Given their official video, I would assume the Lucid one functions the same. They are even similarly priced, lol.

I'm curious to see if Lucid has more expanded features than Mercedes.
 
borski said:
Not the same. Feel free to read the patent.
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I've got to push back a little here -- I'm not sure why you're so excited about this particular patent. Little in the patent relates to the user functionality of the AR-HUD.

1) There's no indication that this invention is put into practice in the Gravity. I'm on the patent review committee at work and we patent all sorts of stuff that does not make it into product, because it's useful to have the protected IP for other reasons. Lucid engineers are surely coming up with inventions related to every aspect of vehicle manufacture and operation (and beyond) because that's useful portfolio to have regardless of which parts you directly use.

2) The above patent is entirely about aspects of the optical path for an AR HUD; the independent claim on sheet 26 is about the series of optical components in the display. The description describes that this arrangement could have advantages like being more compact, more durable, have a larger effective display, better contrast, better color gamut, etc, but not being an expert in the field I can't say that it uniquely does any of those things vs. the current technology available.

The Lotus Eletre claims to have a 29" AR HUD, which is larger than what this patent talks about being possible. Lotus is mostly an integrator, so that system is absolutely from an existing supplier. (I also haven't been able to find actual pictures of it, with Lotus vehicles being very pretty but basically unobtainable in the US.)

I'm sure that the Gravity HUD will be great (eventually) because it would be a huge miss for Lucid to put in a bad component in such a visible place. It doesn't matter if they're building the optical components themselves or have it coming from an established supplier. The thing that will make the difference is going to be the software, and we see from the units in the wild that there is very little there (and no AR at all) currently.

It's not comparable to what MB is delivering today. Hopefully it will be soon. Even if the hardware is great, it's like having the Gravity drive unit connected to the batteries but not the wheels. Great power, but not going anywhere fast.
 
They can’t deliver cars without HUDs right now, so that discussion, while interesting, really doesn’t answer why they can’t make the Gravity.

“Public” reports from “sources” over a month ago had said it was a safety issue with the it’s row - or third row safety hadn’t been approved by govt. That makes more sense as to total lack of deliveries.

Regardless, I was in our X this morning and reminded of how little leg room there is in back seat - especially versus Gravity.

I will whine, but I will wait. Gravity will be tremendous, but we won’t get good communication and we have to wait. Sucks, but that’s life.
 
jered said:
I've got to push back a little here -- I'm not sure why you're so excited about this particular patent. Little in the patent relates to the user functionality of the AR-HUD.

1) There's no indication that this invention is put into practice in the Gravity. I'm on the patent review committee at work and we patent all sorts of stuff that does not make it into product, because it's useful to have the protected IP for other reasons. Lucid engineers are surely coming up with inventions related to every aspect of vehicle manufacture and operation (and beyond) because that's useful portfolio to have regardless of which parts you directly use.

2) The above patent is entirely about aspects of the optical path for an AR HUD; the independent claim on sheet 26 is about the series of optical components in the display. The description describes that this arrangement could have advantages like being more compact, more durable, have a larger effective display, better contrast, better color gamut, etc, but not being an expert in the field I can't say that it uniquely does any of those things vs. the current technology available.

The Lotus Eletre claims to have a 29" AR HUD, which is larger than what this patent talks about being possible. Lotus is mostly an integrator, so that system is absolutely from an existing supplier. (I also haven't been able to find actual pictures of it, with Lotus vehicles being very pretty but basically unobtainable in the US.)

I'm sure that the Gravity HUD will be great (eventually) because it would be a huge miss for Lucid to put in a bad component in such a visible place. It doesn't matter if they're building the optical components themselves or have it coming from an established supplier. The thing that will make the difference is going to be the software, and we see from the units in the wild that there is very little there (and no AR at all) currently.

It's not comparable to what MB is delivering today. Hopefully it will be soon. Even if the hardware is great, it's like having the Gravity drive unit connected to the batteries but not the wheels. Great power, but not going anywhere fast.
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All fair points.
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
...“Public” reports from “sources” over a month ago had said it was a safety issue with the it’s row - or third row safety hadn’t been approved by govt...
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This was denied by someone else at Lucid. Don't recall the details.
 
To say “My EQS has ARHUD” and imply that this is old tech and easy to implement on any new car is like saying “Tesla FSD has been out for some time, it should be easy for other manufactures to implement on their new cars.” Another comparison is Mercedes was I believe first manufacturer to implement adaptive cruise control. It took many years for other companies to catch up and implement their versions of it on their cars.

Lucid probably saw the Mercedes ARHUD (maybe while in development) and decided “that’s cool, let’s develop something like that but maybe a little different/better.” But as is the case with new tech, sometimes this process is a little harder than you anticipated.
 
DeaneG said:
This was denied by someone else at Lucid. Don't recall the details.
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I do recall that now. I guess my general point is/was there appear to be zero GGT/GDE being delivered. So it’s not “just” HUDs and harnesses, etc.

I really hope some of these folks with VINs get their cars soon.

Despite my “end of September” SA timeline, I fully expect Q4 or Q1 2026. I’d rather they get it right then rush it.
 
I tried to upload a video and failed, I posted in the FB group,
 

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I tried to upload a video and failed, I posted in the FB group,
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Thanks but I'm new to the forum, can you post a link to the video or explain how to get to the FB group?
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
I do recall that now. I guess my general point is/was there appear to be zero GGT/GDE being delivered. So it’s not “just” HUDs and harnesses, etc.

I really hope some of these folks with VINs get their cars soon.

Despite my “end of September” SA timeline, I fully expect Q4 or Q1 2026. I’d rather they get it right then rush it.
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I am amazed at the level of confusion about how many Gravity have been shipped/will be shipped, and whether it is limited by vendor supplied sub-assemblies (e.g., AF-HUD, harness, etc.) or certification, or SW or all of the above. Don't know how much Air inventory is in the warehouse and whether Air is still in strong demand now that Gravity is "immenent". Isn' this the classic "Osborne Effect" that people talked about and studied at Business Schools?

There is this June 8 "Nationwide announcement" coming. Have no idea what it is. Seriously, after the Nov 2024 Gravity supervised test drives, the December picnic, Rawlinson's departure, the April NYC extravaganza, we still don't see much Gravity shipping. Perhaps the Nationwide announcement will clarify that?

Lucid just needs to come clean as to what's happening. The lack of official news is why the stock is hammered!
 
JoeMa said:
Thanks but I'm new to the forum, can you post a link to the video or explain how to get to the FB group?
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