Lucid and quality Vs Taycan?

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Hi all, brand new here. I put down my deposit maybe 3 weeks ago and am already being given a build opportunity, which strikes me as very quick.

I have read the reviews, but I also bought the Taycan based on all of the gushing reviews, and while it handles better than any car I’ve ever driven (haven’t driven the Lucid yet), it’s OS is pure garbage. The claimed mileage has dropped significantly, as have their claims about same, and I’m not looking to jump from the frying pan into the fire.

So, if any of you actually own the Lucid and are having quality control issues, including mileage issues, please let me know. Also, if you’ve driven or own a Taycan and have any thoughts as to comparisons, I’m all ears. Thanks in advance.
 
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Hi all, brand new here. I put down my deposit maybe 3 weeks ago and am already being given a build opportunity.l, which strikes me as very quick.

I have read the reviews, but I also bought the Taycan based on all of the gushing reviews, and while it handles better than any car I’ve ever driven (haven’t driven the Lucid yet), it’s OS is pure garbage. The claimed mileage has dropped significantly, as have their claims about same, and I’m not looking to jump from the frying pan into the fire.

So, if any of you actually own the Lucid and are having quality control issues, including mileage issues, please let me know. Also, if you’ve driven or own a Taycan and have any thoughts as to comparisons, I’m all ears. Thanks in advance.

Paging @Paladin732 who owns both. :)

I own DE#241, and aside from when I’m gunning it, have not had any mileage issues. Admittedly, I gun it fairly frequently in this car because, well, 1111hp just makes it too easy not to. :)

But on my road trip down and up the coast of CA, particularly while on ACC, I charged a total of three times over a week and a half, and could’ve skipped one of those (it was just conveniently where we were already grabbing lunch).

I regularly got about 3.4-3.5 mi/kWh on that trip, in Smooth, on the 19s, with ACC active for most of it. So not the 3.8-3.9 the EPA estimates got, but it also wasn’t on flat and windless roads (Hwy-1 is beautiful, but not exactly built for hypermiling)
 
I do!

So both cars have fantastic handling, but feel VERY VERY different. We actually had a concern about having two "kinda-sorta-supercars" at the same time.

The Taycan feels like a sportscar, despite the fact it is actually slower than the DE Lucid I have. The Lucid feels like a luxury comfort car.
It is actually fun to do launches in both and feel the difference. The Lucid starts slightly slower but really punches it between 40-80, whereas the Taycan knocks you flat right off the bat then eases up.

As far as software:

Lucid
  • has been providing consistent updates We have seen improvements and fixes every week.
  • Very slow startup when getting in car
  • Great app integration (albeit buggy)
  • Really pretty UI (Although someone needs to tell them to turn on anti-aliasing, ugh)
  • L2 Assisted Driving is just starting to appear with a bunch of safety options and adaptive cruise control.
  • Pre-sales is pretty poor right now, although they are working on making it better
  • Post-sales is fantastic. Chris (the tech at Millbrae) is absolutely fantastic and very very responsive.
Porsche
  • Porsche provided a single update the whole time we had the car. Sure they "say" there are random OTA updates, but I have yet to notice any changes with any of them. The one update I actually got? Had to spend 3 days at the dealer. In fact, they released a new fancy version of their PCM software a few weeks ago, and have said existing Taycan owners won't get it. That is total bullshit. I'm not buying a new car for Spotify integration. That should be given as a software update.
  • The UI looks like car UIs looked like 10 years ago. Seriously, my MyFordTouch in my old Ford Fusion had a better UI
  • SLOW SLOW SLOW for most things
  • InnoDrive (Their L2 system) is total trash
  • Slow service - My car has been in service for 3 days after it refused to start the other day. Updates are kinda terrible, this is dependent on your dealer

Any specific questions comparing them?
 
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Hi all, brand new here. I put down my deposit maybe 3 weeks ago and am already being given a build opportunity, which strikes me as very quick.

I have read the reviews, but I also bought the Taycan based on all of the gushing reviews, and while it handles better than any car I’ve ever driven (haven’t driven the Lucid yet), it’s OS is pure garbage. The claimed mileage has dropped significantly, as have their claims about same, and I’m not looking to jump from the frying pan into the fire.

So, if any of you actually own the Lucid and are having quality control issues, including mileage issues, please let me know. Also, if you’ve driven or own a Taycan and have any thoughts as to comparisons, I’m all ears. Thanks in advance.

