Gravity test drive

[borski]

I agree that highway driving is what I mostly care about. It's very very rare that I do enough non-highway driving that I really want someone else to drive. That said, there is one scenario where handling the trip end-to-end would be valuable for me: driving me home after I've been drinking. I'd love to be able to have a few glasses of wine at a restaurant or a party and still be able to get home without calling a taxi/rideshare. Of course, that last scenario means that any form of "supervised" autonomy is not helpful.

It's gonna be a while until that is true; please, please, don't trust FSD to do this either.

 

[HC_79]

I changed my order from DD2 pro to premium after reading the discussions on Lucid software issues. Sounds like DD pro works well on Air?

If you had of asked me 12 months ago if DD Pro was worth it, I would’ve told you to save your money and just go with Premium. The last few updates to DD Pro have been huge improving on its smoothness and reliability. You can tell it’s getting very near to hands off eyes on which is coming this year. I’d definitely recommend people by DD Pro now for what you get today and how it will no doubt evolve in the future, it’s worth it now.

 

[JoeMa]

I agree that highway driving is what I mostly care about. It's very very rare that I do enough non-highway driving that I really want someone else to drive. That said, there is one scenario where handling the trip end-to-end would be valuable for me: driving me home after I've been drinking. I'd love to be able to have a few glasses of wine at a restaurant or a party and still be able to get home without calling a taxi/rideshare. Of course, that last scenario means that any form of "supervised" autonomy is not helpful.

Lol, you have me there. That might be one occasion where FSD would be very handy.

 

[Bus Driver]

Please do not use ChatGPT as a source of truth. AI does not understand what is the source of truth. It only knows how to sound convincing.

And even at that, it doesn't do a very good job.

 

[JoeMa]

Not to belabor Telsa's FSD offering, the area where they fail at assisted driving (IMO) is their use of cameras only. Cameras may be cost-effective for Tesla, but LiDAR systems like that offered in the DD2 Pro system, provide superior precision and reliability in certain conditions, like rain and/or snow. My son-in-law and a friend both own Tesla's and they have experienced issues using FSD in heavy rain.

 

[Batteryman]

Not to belabor Telsa's FSD offering, the area where they fail at assisted driving (IMO) is their use of cameras only. Cameras may be cost-effective for Tesla, but LiDAR systems like that offered in the DD2 Pro system, provide superior precision and reliability in certain conditions, like rain and/or snow. My son-in-law and a friend both own Tesla's and they have experienced issues using FSD in heavy rain.

My know someone who has almost got rear ended using FSD due to it coming to a sudden stop. They were travelling behind a fedex truck with red lights on the top of the truck. Going through an intersection with green lights, Tesla saw the red lights on top of the truck and applied emergency braking thinking traffic lights turned red. They came to a complete stop in the middle of the intersection.

Using just cameras is dangerous and irresponsible of Musk. He doesn’t care if it kills so one, he just wants his stock price to go up, pathetic human being in my view.

 

[TahoeMichael]

It's gonna be a while until that is true; please, please, don't trust FSD to do this either.

I definitely would not. I'm an engineer who has experience in machine learning. While I don't work in autonomous driving at all, I'm familiar with how brittle AI systems can be, and am quite risk averse about them when it comes to anything life-critical. The only current autonomous driving software that I trust enough to use is Waymo Driver. For Lucid's system, I don't know enough about it to have an opinion, but that would lead me to be quite cautious in how I'd use it.

 

[borski]

I definitely would not. I'm an engineer who has experience in machine learning. While I don't work in autonomous driving at all, I'm familiar with how brittle AI systems can be, and am quite risk averse about them when it comes to anything life-critical.

Good!

The only current autonomous driving software that I trust enough to use is Waymo Driver.

Same!

For Lucid's system, I don't know enough about it to have an opinion, but that would lead me to be quite cautious in how I'd use it.

It’s good, but it is definitely not good enough to drive me home drunk. IMHO it is better than Tesla, not as good as Mercedes (yet), but is better than most.

But the thing that makes me very happy is the significant improvement over the last year of where it was to where it is today.

It still has plenty of room to improve though.

 

[JoeMa]

And Mercedes Drive Pilot is very conservative in the US. Drive Pilot will operate hands-free up to 40 mph in the US, and up to about 60 mph in Germany. So it’s mainly designed for stop and go traffic in larger cities. I’m sure that will change overtime, but for now, they will continue on a conservative path and not injure anybody. But keep in mind, this system is an approved level 3 autonomous driving system, which means the driver doesn’t even have to be looking at the road.

 

[HC_79]

And Mercedes Drive Pilot is very conservative in the US. Drive Pilot will operate hands-free up to 40 mph in the US, and up to about 60 mph in Germany. So it’s mainly designed for stop and go traffic in larger cities. I’m sure that will change overtime, but for now, they will continue on a conservative path and not injure anybody. But keep in mind, this system is an approved level 3 autonomous driving system, which means the driver doesn’t even have to be looking at the road.

And they’ll accept legal liability if the car causes and accident while driving under Level 3 also.