Update regarding Phone as a Key availability for Gravity owners

[raleighone]

Okay. I just made myself laugh at the thought of any Lucid owner being happy.

lol...true, but who is to blame for that? I just told a SC manager after being disappointed in another recent experience that "you guys have made me a bitcher and complainer when I'm generally a very positive person!" So yeah...;-)

 

[prgarg]

Lucid should certainly get credit for posting the update rather than letting the date quietly slide. But I think people defending Lucid here and telling those who are frustrated to simply “suck it up” are missing why this one landed harder than a normal delay.

It's the cadence. From the LucidTracker data, it's been 51 days since the last OTA hit the fleet. The average gap between releases is 28 days, and the average gap between actual feature updates is 87 days. So we're approaching 2x the normal release interval with nothing, and we're coming up on 3 months since a real feature shipped.

When updates are landing every few weeks, a slip on one feature is a shrug, something else is coming next week etc. so who cares. When the cadence is this slow, a single feature carries the whole quarter. PaaK was that feature, owners were told at events it was done and waiting on Apple, and it just went from "done" to Q1 2027 with no intermediate release in between. That's what people are reacting to, not the fact that Lucid posted.

Which is also where the communication could have been better. If there's an update coming soon, and after 51 days there should be, the post should have said so. "PaaK is slipping to Q1 2027, but here's what's landing in the next few weeks" is a completely different message than a bare delay notice. It tells owners the pipeline is still moving. Instead we got the bad news on its own, into a 51-day silence, and were left to fill in the rest ourselves.

PaaK isn't the only thing on the clock. The March roadmap listed AI Assistant, V2H, Enhanced Auto Park, Video Streaming, and hands-on city driving all for 2026. It's October, If some of those or all of them are slipping too, saying so now is far better than a series of one-line posts in December, or worse, silence and the year just ends. The frustration in this thread is the predictable result of finding out late. Getting ahead of the rest of the list is how Lucid avoids repeating it.

We can thank them for the communication but people can still be disappointed by what it said. Both are fair.

The other issue what all these delays is that Lucid is now really falling behind other manufacturers when it comes to tech. It'd be hard to appeal to people just looking for great driving dynamics but not concerned about tech features or service availability.

 

[DeaneG]

The other issue what all these delays is that Lucid is now really falling behind other manufacturers when it comes to tech. It'd be hard to appeal to people just looking for great driving dynamics but not concerned about tech features or service availability.

By tech, do you mean software?
If so, I agree.

 

[prgarg]

By tech, do you mean software?
If so, I agree.

Yes, software and infotainment

 

[TahoeMichael]

Maybe I just don't understand the tech, but 8 years ago I got my fob-less Tesla M3 and I used my phone every time and never had an issue. So what is taking so long that would be worth improving on this? I know they're doing it differently in the Wallet but like, it can't get better than working 100% of the time, so why wouldn't they just do it the same way Tesla did and be done with this madness?

I believe there are well documented security holes with the fob technology Tesla was using at that time. Lucid is adopting the latest-and-greatest radio protocols for fobs, and also taking advantage of brand new support for that in (I think) both Android and iOS. They could have done as you suggest, at the expense of making it easier for people to steal a vehicle. As with so many high-tech security flaws, the flaw itself doesn't enable much crime, because the sort of people with the skills to take advantage generally have better things to do with their time. But now that off-the-shelf tools are available, there's a much lower bar for exploiting the security flaws in your 8 year old M3.

 

[socktucker]

Gravity has been out for less than two years, not THREE.

It launched in 2024 didn’t it? November 7 2024.

 

[RAF42]

Gravity has been out for less than two years, not THREE.

Indeed. A bit less than 18 months from the first US deliveries in 2025. A few were delivered to "some employees, family, and friends" at the very end of 2024, still less than 2 years. Also still less then 2 years from the date one could first order one.

 

[zoomzoom]

I've noticed that in the recent OOS videos. Kyle went from being super excited about the Gravity a year plus ago to now be bothered by every single small detail he encounters.

I first became interested in the Lucid and the Gravity because of his early driving impressions. It’s also the first time I found OOS. I’ve since grown tired after watching a few dozen videos over the year (Gravity and not).

I do think OOS adds value to the conversation with various battery and mileage testing, and generally has interesting thoughts on driving dynamics and such. But he nit picks the most irrelevant things and asserts his highly fussy needs as authoritative standards. His videos now seem to get stuck on a fringe case gliche or detail that he can’t get over and it makes it seem like he hates the car. There will be one single sentence to bring back the balance where he says how amazing the car is every other way but the time and tone spent shitting on a blinker switch being 5mm too far back (it’s not) makes the whole video seem mostly negative. He’s lost track of the details that matter - the driving is superb, the comfort is exceptional, the practicality is off the charts, and the current generation software is reliable and mostly sorted (launch software was admittedly buggy but not criminally bad IMO). There is no other car that comes close to offering what the Gravity does. You have to choose massive concessions in either driving dynamics and/or internal packaging if you look elsewhere.