I have DE #305, and have put almost 500 miles on it. Here's my perspective:

I spent a weekend with a Taycan Turbo S, thinking I was going to buy one to replace my aging Model S P100D. By the end of the weekend, I was very ready to give back the Taycan and go back to my old Model S. The Taycan had painfully low range. With a "full" battery, a bit of aggressive driving resulted in the battery being down to 70-80 miles within a day and that felt scary because mostly I am accustomed to having 200+ miles in the Tesla at all times. The Taycan handled fine, but not great because it's just very heavy. (I also own Ferraris, so I'm a bit tainted as to what real handling is). The things that bothered me about the Taycan were 1) it is very cramped and not luxurious), 2) the user interface was overly simplistic, and 3) the mechanical feel bothered me...I could always feel/hear the motor "grinding" or making its fake sound, and the road noise was very obvious (very 911-like). The isolation from road noise, tire noise and drivetrain noise was shockingly bad compared even to the old P100D. Going back into the Tesla was just so smooth, it emphasized how gritty the Taycan was.

The Lucid is not like the Taycan. It's also not quite like the Model S. It's almost like a combination of the two. It has nearly the smoothness of the Tesla (about 80% of the Tesla), with a very slight mechanical feel (about 20% of the Taycan). The Lucid feels more like a Porsche than a Tesla -- it is very solid and heavy and stable feeling. There was a time when the Model S was considered a good handler...very flat and not much body roll. The Taycan is better, smaller feeling (although it isn't smaller) and much flatter and more precise cornering. The Lucid is similar to the Taycan (about 85-90% of the Taycan) in handling -- it is big, but handles precisely and corners flatter with much less body roll than the Model S. The Lucid feels much higher quality than both cars, in terms of the quality of the materials that you touch/feel and the quality of the displays on the two screens. The user interface on the Taycan felt like a 1980s Atari game to me. The Lucid is very modern and sleek in comparison. There are other beautiful small touches in the Air...for example, the seatbelt or door open reminder is not a buzzer or beep but a delicious electronic "whong whong". The speed limit sign on the dash slowly turns orange and then red as you get higher and higher above the speed limit.

Lucid still has some work to do on its user interface. It strangely does not allow music to remain as the main page on the large screen -- it goes away after 20 seconds and you have to drag it back down. If you select the climate or massage features, they stay on the main screen so I dont understand why music won't. Again, it's almost like the designer(s) don't drive cars and therefore don't know that having the radio easily accessible at all times is useful. The car goes to "sleep" too much and once it is asleep it is slow to wake up -- they need this fixed ASAP. It is baffling that they haven't addressed it yet...almost like they never bothered to take home one of their own cars and live with it for 24 hours. The lack of voice-dialing and/or Apple CarPlay is frustrating.

But overall, as all the magazines are saying, the Lucid is superior to the Taycan if you are looking for a fast, comfortable, unique luxurious EV. I find myself not driving my Model S anymore. I don't think that would be the case if I had purchased a Taycan.
 
I have DE #305, and have put almost 500 miles on it. Here's my perspective:

I spent a weekend with a Taycan Turbo S, thinking I was going to buy one to replace my aging Model S P100D. By the end of the weekend, I was very ready to give back the Taycan and go back to my old Model S. The Taycan had painfully low range. With a "full" battery, a bit of aggressive driving resulted in the battery being down to 70-80 miles within a day and that felt scary because mostly I am accustomed to having 200+ miles in the Tesla at all times. The Taycan handled fine, but not great because it's just very heavy. (I also own Ferraris, so I'm a bit tainted as to what real handling is). The things that bothered me about the Taycan were 1) it is very cramped and not luxurious), 2) the user interface was overly simplistic, and 3) the mechanical feel bothered me...I could always feel/hear the motor "grinding" or making its fake sound, and the road noise was very obvious (very 911-like). The isolation from road noise, tire noise and drivetrain noise was shockingly bad compared even to the old P100D. Going back into the Tesla was just so smooth, it emphasized how gritty the Taycan was.

