Can anyone compare DDPremium vs. Tesla Autopilot (not FSD)?

[Xminus6]

In speaking to my SA today, he informed me that DDPremium and DDPro have different hardware installed, so you can’t “upgrade” your care from Premium to Pro down the line as the Premium version doesn’t include LIDAR.

Having closely watched the development of Tesla FSD, I’m not really concerned about buying the future promise of a Self-Driving technology, especially on a short-term lease where the lease will likely be quite close to expiration before the tech is really useful. But I was wondering if someone could compare how DD Premium works compared to Tesla Autopilot (not FSD).

When I’m on Tesla Autopilot the car obviously keeps distance and centers in the lane on the highway. When I want to change lanes I either need to disengage AP with the stalk or override the controls with steering input (or brakes). Overriding the steering is always a little bit jerky and you can’t really do it smoothly as the car always slows significantly when AP is disengaged. You can try to pre-load the accelerator pedal a bit to prevent the lurch but I haven’t gotten it to the point where it’s as smooth as if I were driving manually.

I know DDPremium doesn’t do auto lane-changes, which I’m fine with since Tesla FSD already rarely makes the decisions I would make in lane selection. Will it do car-controlled lane changes with a turn signal or does it need to be disengaged to change lanes? If so, how smoothly can you change lanes manually while DDPremium is engaged? Is it similar to Autopilot?

 

[TakeDuo]

So, I have an AGT with DDP. And I have a work Tesla M3 with Autopilot (not FSD). The most recent 2.8 OTA crushes Autopilot in my opinion. I use AP driving from office to office during the day and it is not as smooth to me. I relax when I get in the Lucid for the drive home.

Lucid will auto lane change very smoothly with just a light stalk input. No disengaging DDP. It accurately anticipates the changing speed of vehicles around you and adjusts your speed ever so softly. It lane changes like I would during relaxed driving. It does require the lane changes to complete before you can do it again. I.e. 6 lanes of change require that many stalk taps.

 

[DeaneG]

You can always change lanes manually too. When you turn on the blinker, lanekeeping smoothly disengages, and reengages beautifully when you turn the blinker back off.

 

[DeaneG]

You can also gently push to one side of the lane or the other using the steering wheel, without lanekeeping disengaging, as you pass a truck or whatever.

 

[Xminus6]

So, I have an AGT with DDP. And I have a work Tesla M3 with Autopilot (not FSD). The most recent 2.8 OTA crushes Autopilot in my opinion. I use AP driving from office to office during the day and it is not as smooth to me. I relax when I get in the Lucid for the drive home.

Lucid will auto lane change very smoothly with just a light stalk input. No disengaging DDP. It accurately anticipates the changing speed of vehicles around you and adjusts your speed ever so softly. It lane changes like I would during relaxed driving. It does require the lane changes to complete before you can do it again. I.e. 6 lanes of change require that many stalk taps.

Sorry, you have Dream Drive Pro or Premium? Or are those labels not applicable to the Air?

You can always change lanes manually too. When you turn on the blinker, lanekeeping smoothly disengages, and reengages beautifully when you turn the blinker back off.

So you turn on your indicator and it releases control of the steering wheel? You complete the lane changes manually and when you turn off your indicator lane keep re-engages? That seems like an elegant solution. But on Premium does it do an automated lane change with the turn signal? Is the Pro differentiation that it will also decide when it needs to do lane changes as well as executing the physical controls?

 

[DeaneG]

...So you turn on your indicator and it releases control of the steering wheel? You complete the lane changes manually and when you turn off your indicator lane keep re-engages?..

Yes, it's smooth and easy.

But on Premium does it do an automated lane change with the turn signal?

I have an early GT with Pro - I'm not sure of the capabilities of the Premium ADAS option

Is the Pro differentiation that it will also decide when it needs to do lane changes as well as executing the physical controls?

The car does not suggest or automatically initiate lane changes. That's up to you. When you want to change lanes, you tap or hold the blinker. The car will then change lanes when it's safe to do so.