Back to PAAK….it will come. It’s not that big a deal. Lucid is far from the only automotive or tech company to miss a self imposed deadline. The vibes in here are way over the top for delaying a feature that a tiny percentage of cars currently offer. Get a grip.

 

[Bobby]

Back to PAAK….it will come. It’s not that big a deal. Lucid is far from the only automotive or tech company to miss a self imposed deadline. The vibes in here are way over the top for delaying a feature that a tiny percentage of cars currently offer. Get a grip.

PAAK is pretty widely used. Audi, BMW, BYD, Genesis, Hyundai, Kia, Lotus, MB, Mini, Polestar, Porsche, RAM, Rivian, Toyota/Lexus, Volvo, some GM.

 

[BS8899]

PAAK is pretty widely used. Audi, BMW, BYD, Genesis, Hyundai, Kia, Lotus, MB, Mini, Polestar, Porsche, RAM, Rivian, Toyota/Lexus, Volvo, some GM.

That being so, why is Lucid taking so long to enable PAAK and encounter last-minute issues?

Curious on your insight.

 

[zoomzoom]

PAAK is pretty widely used. Audi, BMW, BYD, Genesis, Hyundai, Kia, Lotus, MB, Mini, Polestar, Porsche, RAM, Rivian, Toyota/Lexus, Volvo, some GM.

*on select models and trims.

Should I name the other 30 car manufacturers, including luxury brands, that don’t support PAAK yet?

Let’s not pretend it’s a standard feature on most cars…yet.

Point stands - it’s a nice to have that will 100% be coming soon. Fine to be disappointed in the delay but the immediate doom and gloom is a bit extra. At this point delaying a feature and having a smooth roll out is FAR more important for Lucid’s reputation and viability than meeting an arbitrary deadline and having a buggy experience.

 

[Bobby]

That being so, why is Lucid taking so long to enable PAAK and encounter last-minute issues?

Curious on your insight.

Honestly no idea.

 

[RajD]

I first became interested in the Lucid and the Gravity because of his early driving impressions. It’s also the first time I found OOS. I’ve since grown tired after watching a few dozen videos over the year (Gravity and not).

I do think OOS adds value to the conversation with various battery and mileage testing, and generally has interesting thoughts on driving dynamics and such. But he nit picks the most irrelevant things and asserts his highly fussy needs as authoritative standards. His videos now seem to get stuck on a fringe case gliche or detail that he can’t get over and it makes it seem like he hates the car. There will be one single sentence to bring back the balance where he says how amazing the car is every other way but the time and tone spent shitting on a blinker switch being 5mm too far back (it’s not) makes the whole video seem mostly negative. He’s lost track of the details that matter - the driving is superb, the comfort is exceptional, the practicality is off the charts, and the current generation software is reliable and mostly sorted (launch software was admittedly buggy but not criminally bad IMO). There is no other car that comes close to offering what the Gravity does. You have to choose massive concessions in either driving dynamics and/or internal packaging if you look elsewhere.


Back to PAAK….it will come. It’s not that big a deal. Lucid is far from the only automotive or tech company to miss a self imposed deadline. The vibes in here are way over the top for delaying a feature that a tiny percentage of cars currently offer. Get a grip.

Fully agree with your OOS comments.

I used to religiously take their views as gospel for EVs but I’ve learned after dozens of videos that they perseverate on irrelevant details. And his team has no real opinions of their own, it’s very much an echo chamber there. Sad, as Kyle’s experience and perspective is really unmatched in the EV space for performance metrics. FSD has kind of ruined him in many ways as a reviewer.

An example: he recently bashed the loaner Gravity because the lane centering glitched somewhat randomly one morning and then sorted itself - without a reset - after a brief stop. He ranted for a full minute about that one glitch and an efficiency that wasn’t too bad (3mi/kwh) going 80mph with a fully loaded car.

Mind you, in the same video he stated the ‘Gravity saved us’ when their Range Rover died on the side of the road.

In recent videos they have also clearly stated:
- They’ve already used their GGT multiple times to V2V charge a dead car.
- They’ve hauled 3 large dogs long distances with tons of extra space to haul equipment.
- they have more range than any other EV except the Escalade IQ that they’ve tested in the US
- they charge faster than all other EVs they’ve tested in the US.
- interior comfort is better than everything except maybe Escalade.
- it’s faster 0-100 and 60-100 than any EV SUv except the new Cayenne Turbo
- it has almost as much storage as the IQ.


And yet, the overarching feeling is that he is unhappy with the car. Go figure!

 

[socktucker]

That being so, why is Lucid taking so long to enable PAAK and encounter last-minute issues?

Curious on your insight.

They have mentioned a hardware problem on some Gravity with the NFC hardware that needs replaced