The Lucid is not like the Taycan. It's also not quite like the Model S. It's almost like a combination of the two. It has nearly the smoothness of the Tesla (about 80% of the Tesla), with a very slight mechanical feel (about 20% of the Taycan). The Lucid feels more like a Porsche than a Tesla -- it is very solid and heavy and stable feeling. There was a time when the Model S was considered a good handler...very flat and not much body roll. The Taycan is better, smaller feeling (although it isn't smaller) and much flatter and more precise cornering. The Lucid is similar to the Taycan (about 85-90% of the Taycan) in handling -- it is big, but handles precisely and corners flatter with much less body roll than the Model S. The Lucid feels much higher quality than both cars, in terms of the quality of the materials that you touch/feel and the quality of the displays on the two screens. The user interface on the Taycan felt like a 1980s Atari game to me. The Lucid is very modern and sleek in comparison. There are other beautiful small touches in the Air...for example, the seatbelt or door open reminder is not a buzzer or beep but a delicious electronic "whong whong". The speed limit sign on the dash slowly turns orange and then red as you get higher and higher above the speed limit.

Lucid still has some work to do on its user interface. It strangely does not allow music to remain as the main page on the large screen -- it goes away after 20 seconds and you have to drag it back down. If you select the climate or massage features, they stay on the main screen so I dont understand why music won't. Again, it's almost like the designer(s) don't drive cars and therefore don't know that having the radio easily accessible at all times is useful. The car goes to "sleep" too much and once it is asleep it is slow to wake up -- they need this fixed ASAP. It is baffling that they haven't addressed it yet...almost like they never bothered to take home one of their own cars and live with it for 24 hours. The lack of voice-dialing and/or Apple CarPlay is frustrating.

But overall, as all the magazines are saying, the Lucid is superior to the Taycan if you are looking for a fast, comfortable, unique luxurious EV. I find myself not driving my Model S anymore. I don't think that would be the case if I had purchased a Taycan.
You may not have had noise insulating glass option, I have not had any road noise in my Taycan.

Good point on Carplay, however, I will counterpoint that my Taycan can take 3-5+ minutes after I start driving to connect my phone to Wireless Carplay (maybe has something to do with both my and my husband's phones are registered?)

(Also, for context: If we could only have one car, I would do the Lucid, however, my husband disagrees and prefers the Taycan)
 
You may not have had noise insulating glass option, I have not had any road noise in my Taycan.

Good point on Carplay, however, I will counterpoint that my Taycan can take 3-5+ minutes after I start driving to connect my phone to Wireless Carplay (maybe has something to do with both my and my husband's phones are registered?)

(Also, for context: If we could only have one car, I would do the Lucid, however, my husband disagrees and prefers the Taycan)

If I could only have one car, it would probably need to be a Model S or an SUV. Today I tried to put a 24"x24" box in the trunk of the Lucid. Didn't fit. Too tall. But, Ithis is the reason I have an 8-car garage. ;)
 
If I could only have one car, it would probably need to be a Model S or an SUV. Today I tried to put a 24"x24" box in the trunk of the Lucid. Didn't fit. Too tall. But, Ithis is the reason I have an 8-car garage. ;)

Did you try putting one of the rear seats down? I fit a TON of containers from the container store in it last week with the seats down. Four shopping carts worth of empty plastic containers that couldn’t nest or deform.

Absurd amounts of space, if you put the seats down. :)
 
If I could only have one car, it would probably need to be a Model S or an SUV. Today I tried to put a 24"x24" box in the trunk of the Lucid. Didn't fit. Too tall. But, Ithis is the reason I have an 8-car garage. ;)
I think that box would fit in the frunk...
 
Did you try putting one of the rear seats down? I fit a TON of containers from the container store in it last week with the seats down. Four shopping carts worth of empty plastic containers that couldn’t nest or deform.

Absurd amounts of space, if you put the seats down. :)
The problem was that the trunk opening was too short. The depth would have been sufficient, even with seats up. But the opening is just not very tall. I tried removing the well cover so it was nice and deep...the box still would not fit into the opening. Maybe Lucid will make a Shooting Brake like Aston Martin....
 
The problem was that the trunk opening was too short. The depth would have been sufficient, even with seats up. But the opening is just not very tall. I tried removing the well cover so it was nice and deep...the box still would not fit into the opening. Maybe Lucid will make a Shooting Brake like Aston Martin....

Hm, I’d be curious if you could fit it in the frunk, or, put the seats down and then just slide it in from the cabin. That’s what I did with some of the container store boxes.
 
Well, I just went out and checked and a 24”x24”x24” box won’t fit in the trunk of my M5 either, too tall, so I won’t be missing anything in that respect. No eight car garage, but the wife does have n SUV.
 
