Service Mode Removal?

[400kwOrBust]

I believe you may not be up to date in it/iot risk management. Like the power usb sockets that can inject viruses into your phone. And I’m oh so excited about plugging an unknown Russian device into anything I own. But you do you and tell us how well it works.

RAD-Moon 2

1000BASE-T1 Automotive Ethernet Media Converter establishes a conversion between 1000BASE-T1 automotive ECUs and any device with a RJ-45.

intrepidcs.com

Its just a media converter. You can probably buy any media convertor. Intrepid is a well known brand in industry. I believe they are actually American.

 

[Aka-none]

I definitely agree with you, I'm just saying cars have been proven to be repairable and having more lucids on the road would be a great thing for the brand recognition. If a car was to fall apart due to someone poorly putting it back together is a different story.....

Which would impact the brand, if the car caused injury or death. The headline wouldn’t be “owner repaired salvage car kills 2”. It would be “Lucid ev goes rouge, kills 2”

So yes more Lucids would be good, but not if they are salvage vehicles waiting to cause destruction.

Now then I do agree that those who’ve taken their car somewhere there’s no service available. But consider that if the car isn’t where it’s supported then how did it get put into service mode? If I’m not mistaken it requires Lucid to put it into and out of service mode.

 

[wallyllama]

These are sdc. Software defined cars. That doesn't mean Lucid (or Tesla, ford,Nissan etc) own them. That would be called a lease. If I choose to attach (even sketchy) hardware to MY car, I can. They can void my warranty, refuse updates, delete my account, that is their choice. Having said that, I'm not likely to do that, because even though I'd really like to see the internals, I like driving my car even more. If I follow correctly the hardware is just a USB/Ethernet adapter, probably need one with a particular chip set to allow it to work. If you buy a reputable brand the risk is low. The actually sketchy part is what they are doing with that access. There probably isn't a menu with a choice to en/disable service mode. Are they running hacked versions of Lucids diagnostic software? Editing tables in firmware? Playing doom? I believe in right to repair. In a software defined world if the software is kept from you, you don't own anything

 

[Aka-none]

These are sdc. Software defined cars. That doesn't mean Lucid (or Tesla, ford,Nissan etc) own them. That would be called a lease. If I choose to attach (even sketchy) hardware to MY car, I can. They can void my warranty, refuse updates, delete my account, that is their choice. Having said that, I'm not likely to do that, because even though I'd really like to see the internals, I like driving my car even more. If I follow correctly the hardware is just a USB/Ethernet adapter, probably need one with a particular chip set to allow it to work. If you buy a reputable brand the risk is low. The actually sketchy part is what they are doing with that access. There probably isn't a menu with a choice to en/disable service mode. Are they running hacked versions of Lucids diagnostic software? Editing tables in firmware? Playing doom? I believe in right to repair. In a software defined world if the software is kept from you, you don't own anything

You have never owned sw you didn’t write. You do own the device it runs on, to be clear.
You have a license from the creator to USE the sw, but not to reverse engineer it, or resell it. Eg license isn’t always transferable. All kinds of rules about sw and it’s been like this forever.

Now if we want to get picky, I have my doubts about ownership of ai generated sw. Particularly as ai can’t create sw from scratch, it had to be trained on other peoples sw. Hence it just seems to make its own code but not really. If you think otherwise then have an untrained ai try to do anything.

 

[segbrk]

Now then I do agree that those who’ve taken their car somewhere there’s no service available. But consider that if the car isn’t where it’s supported then how did it get put into service mode? If I’m not mistaken it requires Lucid to put it into and out of service mode.

Simple: people buy salvaged cars and import them all the time. Lucid (or certified body shops) leaves cars in service mode after declaring them totaled, so they arrive that way.

 

[ke2]

Now if we want to get picky, I have my doubts about ownership of ai generated sw. Particularly as ai can’t create sw from scratch, it had to be trained on other peoples sw. Hence it just seems to make its own code but not really. If you think otherwise then have an untrained ai try to do anything.

The same could be said of software engineers (people). They have to get trained somewhere/somehow. Does this mean the training company owns the software said trainee goes on to produce for the rest of their life? (not likely). Therefore I doubt the AI companies will "own" the software one of their agents produces. But it is an interesting point which I'm sure will be litigated in the not too distant future.