 

[Miami_Lucid_Man]

While we’re on the subject, I have a very base 2025 Pure. I get it doesn’t have Lidar but what are the chances we get a basic Tesla Autopilot equivalent under the base Lucid spec? Can the car even do it with the hardware it does have installed?

 

[pavan]

I have an Air Touring with DD Premium. It does traffic-aware cruise (follow the car in front of you up to a maximum speed you set) very well. When traffic comes to a complete stop and starts moving again, it requires the driver to either tap the accelerator pedal or flick the steering wheel toggle up to start moving. It detects that the traffic ahead of you has cleared and will alert you, so I suppose a future software update might improve that. It detects speed limit changes and gives you the option to change the cruise speed to the new speed limit. It does not seem to detect stop signs or traffic lights, so I have only used the ADAS on freeways so far.

I don’t think DD Premium does lane keeping. If it does, I haven’t figured it out yet, I only picked up the car 10 days ago.

 

[Xminus6]

I have an Air Touring with DD Premium. It does traffic-aware cruise (follow the car in front of you up to a maximum speed you set) very well. When traffic comes to a complete stop and starts moving again, it requires the driver to either tap the accelerator pedal or flick the steering wheel toggle up to start moving. It detects that the traffic ahead of you has cleared and will alert you, so I suppose a future software update might improve that. It detects speed limit changes and gives you the option to change the cruise speed to the new speed limit. It does not seem to detect stop signs or traffic lights, so I have only used the ADAS on freeways so far.

I don’t think DD Premium does lane keeping. If it does, I haven’t figured it out yet, I only picked up the car 10 days ago.

You don’t think it does Lane Keeping? That seems like a pretty basic feature for a Driver Assist System on a car at this level. The website doesn’t really use the phrase “lane keeping” but the rest of the feature list implies that it stays in its lane and follows the road in DDPremium. I think “Adaptive Lane Biasing” seems like it would be or at require Lane Keeping.

Standard and DreamDrive™ 2 Premium features included:

• Hands-on Drive Assist
  • Extended Stop & Go
  • Active Curve Speed Control
  • Speed Limit Assist
• Traffic Sign Recognition
• High-beam Assist
• Automatic Emergency Braking w/ Intersection Assist
• Lane Departure Protection
• Blind Spot Protection
• Safe Exit Protection
• Front & Rear Cross Traffic Protection
• Rear Pedestrian Collision Protection
• Park Distance Warning
• Rear Parking Protection
• Distracted & Drowsy Driver Alert
• Rear View Monitoring with Surrounding Object Visualization
• 3D Surround View Monitoring
• Adaptive Lane Biasing
• Speed Based Suggested Lane Change
• Adaptive Drive Beam
• Blind Spot Display
• Automated Park In/Out
• See-through Vehicle Display

DreamDrive™ 2 Pro adds:

• Future-capable ADAS hardware for driving and parking with one of the most comprehensive sensor suites available
• Hands-free Drive Assist
• Traffic Light Detection
• Automated Lane Change
• Enhanced Automated Park In/Out (Parking between lines)

 

[pavan]

Where did you find this list? My owner's manual doesn't mention all these features. Here is what I see in the DreamDrive section of the manual:

I haven't noticed Traffic Sign Recognition or the Drowsy Driver Alert yet, the rest of the driving assistance features work as expected.

 

[terrycs]

You don’t think it does Lane Keeping? That seems like a pretty basic feature for a Driver Assist System on a car at this level. The website doesn’t really use the phrase “lane keeping” but the rest of the feature list implies that it stays in its lane and follows the road in DDPremium. I think “Adaptive Lane Biasing” seems like it would be or at require Lane Keeping.

In general, lane keeping works great on the Air. I’ve noticed there are a few instances where one has be aware of. These behaviors likely carry over from the Air … 1) if in the HFOV lanes in CA, the car will drift over to the right side of the lane when at the designated entrance/exit points. It seems to prioritize the right side lane markers. 2) it’s a good idea to hold the steering wheel when a motorcycle is splitting lanes from behind. The car doesn’t seem to react by cheating over to the left side of the lane. This is really dangerous when combined with situation 1) where the car cheats over to the right of the lane effectively cutting off the motorcycle that happens to be splitting at designated HFOV entrance/exit points.