Paging @Paladin732 who owns both. :)

I own DE#241, and aside from when I’m gunning it, have not had any mileage issues. Admittedly, I gun it fairly frequently in this car because, well, 1111hp just makes it too easy not to. :)

But on my road trip down and up the coast of CA, particularly while on ACC, I charged a total of three times over a week and a half, and could’ve skipped one of those (it was just conveniently where we were already grabbing lunch).

I regularly got about 3.4-3.5 mi/kWh on that trip, in Smooth, on the 19s, with ACC active for most of it. So not the 3.8-3.9 the EPA estimates got, but it also wasn’t on flat and windless roads (Hwy-1 is beautiful, but not exactly built for hypermiling)
400 miles of range on a charge in real conditions is fantastic. I would be satisfied with that mileage.
 
400 miles of range on a charge in real conditions is fantastic. I would be satisfied with that mileage.
The car and Driver article ended up driving from Newark to Torrance on 1 charge, barely made it I think 387 miles? They did it with the DEP on 21" tires I believe.
 
I do!

So both cars have fantastic handling, but feel VERY VERY different. We actually had a concern about having two "kinda-sorta-supercars" at the same time.

The Taycan feels like a sportscar, despite the fact it is actually slower than the DE Lucid I have. The Lucid feels like a luxury comfort car.
It is actually fun to do launches in both and feel the difference. The Lucid starts slightly slower but really punches it between 40-80, whereas the Taycan knocks you flat right off the bat then eases up.

As far as software:

Lucid
  • has been providing consistent updates We have seen improvements and fixes every week.
  • Very slow startup when getting in car
  • Great app integration (albeit buggy)
  • Really pretty UI (Although someone needs to tell them to turn on anti-aliasing, ugh)
  • L2 Assisted Driving is just starting to appear with a bunch of safety options and adaptive cruise control.
  • Pre-sales is pretty poor right now, although they are working on making it better
  • Post-sales is fantastic. Chris (the tech at Millbrae) is absolutely fantastic and very very responsive.
Porsche
  • Porsche provided a single update the whole time we had the car. Sure they "say" there are random OTA updates, but I have yet to notice any changes with any of them. The one update I actually got? Had to spend 3 days at the dealer. In fact, they released a new fancy version of their PCM software a few weeks ago, and have said existing Taycan owners won't get it. That is total bullshit. I'm not buying a new car for Spotify integration. That should be given as a software update.
  • The UI looks like car UIs looked like 10 years ago. Seriously, my MyFordTouch in my old Ford Fusion had a better UI
  • SLOW SLOW SLOW for most things
  • InnoDrive (Their L2 system) is total trash
  • Slow service - My car has been in service for 3 days after it refused to start the other day. Updates are kinda terrible, this is dependent on your dealer

Any specific questions comparing them?
Thank you, this is very helpful. For me, the Porsche wins on looks. It corners and handles unlike any car I’ve driven. I’m test driving the Lucid Monday, so I’ll experience it then. As for slow startups, is there a way to pre-start or preheat/cool the Lucid? If so, does that get rid of the slow time? I saw somewhere that upgrading the app helped, but did not fix, that problem.

I really haven’t spent much time in the Lucid, so I’m not sure what to ask other than what might be missing that the Taycan has? My Taycan had the 4 wheel turning capability, which allows very tight turns. I don’t think Lucid does, does it?
 
I have DE #305, and have put almost 500 miles on it. Here's my perspective:

I spent a weekend with a Taycan Turbo S, thinking I was going to buy one to replace my aging Model S P100D. By the end of the weekend, I was very ready to give back the Taycan and go back to my old Model S. The Taycan had painfully low range. With a "full" battery, a bit of aggressive driving resulted in the battery being down to 70-80 miles within a day and that felt scary because mostly I am accustomed to having 200+ miles in the Tesla at all times. The Taycan handled fine, but not great because it's just very heavy. (I also own Ferraris, so I'm a bit tainted as to what real handling is). The things that bothered me about the Taycan were 1) it is very cramped and not luxurious), 2) the user interface was overly simplistic, and 3) the mechanical feel bothered me...I could always feel/hear the motor "grinding" or making its fake sound, and the road noise was very obvious (very 911-like). The isolation from road noise, tire noise and drivetrain noise was shockingly bad compared even to the old P100D. Going back into the Tesla was just so smooth, it emphasized how gritty the Taycan was.

