Average mi/kwh

[hydbob]

That's a very practical distance to remember between charge stops on a long road trip - 80% charge down to 15%, at 82mph , at 100F = 240 miles between stops. Panoche Shell has to be the most armpit-like charging stop between Los Banos and San Diego on I-5. Six chargers shoehorned behind a gas station with an iffy restroom . At least it was last time we visited.

Still is but right now I have it all to myself.

 

[Bill B]

But that’s just the thing - it *is* attainable, just affected by many factors, as we’ve shown countless times on this forum. And most of those factors affect *every* car, not just EVs.

I don’t know why we keep repeating this broken record. Plenty of us have no problem hitting the EPA mileage, or close to it.

I, who drive like I’m on too many stimulants at once, don’t hit it when I’m driving like that. But when road-tripping, I get a lot closer.

ACC hurts it, because it doesn’t use regen, as discovered in the Bay Area caravan test.

Can we just end this discussion? It’s banal, at this point - drive the car like you want to extend mileage, and it just may. Drive it aggressively, and it won’t.

The problem for me is
my car with VERY conservative driving can not get anywhere close to the EPA range in ideal conditions .....

 

[milgauss]

The problem for me is
my car with VERY conservative driving can not get anywhere close to the EPA range in ideal conditions .....

Bill, I'm in the same situation. For whatever reason, this forum is unable to separate, "Lucid is incapable of hitting EPA" from "my car can't get anywhere close to EPA no matter what I do." I have given up looking for support on this issue here.

Hopefully this helps some: The tech that examined my car was very confident there is something wrong with how the software is calculating/displaying efficiency. He believes my car is working perfectly, and I am likely getting better range than any SOC or mi/kWh display would indicate. He said they verified this by comparing display values with numbers pulled from the actual batteries themselves.

I think the best thing to do right now is sit tight and wait for software updates. The reality is anyone talking about their efficiency (high or low) using SOC or any data from their car is likely wrong. That being said, you won't have to wait long for what I am saying to be completely ignored and someone reporting 4.1 on their latest road trip lol.

 

[hydbob]

Well, my hope was that battery % was accurate so I just did my calculations using battery % and mileage because that should also be accurate. I stopped looking at the mi/kwh after @milgauss post and have only been looking at %SOC and thr odometer

 

[digiboxer]

Bill, I'm in the same situation. For whatever reason, this forum is unable to separate, "Lucid is incapable of hitting EPA" from "my car can't get anywhere close to EPA no matter what I do." I have given up looking for support on this issue here.

Hopefully this helps some: The tech that examined my car was very confident there is something wrong with how the software is calculating/displaying efficiency. He believes my car is working perfectly, and I am likely getting better range than any SOC or mi/kWh display would indicate. He said they verified this by comparing display values with numbers pulled from the actual batteries themselves.

I think the best thing to do right now is sit tight and wait for software updates. The reality is anyone talking about their efficiency (high or low) using SOC or any data from their car is likely wrong. That being said, you won't have to wait long for what I am saying to be completely ignored and someone reporting 4.1 on their lastest road trip lol.

A huge part of Lucid's story is max range, and while underperformance doesn't seem to bother a lot f people here, it will deter others from buying.

If the cars are really performing but the software isn't reflecting it, it should be a HUGE priority forLucid to straighten out the problem.

I hope the is the case, and that they succeed with the fix.

 

[hydbob]

A huge part of Lucid's story is max range, and while underperformance doesn't seem to bother a lot f people here, it will deter others from buying.

If the cars are really performing but the software isn't reflecting it, it should be a HUGE priority forLucid to straighten out the problem.

I hope the is the case, and that they succeed with the fix.

It should hust be simple, but either way, is there another EV out there than can do 240 miles at 80mph on 64% SOC in 100 degree weather? Lucid is the range king

 

[milgauss]

Well, my hope was that battery % was accurate so I just did my calculations using battery % and mileage because that should also be accurate. I stopped looking at the mi/kwh after @milgauss post and have only been looking at %SOC and thr odometer

I agree that SOC seems like the best bet for now; however, it may also not be correct. Especially if the % is using the same internal calculation of how much power has been used. Regardless, I believe the car has no fundamental design flaw and performs to EPA in line with how it should. I am just looking forward to my pilot screen agreeing with me!

 

[hydbob]

I agree that SOC seems like the best bet for now; however, it may also not be correct. Especially if the % is using the same internal calculation of how much power has been used. Regardless, I believe the car has no fundamental design flaw and performs to EPA in line with how it should. I am just looking forward to my pilot screen agreeing with me!

True, the only way to truly trst your SOC on a drive is charging up and accounting for losses. I was too lazy to bother yesterday lol. I did get 46kwh in 16 minutes...which bumped me up 33% soc?

 

[digiboxer]

It should hust be simple, but either way, is there another EV out there than can do 240 miles at 80mph on 64% SOC in 100 degree weather? Lucid is the range king

The point is, there are many buyers who have rejected any EV to date, because of range. If Lucid fail to reliably hit whatever their bogey is, they will wait it out. Lucid needs to capture those buyers.

I have a ranch in rural CO---there is NO electric truck that works for me....F-150 with 36 gallon tank....

 

[milgauss]

A huge part of Lucid's story is max range, and while underperformance doesn't seem to bother a lot f people here, it will deter others from buying.

If the cars are really performing but the software isn't reflecting it, it should be a HUGE priority forLucid to straighten out the problem.

I hope the is the case, and that they succeed with the fix.

The good news is that it seems like there only a few of us stuck in low 3s jail. The tech said they are seeing calcs behaving differently across cars . Outside of this, my car has been pretty flawless (other than known software problems). Lucid service is phenomenal-- they truly want to get all this fixed and believe in the car's potential.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

It should hust be simple, but either way, is there another EV out there than can do 240 miles at 80mph on 64% SOC in 100 degree weather? Lucid is the range king

A Taycan can’t do that at 100% SOC.