 

[tarator]

DDPremium doesn't support lane keeping.

 

[DeaneG]

Dreamdrive has certain features, and is the Air's current ADAS system.
Dreamdrive 2 has more features, and is Gravity's current ADAS system.
This thread has been confusing the two.

 

[Xminus6]

Dreamdrive has certain features, and is the Air's current ADAS system.
Dreamdrive 2 has more features, and is Gravity's current ADAS system.
This thread has been confusing the two.

Yes. I posted this in the Gravity section so I assume it's only Dreamdrive 2. I spoke to my SA and he said that Dream Drive Premium on Gravity has Lane Keeping/Assist. The main benefit, as of today, for Pro is the hands-free driving, which I'm not that interested in frankly other than perhaps I might dislike the "nag" function like on my Tesla.

I have a highway test drive scheduled to get a better sense of it.

 

[RandomDesign]

Yes. I posted this in the Gravity section so I assume it's only Dreamdrive 2. I spoke to my SA and he said that Dream Drive Premium on Gravity has Lane Keeping/Assist. The main benefit, as of today, for Pro is the hands-free driving, which I'm not that interested in frankly other than perhaps I might dislike the "nag" function like on my Tesla.

I have a highway test drive scheduled to get a better sense of it.

Just be aware that not all test cars have all of the options. The current one at the San Diego Studio, for example, doesn't have DDPro, the tech package (so no HUD) and is a 5 seater.

 

[Xminus6]

Just be aware that not all test cars have all of the options. The current one at the San Diego Studio, for example, doesn't have DDPro, the tech package (so no HUD) and is a 5 seater.

Right. I’ve spoken to my SA. I live near enough to the HQ that I‘ll do my next test drive there with him. He says that the current state of Pro is pretty similar to what Premium will be, at least in regards to the things I’d like to test.

 

[borski]

The car does not suggest or automatically initiate lane changes. That's up to you.

The Gravity does, fwiw, so it’s possible the Air may at some point. But as always, buy the car, not the future.

 

[borski]

While we’re on the subject, I have a very base 2025 Pure. I get it doesn’t have Lidar but what are the chances we get a basic Tesla Autopilot equivalent under the base Lucid spec? Can the car even do it with the hardware it does have installed?

I wouldn’t hold my breath

 

[borski]

You don’t think it does Lane Keeping? That seems like a pretty basic feature for a Driver Assist System on a car at this level. The website doesn’t really use the phrase “lane keeping” but the rest of the feature list implies that it stays in its lane and follows the road in DDPremium. I think “Adaptive Lane Biasing” seems like it would be or at require Lane Keeping.

Standard and DreamDrive™ 2 Premium features included:

• Hands-on Drive Assist
  • Extended Stop & Go
  • Active Curve Speed Control
  • Speed Limit Assist
• Traffic Sign Recognition
• High-beam Assist
• Automatic Emergency Braking w/ Intersection Assist
• Lane Departure Protection
• Blind Spot Protection
• Safe Exit Protection
• Front & Rear Cross Traffic Protection
• Rear Pedestrian Collision Protection
• Park Distance Warning
• Rear Parking Protection
• Distracted & Drowsy Driver Alert
• Rear View Monitoring with Surrounding Object Visualization
• 3D Surround View Monitoring
• Adaptive Lane Biasing
• Speed Based Suggested Lane Change
• Adaptive Drive Beam
• Blind Spot Display
• Automated Park In/Out
• See-through Vehicle Display

DreamDrive™ 2 Pro adds:

• Future-capable ADAS hardware for driving and parking with one of the most comprehensive sensor suites available
• Hands-free Drive Assist
• Traffic Light Detection
• Automated Lane Change
• Enhanced Automated Park In/Out (Parking between lines)

That list is for Gravity.

 

[DeaneG]

The Gravity does, fwiw, so it’s possible the Air may at some point. But as always, buy the car, not the future.

Right, Dream Drive Pro 2 (Gravity) vs Pro 1 (Air).