Wake up fool!!!

[marsarbu]

Yesterday I was driving back from LA to SD, around 8 pm, cruising at 80 mph in the car pool, chilling and enjoying the - probably best in class - Highway Assist of my AGT. Until it decided, without any apparent reason, to abruptly throw me into the concrete divider to my left. As you can guess, I did not agree, so I snapped out of my reverie and fought it back on the road. Adrenaline spike, strong butt clench and some expletives ensued.

I waited for a minute or so, to see if the demented AI will give it a go again at killing me, then I slipped back into listening to my podcast. 10 minutes or so later, again, same thing: strong, abrupt pull - to the LEFT nevertheless, where the concrete was 30 inches from my car. I was still happy with my life, so I said no to the coroner. This time I decided to get out of the pool lane so if I crash, at least I'm taking someone else out with me, I don't go alone towards the light.

Not sure why this happened, but it was pretty scary. Good thing I always keep at least one hand on the wheel. Never happened before but I don't want to think of what would have happened if my wife was at the wheel. She doesn't have my reflexes nor my understanding of car dynamics. Scary thoughts.

That got me thinking: this would be a great upgrade to the useless alert for driver drowsiness that all of us fully ignore. Have the AI do a strong wheel pull like this, together with the speaker screaming at you "WAKE up fool!!!", and some German rave from the early 90's in the background.

J/K. Stay safe, pay attention, keep your upper appendages on the wheel at all times.

 

[Halodde]

I suggest you note the date, location and exact time if possible and submit this to service. They may be able to dig into the cars memory and try to determine why it happened. That is very scary

 

[scal_air]

Nice that the car can drive itself...but I drive my car, thank you very much. Letting my car drive in Socal is more stressful than doing it myself - feel like I constantly have to be on guard for episodes like this. Maybe on a nice leisurely drive to Arizona...

 

[borski]

Yesterday I was driving back from LA to SD, around 8 pm, cruising at 80 mph in the car pool, chilling and enjoying the - probably best in class - Highway Assist of my AGT. Until it decided, without any apparent reason, to abruptly throw me into the concrete divider to my left. As you can guess, I did not agree, so I snapped out of my reverie and fought it back on the road. Adrenaline spike, strong butt clench and some expletives ensued.

I waited for a minute or so, to see if the demented AI will give it a go again at killing me, then I slipped back into listening to my podcast. 10 minutes or so later, again, same thing: strong, abrupt pull - to the LEFT nevertheless, where the concrete was 30 inches from my car. I was still happy with my life, so I said no to the coroner. This time I decided to get out of the pool lane so if I crash, at least I'm taking someone else out with me, I don't go alone towards the light.

Not sure why this happened, but it was pretty scary. Good thing I always keep at least one hand on the wheel. Never happened before but I don't want to think of what would have happened if my wife was at the wheel. She doesn't have my reflexes nor my understanding of car dynamics. Scary thoughts.

That got me thinking: this would be a great upgrade to the useless alert for driver drowsiness that all of us fully ignore. Have the AI do a strong wheel pull like this, together with the speaker screaming at you "WAKE up fool!!!", and some German rave from the early 90's in the background.

J/K. Stay safe, pay attention, keep your upper appendages on the wheel at all times.

I had this problem specifically on 5; whenever the left lane would cut out into a left turn lane, if the left turn lane was too long, the Air decided it really liked turning left. Was that the same that happened to you? On 5?

That was the only time HA screwed up; but because it was a consistent error scenario I was able to just watch for it.

 

[marsarbu]

I had this problem specifically on 5; whenever the left lane would cut out into a left turn lane, if the left turn lane was too long, the Air decided it really liked turning left. Was that the same that happened to you? On 5?

That was the only time HA screwed up; but because it was a consistent error scenario I was able to just watch for it.

I was on 405, but honestly I don't remember exactly what the pattern was at the time. For sure there was some change in the pool lane, I think it was splitting to the right to merge into the main traffic. I will try to replicate it. If you don't hear back from me, don't worry - you'll read about it in the papers.

 

[borski]

I was on 405, but honestly I don't remember exactly what the pattern was at the time. For sure there was some change in the pool lane, I think it was splitting to the right to merge into the main traffic. I will try to replicate it. If you don't hear back from me, don't worry - you'll read about it in the papers.

Heh. Seriously though, try to record timestamps and location if possible. Lucid does care about that and will work on specific instances to ensure they prevent them in the future.

Video is even better, but timestamps and location work well too.

 

[marsarbu]

Heh. Seriously though, try to record timestamps and location if possible. Lucid does care about that and will work on specific instances to ensure they prevent them in the future.

Video is even better, but timestamps and location work well too.

Yup, mcr16 reached out to me for details. Appreciated.

 

[HC_79]

When Lucid HA works, it works well. However, I caution drivers against relying on it solely and be prepared to intervene swiftly. After that speech, most people choose not to use it.

I believe this is the worst state a system could be in, perceptopn wise. Personally, I use HA quite frequently, but I experience some anxiety while using it because I’m just uncertain when it will malfunction. With other vehicles, I've been able to quickly assess its capabilities and limitations. However, with Lucid’s HA, it can handle a bend in the road flawlessly, only to attempt to veer you off the road a week later when approaching the exact same bend.

 

[Genghis]

Similar to this, instead of an abrupt pull, HA being unavailable when you encounter a traffic slow down? Sometimes it will go into stop and go mode following traffic and other times HA stops with the warning that it is unavailable. I can turn HA back on immediately but thought it is quirky that it just stops on a freeway where it is available.