The Lucid is not like the Taycan. It's also not quite like the Model S. It's almost like a combination of the two. It has nearly the smoothness of the Tesla (about 80% of the Tesla), with a very slight mechanical feel (about 20% of the Taycan). The Lucid feels more like a Porsche than a Tesla -- it is very solid and heavy and stable feeling. There was a time when the Model S was considered a good handler...very flat and not much body roll. The Taycan is better, smaller feeling (although it isn't smaller) and much flatter and more precise cornering. The Lucid is similar to the Taycan (about 85-90% of the Taycan) in handling -- it is big, but handles precisely and corners flatter with much less body roll than the Model S. The Lucid feels much higher quality than both cars, in terms of the quality of the materials that you touch/feel and the quality of the displays on the two screens. The user interface on the Taycan felt like a 1980s Atari game to me. The Lucid is very modern and sleek in comparison. There are other beautiful small touches in the Air...for example, the seatbelt or door open reminder is not a buzzer or beep but a delicious electronic "whong whong". The speed limit sign on the dash slowly turns orange and then red as you get higher and higher above the speed limit.

Lucid still has some work to do on its user interface. It strangely does not allow music to remain as the main page on the large screen -- it goes away after 20 seconds and you have to drag it back down. If you select the climate or massage features, they stay on the main screen so I dont understand why music won't. Again, it's almost like the designer(s) don't drive cars and therefore don't know that having the radio easily accessible at all times is useful. The car goes to "sleep" too much and once it is asleep it is slow to wake up -- they need this fixed ASAP. It is baffling that they haven't addressed it yet...almost like they never bothered to take home one of their own cars and live with it for 24 hours. The lack of voice-dialing and/or Apple CarPlay is frustrating.

But overall, as all the magazines are saying, the Lucid is superior to the Taycan if you are looking for a fast, comfortable, unique luxurious EV. I find myself not driving my Model S anymore. I don't think that would be the case if I had purchased a Taycan.
Thank you. That’s helpful. My Taycan has the thickened glass, and there’s zero road noise, and though it has voice control, it often direct work for several minutes after starting the car and/or doesn’t do what I ask. So there’s no way to place a call via code in the Lucid? That’s pretty odd.
 
You may not have had noise insulating glass option, I have not had any road noise in my Taycan.

Good point on Carplay, however, I will counterpoint that my Taycan can take 3-5+ minutes after I start driving to connect my phone to Wireless Carplay (maybe has something to do with both my and my husband's phones are registered?)

(Also, for context: If we could only have one car, I would do the Lucid, however, my husband disagrees and prefers the Taycan)
May I ask why your husband prefers the Taycan?
 
Thank you, this is very helpful. For me, the Porsche wins on looks. It corners and handles unlike any car I’ve driven. I’m test driving the Lucid Monday, so I’ll experience it then. As for slow startups, is there a way to pre-start or preheat/cool the Lucid? If so, does that get rid of the slow time? I saw somewhere that upgrading the app helped, but did not fix, that problem.

I really haven’t spent much time in the Lucid, so I’m not sure what to ask other than what might be missing that the Taycan has? My Taycan had the 4 wheel turning capability, which allows very tight turns. I don’t think Lucid does, does it?
The app allows for climate control. Like the Tesla App, when you first start it up, the car is asleep of course. It seems that Teslas wake up faster than the Lucid, though part of that is signal strength for both your phone and the car. I had pre-cooled my car today and when I got to it and unlocked, everything pretty much booted instantly., but that's because the car was not in it's "sleep" state. Lucid definitely needs to play around with alternative sleep states for various systems in order to get the car booting faster. They have already made being able to drive it faster, although the remainder of the media/aux controls takes longer to load.
 
Thank you. That’s helpful. My Taycan has the thickened glass, and there’s zero road noise, and though it has voice control, it often direct work for several minutes after starting the car and/or doesn’t do what I ask. So there’s no way to place a call via code in the Lucid? That’s pretty odd.
Correct, there is currently no way (that I have found) to use voice command to make phone calls. You say “Alexa, call home” and her response is “Viice dialing is not supported. Try using the Alexa app.” At which point you scream at her, “WTF, Alexa, I thought you WERE the f___ing Alexa app!!!” And she then politely says, “Hmm, sorry, I don’t know that one.”
 
May I ask why your husband prefers the Taycan?
Driving dynamics. He prefers the sportier drive. I prefer the plusher drive.

Incidentally he likes my car better at the moment cause his has been at the Porsche dealer for a week :)
 
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