Gravity; SUV or Minivan

FWIW, I just got my insurance bill from State Farm for our Gravity that is supposed to be arriving at the end of this month. State Farm classifies the Gravity as a "Sport Wagon". Having seen one three times plus recently test driven one, I think that's a good call.
 
FWIW, I just got my insurance bill from State Farm for our Gravity that is supposed to be arriving at the end of this month. State Farm classifies the Gravity as a "Sport Wagon". Having seen one three times plus recently test driven one, I think that's a good call.
Could you share the insurance “damage” difference between Gravity and your Air? Thanks
 
Thank you! This is fantastic, and surprisingly good!

I keep high deductibles, but they’re the same on both cars, so still a clean comparison.
 
I saw an article about the BYD Denza Z9 with the caption "DenzaZ Z9 GT Is A 1,000 HP Shooting Brake With Porsche In Its Sights".
Gravity has been called an suv, a sport wagon, a minivan, etc., but I haven't heard four-door shooting brake suggested.


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I started looking at some other car considered four-door shooting brakes; specifically their dimensions.
Other than height, the Gravity isn't too far off.
However, I suppose the three-row seating capacity takes it out of the category.

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Porsche Cross Turismo
 
I'm kinda amused that all our names for car body styles are still based on horse-drawn carriages.
 
I'm kinda amused that all our names for car body styles are still based on horse-drawn carriages.
True.
We just replaced the horse with motors and engines, but kept the carriages and enclosed them with windows.
 
The factors I think that affect the decision:
  • higher price means higher margins, raking in the most money in the short term to help stay afloat
  • higher price means fewer customers which means a smaller/shorter backlog of frustrated owners as the deliveries slowly ramp (Touring customers will still be frustrated, but at least they won't have forked over money yet)
  • only building one design lets them focus on the basics of building the new model which will be 90% lessons that transfer on to the other trim level when its production starts. Doing both from the start means they will not only need to work out the basics but also the issues with building both at the same time
  • (less certain) ?Getting the most capable model out to the press for the most positive reviews out of the gate? (If they had the Touring model available initially then (some) reviewers might want to focus on that one and some of the glow will be taken out of the initial impressions)
Actually, they made a mistake in at least one way. Instead of the Grand Touring being the only one for sale they should have "released" the base model and had the Grand Touring as in essence a required option on the first Xthousand sold. That would have let all the buyers get the $7500 EV credit plus any state credit. For example if you were in CO you'd also get a $5000 EV credit over and above the federal $7500 plus various credits for installation of your home box charger, trade in of ICE vehicle, etc.

Before everyone has a coronary over that's not the way new car manufacturing works, if you do not like the mandatory Grand Touring option idea the system just pushes your build day out a year. It's not like they're not an age behind on original delivery dates anyway. I am not a hater. In fact a buyer. I just hate giving away what would be free money for all of us. In CO that's close to $20K. makes an upgrade to the GT version free!
 
Actually, they made a mistake in at least one way. Instead of the Grand Touring being the only one for sale they should have "released" the base model and had the Grand Touring as in essence a required option on the first Xthousand sold. That would have let all the buyers get the $7500 EV credit plus any state credit. For example if you were in CO you'd also get a $5000 EV credit over and above the federal $7500 plus various credits for installation of your home box charger, trade in of ICE vehicle, etc.

Before everyone has a coronary over that's not the way new car manufacturing works, if you do not like the mandatory Grand Touring option idea the system just pushes your build day out a year. It's not like they're not an age behind on original delivery dates anyway. I am not a hater. In fact a buyer. I just hate giving away what would be free money for all of us. In CO that's close to $20K. makes an upgrade to the GT version free!

Can’t get credit without a delivery…

Counting your chickens too early.
 
This post is more for any who are on the fence about the Gravity because the SUV/Minivan debate.

As the Gravity (in Aurora Green) is being shown in more Lucid studios and online posts are made, as was predicted on this forum, there are comments about it looking like a minivan.
The comments often are about the rear opening being large and/or low.
The absence of a sliding rear door (a distinct minivan feature to me) rarely is mentioned.

The more I think about Americans love of SUVs I kinda wonder if people like the ease of loading stuff like groceries and small items that can be tossed into the rear space.
I know for me, that's an additional reason I don't want a car. A trunk is useless to me. Sorry, I digress.

I do alot of outdoor stuff with sizeable gear (biking, hiking, camping, fishing) and most of the time, in parking lots especially, I see pickup trucks with gear or SUVs with bikeracks/roofracks.
I don't like my bikes esposed to weather or possible crashes from the rear. I pay too much for them and don't want the inconvenience of replacing them.
I wonder if most people want the "sporty" look of an SUV, but are ok with most of them not being too utilitarian. That sporty look is why they hate the minivan look. It doesn't make you look sporty, even if you're not even using it for any sports or utility purposes other than groceries and soccer balls.

I don't see too many SUVs being used to haul lumber. I see pickup trucks.