 

[marsarbu]

Similar to this, instead of an abrupt pull, HA being unavailable when you encounter a traffic slow down? Sometimes it will go into stop and go mode following traffic and other times HA stops with the warning that it is unavailable. I can turn HA back on immediately but thought it is quirky that it just stops on a freeway where it is available.

I don't use it in stop and go traffic, or when it's busy. Not that I don't trust it, but I don't like the car accelerating hard to catch up with the leading car. I haven't found a car yet that does that smoothly. So no, I haven't encountered that use case.

 

[marsarbu]

When Lucid HA works, it works well. However, I caution drivers against relying on it solely and be prepared to intervene swiftly. After that speech, most people choose not to use it.

I believe this is the worst state a system could be in, perceptopn wise. Personally, I use HA quite frequently, but I experience some anxiety while using it because I’m just uncertain when it will malfunction. With other vehicles, I've been able to quickly assess its capabilities and limitations. However, with Lucid’s HA, it can handle a bend in the road flawlessly, only to attempt to veer you off the road a week later when approaching the exact same bend.

Funny, but you're right. My other cars' HA is mediocre so I'm always paying full attention, cause I know they tend to fly into the woods at the first difficult bend. But Lucid's HA is the best I had so far, so I tend to let it do most of the job, most of the time.

 

[lucidtouringman]

My HA just turns off abruptly without any notice. Happens regularly and I can figure out why. It's a bit scary too and I've stopped engaging HA as much now.

 

[Batteryman]

Yesterday I was driving back from LA to SD, around 8 pm, cruising at 80 mph in the car pool, chilling and enjoying the - probably best in class - Highway Assist of my AGT. Until it decided, without any apparent reason, to abruptly throw me into the concrete divider to my left. As you can guess, I did not agree, so I snapped out of my reverie and fought it back on the road. Adrenaline spike, strong butt clench and some expletives ensued.

I waited for a minute or so, to see if the demented AI will give it a go again at killing me, then I slipped back into listening to my podcast. 10 minutes or so later, again, same thing: strong, abrupt pull - to the LEFT nevertheless, where the concrete was 30 inches from my car. I was still happy with my life, so I said no to the coroner. This time I decided to get out of the pool lane so if I crash, at least I'm taking someone else out with me, I don't go alone towards the light.

Not sure why this happened, but it was pretty scary. Good thing I always keep at least one hand on the wheel. Never happened before but I don't want to think of what would have happened if my wife was at the wheel. She doesn't have my reflexes nor my understanding of car dynamics. Scary thoughts.

That got me thinking: this would be a great upgrade to the useless alert for driver drowsiness that all of us fully ignore. Have the AI do a strong wheel pull like this, together with the speaker screaming at you "WAKE up fool!!!", and some German rave from the early 90's in the background.

J/K. Stay safe, pay attention, keep your upper appendages on the wheel at all times.

I've got a solution, just drive the car yourself.....these systems are not foolproof and make errors quite often. I don't understand how people trust their lives with ADAS.

 

[marsarbu]

I've got a solution, just drive the car yourself.....these systems are not foolproof and make errors quite often. I don't understand how people trust their lives with ADAS.

Wow, that was insightful ...

 

[thommev]

I have used my X7's highway driving assistant (hands free up to 85 mph). It works very well, and after 1000s of miles of highway driving I dont think it ever did something like what you described here. You need your eyes on the road though, and it will start annoying you if you look elsewhere (including the console/car screens) and at 10seconds your hands must be back on the wheel.

I have very limited experience with Lucid's (2025 Touring), and I would say it is nowhere near X7s. The lane centering is decent but driver monitoring is crappy, hands detection on the steering is bad (usually it doesnt detect it even when I have my hands on the wheel). I dont think I would use Lucid's driving assistant much.

Having said that, I dont mind driving this car myself. at. all

 

[marsarbu]

I have used my X7's highway driving assistant (hands free up to 85 mph). It works very well, and after 1000s of miles of highway driving I dont think it ever did something like what you described here. You need your eyes on the road though, and it will start annoying you if you look elsewhere (including the console/car screens) and at 10seconds your hands must be back on the wheel.

I have very limited experience with Lucid's (2025 Touring), and I would say it is nowhere near X7s. The lane centering is decent but driver monitoring is crappy, hands detection on the steering is bad (usually it doesnt detect it even when I have my hands on the wheel). I dont think I would use Lucid's driving assistant much.

Having said that, I dont mind driving this car myself. at. all

I agree that Lucid does a poorer job than BMW at driver monitoring & hands detection. But IMO lane centering is better in the Lucid compared to the 2021 X7 I drove for a couple weeks. Or the same.

 

[Steveinarizona]

Yup, mcr16 reached out to me for details. Appreciated.

Many of you don't know how fortunate you are to have @mcr16. Most forums for luxury cars either don't have anyone monitoring the forum or, if they do, do it secretly. Having someone from corporate not only monitoring the forum but stepping in and occasionally acting like an ombudsman is a wonderful plus for Lucid. If only BMW, MB, Audi, Tesla, Lexus, Cadillac and Genesis did the same......(it is possible that some do; I am familiar with BMW and Genesis and BMW did not have anyone like @mcr16 on either of the two main forums nor does Genesis on the main Genesis forum).