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Engineering Explained. This is bad.
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If by "reported here" you mean the entire forum, there actually have been some strandings reported.
In one case, Lucid reimbursed an owner for a plane ticket due to a flight missed because his Gravity wouldn't start.
Our Gravity had a rear drive unit malfunction on a road trip. We made it to our destination but had to leave the car at a Service Center in a different state and drive home in a rental car. And our first Air also had a rear drive unit fail, although it was near enough our house that we got home in limp mode. On another occasion, the Air went into limp mode because the frunk lid jammed due to a loose hinge. I had to call for a ride home, and the car was towed across the state to a Service Center for repair.
There have been quite a few similar reports over the years here of which the details now elude me.
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Masochism becomes me, apparently.
I am one of the forum dinosaurs who still think cars are first and foremost driving machines, not mobile PDAs. And in over fifty years of owning some really good driving machines (including MB AMGs, three Audi R8s, Audi sport sedans, Mazda Miatas and RX7s, Jaguars, etc.) I had never encountered anything like our first Air Dream Performance. It struck a balance of power, handling, ride compliance, room, and comfort I had never seen in any car and, frankly, had not thought possible, particularly in its brilliant space utilization.
And Lucid again attained the near impossible in taking the Gravity to new levels in all those factors that make for that balance. I've probably repeated it a dozen times on the forum, but Jason Cammisa was not exaggerating when he said that the Gravity raises the question of whether other vehicle categories -- even sports cars -- are becoming obsolete. Every time I get one on the road I struggle to remember why I liked some of those earlier cars as much as I did.
That said, though . . .
Lucid, perhaps inevitably, has taken the path of other automakers in digitalizing most of their cars' UI functions, although they have at least resisted the Tesla temptation of getting silly about it. Having gone there, they now absolutely have to clean up their software act. Lucid software is the only thing that could break the spell their cars put me under when I'm behind the wheel (or squircle) -- and they have come perilously close with the hot mess that is Gravity software.
But I still believe the software woes are addressable through mostly OTA updates, and this has thus far kept me from turning away toward lesser driving machines for the passenger hauling needs of my looming dotage.
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I think the solution might be even easier? Just pop up a dialog box saying multiple keys detected and have driver select the correct profile to load.
I posted on his site that this level of dysfunction has not been my experience. I like everyone else wishes the phone connection was more consistent in waking up the car and unlocking doors. But the range of issues he is experiencing is disconcerting. I was in Thailand when I received notice of the newest OTA update. Just for the heck of it, I went ahead with the update from Thailand amd it responded perfectly. If I remember correctly at one point Rawlinson said he wasn’t a software engineer, and we generally welcomed when his original software lead resigned and he brought in someone from another company. Yet, software remains their Achilles heel. I hope this dramatic public shaming will push them to place a higher priority on software to get it right for all of us. And I do agree, having to open the glovebox via the screen was just a silly tech novelty. But how often do I open it? Seldom.
Frunk alignment can and does.
They are a bit lame, but they are a known quantity. My last two DDs were an E-Tron GT and now an SQ8 E-tron. Both had small issues, both were relatively inefficient, but both were finished, complete cars. Neither had software issues, as impossible as that apparently seems. Both were dynamically good, or in the GT’s case very good. And both kept me married, where if I’d gotten my wife a 100k Gravity with one tenth of the issues shown in this video I’d be divorced by now. So yea, a bit boring, but that’s not always a bad thing. Audi sets a bar Lucid needs to clear, for some buyers at least, and frankly even if it’s a low bar Lucid just isn’t clearing it for some of us, at least not consistently.
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That would be me who got stranded
. It was back in July tho and the car has not failed me since.
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Marques Brownlee, with his 20 million plus subscribers certainly did his bit to kill off Fisker. His review of the Fisker Ocean and its hot mess of software problems went a long way to turning off potential buyers. I worry that Jason Fenske's video here will have the same effect. Lucid should see Marques Brownlee's Fisker Ocean video as a cautionary tale. They MUST do something.
Peter Rawlinson gone, Eric Bach leaving, no real CEO named, more people in management leaving than entering, Lucid asking to borrow more money at a higher interest rate to pay off debts that carry a lower interest rate (at least that's how my Wall Streeter brother explained it to me), quality control problems, UI software problems, it's not looking good.
My Gravity GT entered production last week. I'm entertaining thoughts of cancelling my order, and unfortunately for me those thoughts aren't going away. Forfeiting my deposit seems like a small price to pay, so as not to be stuck with a car and car brand that is no longer wanted.
I bought one after watching his review. I regret it.
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Mine should enter production in two days. Hmmm....
Its too late though, they already whiffed the Gravity launch. Every single one seems to have problems. Reviews say it drives great but is poorly thought out and badly made.
IDK if the EE video will have that effect. Even Savage Geese said the Gravity is great driving turd, they tried to half ass and do too much, and wound up with a big mess of a car. I don't know how that really effected sales or if it did at all. While I am not Lucid fan, the issues EE had were kind of unique, I've never seen anyone on here have that software update nag, for example.
They are using higher interest debt ( which will be due in 2032) to pay off the debt due in 2026….makes sense doesn’t it?
Yeah, I'm genuinely worried now. The Air has been out since late 2021 and they still have not squashed a host of glitches in the car's software, and in recent months feels like I've seen significantly more glitches. I don't doubt car software is really difficult and the hardware platform is necessarily complicated, but other OEMs manage to do it. I don't buy cars often, and I'm still happy with my Air, but what will Lucid's competition look like in a few years when I'm ready for my next?
based on the info I am gather here and there
There is big software overhaul coming in less than 12 months for both cars to align with the mid size … this is speculation from my side
But what is not speculation is
I just met 4 days ago someone who actually saw the mid size and she told me that the car is shaping to be much better than air and gravity in every way … she said it is amazing
with her eyes glowing
And the design of the car is not a shrink down version of the gravity but a brand new design of its own with of course lucid DNA
in fact, she told me to skip the gravity all together and get the 3rd model
There is big software overhaul coming in less than 12 months for both cars to align with the mid size … this is speculation from my side
But what is not speculation is
I just met 4 days ago someone who actually saw the mid size and she told me that the car is shaping to be much better than air and gravity in every way … she said it is amazing
with her eyes glowingAnd the design of the car is not a shrink down version of the gravity but a brand new design of its own with of course lucid DNA
in fact, she told me to skip the gravity all together and get the 3rd model
I doubt the midsize will have all the tech/range/performance/ luxury of the Air or Gravity.based on the info I am gather here and there
There is big software overhaul coming in less than 12 months for both cars to align with the mid size … this is speculation from my side
But what is not speculation is
I just met 4 days ago someone who actually saw the mid size and she told me that the car is shaping to be much better than air and gravity in every way … she said it is amazing
And the design of the car is not a shrink down version of the gravity but a brand new design of its own with of course lucid DNA
in fact, she told me to skip the gravity all together and get the 3rd model
Well...Lucid has shown they can build an excellently driving car with spacious and comfortable interior design. In all probability midsize will do that too. What they have not shown is rock solid software, and that can't be assessed in a preview. I hope they figure this out by then. I would like my next car to be a Lucid!based on the info I am gather here and there
There is big software overhaul coming in less than 12 months for both cars to align with the mid size … this is speculation from my side
But what is not speculation is
I just met 4 days ago someone who actually saw the mid size and she told me that the car is shaping to be much better than air and gravity in every way … she said it is amazing
And the design of the car is not a shrink down version of the gravity but a brand new design of its own with of course lucid DNA
in fact, she told me to skip the gravity all together and get the 3rd model