 

[socktucker]

Lucid brand recognition would not improve if they had a bunch of cobbled together Air Pures from CoParts doing donuts in street takeovers before they smash into an Applebees. Which is exactly the demographic that buys salvage high performance cars. We don’t need Lucid to be the next WRX and 350z.

…that is the Teslas M3P’s job lol

 

[Aka-none]

Simple: people buy salvaged cars and import them all the time. Lucid (or certified body shops) leaves cars in service mode after declaring them totaled, so they arrive that way.

So as is where is, ok so not on roads in US or Canada.
You can do whatever you please in wherever else you are. Because who cares, I’ve seen and been in cars that have been repaired in someone’s backyard (while in other countries).

Those salvaged cars reassembled by who knows what skill level do not belong on the roads here. Particularly a vehicle capable of these speeds and acceleration levels.

You know some dweeb is going to putz with a salvaged car, get it running and sell it off to some unsuspecting person. And whose reputation is hit? Who gets drug through court.

Sorry, yes might be a case for it, but not based

RAD-Moon 2

1000BASE-T1 Automotive Ethernet Media Converter establishes a conversion between 1000BASE-T1 automotive ECUs and any device with a RJ-45.

intrepidcs.com

Its just a media converter. You can probably buy any media convertor. Intrepid is a well known brand in industry. I believe they are actually American.

The same could be said of software engineers (people). They have to get trained somewhere/somehow. Does this mean the training company owns the software said trainee goes on to produce for the rest of their life? (not likely). Therefore I doubt the AI companies will "own" the software one of their agents produces. But it is an interesting point which I'm sure will be litigated in the not too distant future.

Don’t know about you but every piece of he, sw, and documentation I created while employed is owned by the company paying me. If I were to take the and try to make it my own. People have tried and been successfully sued to stop.

I looked at the device mentioned for the protocol translator and that part is about $600+ so were beyond the $60 originally mentioned.

 

[segbrk]

You know some dweeb is going to putz with a salvaged car, get it running and sell it off to some unsuspecting person. And whose reputation is hit? Who gets drug through court.

You know the salvage title doesn't go away though, right? The person buying the car would have to know what they're getting themselves into. And again, to me, salvage cars on public roads is a regulatory problem, not a Lucid problem. Sure some sloppy entertainment news piece might run a misleading headline like "Lucid malfunction causes crash," but that doesn't in any way mean to me you shouldn't be able to repair the car that you own. Computers don't make modern cars magic. If anything, they should be able to have (and do have, to some extent) better onboard diagnostics to alert when things aren't working right so a repaired car doesn't randomly blow up on the road.

 

[Aka-none]

Yeah I know the title will show it.
Have you noticed cars that others drive? I know there are cash challenged drivers out there and if it runs for the $ it’ll cost then that’s what they drive. And not all drivers have a clue about title details.

Reminds me of a car back when I was in my 20’s. A woman I knew found a really nice cutlass convertible, very pretty and clean looking. She wanted to buy it, so I asked her to drive it to the gas station near my house. We put it on the lift and in about 30 seconds I told her do not buy this car. I also told her if she did then I would never touch the car, I wouldn’t even ride in it. She bought it anyway and a couple months later asked me to look at something that wasn’t working right. And yes I was a prick for reminding her what I said and no I wouldn’t look at it. I wanted her out of that car before it killed her.

The chassis of the car was put together by welding bits and parts off other cars and looked a mess. Nothing was untouched. So no I am not going to provide assistance to anyone who wants to go in this direction. But if you are in some other country where I’ll never be then have at it.

You might be able to sell it to these customers, drifters and takeovers.

 

[ke2]

Don’t know about you but every piece of he, sw, and documentation I created while employed is owned by the company paying me. If I were to take the and try to make it my own. People have tried and been successfully sued to stop.

I looked at the device mentioned for the protocol translator and that part is about $600+ so were beyond the $60 originally mentioned.

What I was trying to say is if you took yourself to a new company and developed a new piece of software your original company would have no right to this new software just because the old company trained you

 

[Hammerthyme]

if the car isn’t where it’s supported then how did it get put into service mode? If I’m not mistaken it requires Lucid to put it into and out of service mode.

From what I heard, Ukraine has been buying up "wrecked EVs" for battery packs that can be used in the war effort. Wouldn't surprise me if several of these cars were more "totaled by insurance" than actually undriveable. Also wouldn't surprise me that an enterprising young hacker over there was interested in making a lightly damaged Lucid work again.