I have a Honda Element that I use for my outdoor gear and occassionally for lumber or large item pick ups.
If and when my Element dies, I will CAREFULLY consider using my Gravity. Honestly, I can probably keep the Element running forever or just buy a used one when needed.
However, I like knowing that I can use my Gravity, at least for my bikes.
I also have three little granddaughters that I might allow inside; NO FOOD! :)

I wonder if people who are looking at the Gravity because of its sporty look, but believe it also looks like a minivan, might really just need a Macan or Cayenne.
But wait .... what about the third row seating?
If you want comfortable third row seating, especially for adults, consider:
1. Lyric - not as much cargo space; not much headroom for adults in third row; drives like a boat (aka land yacht)
2. R1S - if you can get past the cartoonish headlights, go for SUV rental Toyota Fortuner; lacks some of the ADAS tech of the Gravity; looks maybe too outdoorsy/sporty for some (I'll put groceries and people in there, but "bugs bother me, I'm going inside")
3. Vistiq/Escalade IQ- more space than Lyric; more luxury look, less sporty look; pricier than Gravity with less space; land yacht
4. MB EQS - butt ugly bubble, but go for it; pricier with less space
5. Polestar 3/Volvo EX90 - just another Volvo, same look, but an EV; less space than Gravity

In my humble opinion, the Gravity is the excellent SUV for those: 1) wanting/needing the sporty look and maybe actually need it for SPORTS activities, and 2) wanting/needing the UTILITY of useable third row comfortable seating for adults or hauling large items (lumber, furniture, etc.).

I'll add that, it has a swag/luxury look to it in addition to sporty look and based on comments from those who have ridden in the Gravity, it drives and handle better than most SUVs or minivans. Sounds sporty to me.

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The Gravity does have a minivan like rear but without the sliding doors it's still very much an SUV. The sporty look combined with practicality makes it appealing for those who want both style and utility. I agree a lot of people want the "sporty" SUV look but aren’t using it for hardcore utility. Your point about the third row and space is valid there are a lot of options with trade offs. Overall the Gravity seems like a great choice for those needing a mix of luxury sportiness and functional space.
 
The Gravity does have a minivan like rear but without the sliding doors it's still very much an SUV. The sporty look combined with practicality makes it appealing for those who want both style and utility. I agree a lot of people want the "sporty" SUV look but aren’t using it for hardcore utility. Your point about the third row and space is valid there are a lot of options with trade offs. Overall the Gravity seems like a great choice for those needing a mix of luxury sportiness and functional space.
I'm curious what makes the rear minivan like?
To me what makes its minivan-like is the short hood and what makes it wagon-like is the low roof height.
 
I think the low sill on the Gravity "trunk" is much more in line with most minivans than SUVs. And then the exterior cues follow that dimension, so many SUV's have a taller "center of visual gravity" as a result. And the clamshell kind of feel of the rear door panel also accentuates that minivan-like look.

These are not value judgements for me - I much prefer the lower entry sill of the Gravity, as it is far more practical and gives more interior room without needing a super-tall cabin, and overall this probably helps with handling as well. But I definitely see the more minivan-esque comparisons from that view.
 
I think the low sill on the Gravity "trunk" is much more in line with most minivans than SUVs. And then the exterior cues follow that dimension, so many SUV's have a taller "center of visual gravity" as a result. And the clamshell kind of feel of the rear door panel also accentuates that minivan-like look.

These are not value judgements for me - I much prefer the lower entry sill of the Gravity, as it is far more practical and gives more interior room without needing a super-tall cabin, and overall this probably helps with handling as well. But I definitely see the more minivan-esque comparisons from that view.
I have an aging dog. The lower jump-in height for him is much appreciated. With my current vehicle, I have a flip out step mounted to the trailer hitch receiver. But I'm hoping to avoid that for the Gravity, as I assume it adds a decent amount of drag on the highway.
 
I think the low sill on the Gravity "trunk" is much more in line with most minivans than SUVs. And then the exterior cues follow that dimension, so many SUV's have a taller "center of visual gravity" as a result. And the clamshell kind of feel of the rear door panel also accentuates that minivan-like look.

These are not value judgements for me - I much prefer the lower entry sill of the Gravity, as it is far more practical and gives more interior room without needing a super-tall cabin, and overall this probably helps with handling as well. But I definitely see the more minivan-esque comparisons from that view.
It's basically the first image shown below with the Gravity compared to the BMW, Escalade, and R1S.
Low sill/entry point compared to the other SUVs.
Also lower roof line unless you raise the ride height.
The guy in the video below called the Gravity a sport wagon.

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Then you look at these pics and the Gravity looks more like the Cayenne (SUV) than the minivans.

Gravity, Cayenne, Odyssey, Pacifica

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I call the Gravity a high-performance suv/sport wagon.
I think we all agree, regardless of what label we put on the Gravity, if it meets your use-case (aging dogs, strollers, etc.), that's what really matters.
 
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