 

[digiboxer]

The good news is that it seems like there only a few of us stuck in low 3s jail. The tech said they are seeing calcs behaving differently across cars . Outside of this, my car has been pretty flawless (other than known software problems). Lucid service is phenomenal-- they truly want to get all this fixed and believe in the car's potential.

great to hear

 

[hydbob]

The good news is that it seems like there only a few of us stuck in low 3s jail. The tech said they are seeing calcs behaving differently across cars . Outside of this, my car has been pretty flawless (other than known software problems). Lucid service is phenomenal-- they truly want to get all this fixed and believe in the car's potential.

Low 3s jail lol. Based off my trip yesterday I am also in the low3s jail. But I also, drove 80 (set cruise to 82), took the aero covers off my tires (supposedly -5% hit on that), am using the 21" tires, have the P instead of R, and have the AC cranked to 68 on fan speed 7, blasting music like it's a concert...essentially I did nothing to conserve range

 

[milgauss]

Low 3s jail lol. Based off my trip yesterday I am also in the low3s jail. But I also, drove 80 (set cruise to 82), took the aero covers off my tires (supposedly -5% hit on that), am using the 21" tires, have the P instead of R, and have the AC cranked to 68 on fan speed 7, blasting music like it's a concert...essentially I did nothing to conserve range

-5% range but +25% style

 

[hmp10]

A huge part of Lucid's story is max range, and while underperformance doesn't seem to bother a lot f people here, it will deter others from buying.

For better or worse, it was inevitable that everyone in the auto press and elsewhere was going to benchmark Lucid's range claims against Tesla's. Thus it made business sense for Rawlinson to use the 5-cycle EPA method that Tesla uses to calculate range instead of the more conservative 2-cycle method that Porsche chose to use. I got into a debate about this a long time ago on the Rivian forum (I've had an R1S on reservation for over 3 years).

Let's set aside for a moment the fact that the Taycan has a smaller battery and a less efficient powertrain overall than Lucid, making for a much shorter actual range in any circumstance than a Lucid. I still like the fact that Porsche chose to use the most conservative range-estimating method, resulting in a car that has consistently significantly bettered its EPA range in every range test conducted by anyone.

If you buy a Taycan, you can be pretty sure that, no matter where and how you drive it, you will see at least the claimed EPA range. For Teslas, Lucids, Rivians, and any other vehicles that use the 5-cycle method, you're going to be jumping through the hoops we're all jumping through on this forum trying to guess what our actual ranges will be.

Taking the long view of EV adaptation by the wider public, I think it is better for the notion to take hold that EVs do better than their conservatively-rated ranges than do worse than their more leniently-rated ranges.

 

[Adnillien]

There are very real issues that can reduce efficiency of some cars. The Scottsdale service advisor told me about one car with an incorrect toe in on the front alignment. The owner improved efficiency by 0.4mi/kWhr after the correction. I also think it is very difficult to judge efficiency on short drives because there can be small errors in SOC, kWhr used, AC getting the car to temperature, bootup time, etc, that make it difficult to get an accurate estimate. I do trust numbers from people who are driving more the 150 miles.

I do not completely trust the SOC indicator because I see it move both up and down when parked overnight without charging. Although I have asked several times, customer care will not give me a good answer for how SOC is determined or how the efficiency is calculated.

 

[imran]

How much of an efficiency improvement have folks seen if you change the smooth setting from standard regen to high regen ? I don’t like the feel of high regen but willing to take the hit of it’s a big improvement

 

[DaveyBoyGT]

There are very real issues that can reduce efficiency of some cars. The Scottsdale service advisor told me about one car with an incorrect toe in on the front alignment. The owner improved efficiency by 0.4mi/kWhr after the correction. I also think it is very difficult to judge efficiency on short drives because there can be small errors in SOC, kWhr used, AC getting the car to temperature, bootup time, etc, that make it difficult to get an accurate estimate. I do trust numbers from people who are driving more the 150 miles.

I do not completely trust the SOC indicator because I see it move both up and down when parked overnight without charging. Although I have asked several times, customer care will not give me a good answer for how SOC is determined or how the efficiency is calculated.

Very surprising that a wheel alignment would improve mileage by that much. Probably because the car is so heavy. Which begs the question on how accurate the wheel alignment is when delivered. Has anybody else had an experience like this? I also am wondering when the initial wheel alignment was done. At the factory? At the service center? A long trip on a truck to the service center or from the service center to a home could cause the wheel alignment to go out of whack. As a minimum Lucid should provide the alignment results upon delivery. I get my ICE car wheels aligned every 4000 mi. and they have to make an adjustment every time. I suspect that speed bumps, potholes, road debris, and poor roads are the causes of misalignment for me.

 

[GEWC]

I do not completely trust the SOC indicator because I see it move both up and down when parked overnight without charging. Although I have asked several times, customer care will not give me a good answer for how SOC is determined or how the efficiency is calculated.

I've had this happen when it gets down into the 40s at night but 80s during the day. I only see it on such days so I assume it is temp related.

 

[OCDC]

For better or worse, it was inevitable that everyone in the auto press and elsewhere was going to benchmark Lucid's range claims against Tesla's. Thus is made business sense for Rawlinson to use the 5-cycle EPA method that Tesla uses to calculate range instead of the more conservative 2-cycle method that Porsche chose to use.

This is an interesting point. Maybe the manufacturers should be made to publish results from both tests, effectively bracketing what range we can expect. Kind of an EV version of the city/highway mileage ratings for ICE cars.