Solar for Charging Purposes

[HariK]

I'm not a solar expert but I do have a solar system installed. To answer the OP's question, solar would be worthwhile, even under the new net metering agreement (NEM 3). However, the breakeven cost is extended. In California, the estimated time is 9-10 years under NEM3. And it is highly incentivized to install storage cells to avoid high time of use (TOU) periods, where you are charged much more for energy. Theoretically, your car could assist during these periods if we had V2H enabled.
This web page will help explain NEM3 and perhaps help with your decision about installing solar

NEM 3.0 - Is Solar Still Worth it for California Homeowners?

On December 15th, 2022, the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) approved the “NEM 3.0” proposal, slashing net metering benefits for California customers. However, solar can still be viable, as long as you plan your investment right.

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Does it make sense to charge the car during max solar production and use a smaller battery if you are retired or working from home?

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

2022 Air GT 15 mo. / 18500 km.
charge at home 50% charge / at EA 50%
Stay in 20% to 80% SOC . Been above 90% SOC three times.
garage kept.
Temps. -12 to 35

106 kWh capacity

It even has the tire pressures !

Love that it's all in metric.

 

[momo3605]

Touring: 86 kWh down from 92 after 5 months and 4k miles. All DCFC.

New thread?

Seems like a lot of degradation for low amount of miles and a very slow DC fast charge curve right?

 

[momo3605]

Perhaps we can get somebody who just received their Lucid to run the API and then we can get a better idea of the API number vs. max KWh??

I have 1000 miles in 2 months on my Touring and and mine says "capacityKwHr": 88.33999802544713. I really hope that doesn't mean 4KWh degradation that quickly lol

 

[xponents]

I have 1000 miles in 2 months on my Touring and and mine says "capacityKwHr": 88.33999802544713. I really hope that doesn't mean 4KWh degradation that quickly lol

Most likely does. Dont forget, the bulk of degradation is in the first year of the car, after which it levels off!

 

[momo3605]

Most likely does. Dont forget, the bulk of degradation is in the first year of the car, after which it levels off!

Yea of course the majority is in the beginning, but that doesn't matter. That's pretty bad. I don't think Teslas even lose that much in 20k miles. Even the Ioniqs we were looking at yesterday were much better (and they have way faster DC fast charging, which apparently means they don't care about battery degradation at all).

Like I mentioned before, my guess is these numbers are probably looking at USABLE capacity not total capacity

 

[SubSailor]

How many kWh did you charge at home?

I did 1 MWh for 2023 and 73.2 MWh for lifetime to date from 2020

 

[Lucken]

I’m at 87.34 after about 5 months & about 5,000 miles of driving. I’ve seen conflicting info as to what the actual battery pack size is in the Pure AWD. Some state 88 kWh and others 92. Wikipedia shows 88 for the single year release of the AWD Pure, which I tend to think is correct. If so, that’s minimal degradation.

 

[momo3605]

I’m at 87.34 after about 5 months & about 5,000 miles of driving. I’ve seen conflicting info as to what the actual battery pack size is in the Pure AWD. Some state 88 kWh and others 92. Wikipedia shows 88 for the single year release of the AWD Pure, which I tend to think is correct. If so, that’s minimal degradation.

Gross capacity is 92, usable is 88. @borski is it ok to calculate degradation from usable capacity for Lucids?

 

[HariK]

Mine shows 87kwH on the 92kWh battery after 1 year 1 month and 12.5k miles on Pure AWD. That is a 5.5% decrease but I wonder what the API would show when the car was new. I will be curious to see the result from a new Pure AWD or Touring owner with 92kWh battery.

 

[momo3605]

Mine shows 87kwH on the 92kWh battery after 1 year 1 month and 12.5k miles on Pure AWD. That is a 5.5% decrease but I wonder what the API would show when the car was new. I will be curious to see the result from a new Pure AWD or Touring owner with 92kWh battery.

Look above. I have 1000 miles and it shows 88.3

 

[HariK]

I’m at 87.34 after about 5 months & about 5,000 miles of driving. I’ve seen conflicting info as to what the actual battery pack size is in the Pure AWD. Some state 88 kWh and others 92. Wikipedia shows 88 for the single year release of the AWD Pure, which I tend to think is correct. If so, that’s minimal degradation.

Mine is also 87kWh after 13 months 12.5k miles. So, it seems that most of the degradation happened in 5 months for the same car. Your Pure AWD is 92kWh.

 

[Lucken]

Gross capacity is 92, usable is 88. @borski is it ok to calculate degradation from usable capacity for Lucids?

I’m not 100% on that. I’d find it odd for Wikipedia to quote usable capacity as opposed to gross. I would think if that was the case there might be a footnote denoting that. If it’s actually 92, then that’s not great. Here’s Wikipedia:

 

[HariK]

Look above. I have 1000 miles and it shows 88.3

Interesting 1k miles 88.3, 5k miles 87.34 12.5k 86.7 (mine). So basically a new one with 0 miles would show 89 on the API? Perhaps there is a buffer.

 

[HariK]

The 88kWh was from a wiki? What does the official number show? https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44106717/2023-lucid-air-pure-awd-by-the-numbers/
" all-wheel-drive Air Pure carries an EPA range estimate of 384 miles from the 92.0-kWh battery pack."

Lucid Air Pure AWD

All details and specs of the Lucid Air Pure AWD (2023-2024). Compare price, lease, real-world range and consumption of every electric vehicle.

ev-database.org

2023 Lucid Air Pure 20" AWD - Specifications and price

Specifications of 2023 Lucid Air Pure 20" AWD. Battery: 92 kWh. Market-dependent prices, MSRP. Market-dependent prices, MSRP.

www.evspecifications.com

 

[Lucken]

The 88kWh was from a wiki? What does the official number show? https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a44106717/2023-lucid-air-pure-awd-by-the-numbers/
" all-wheel-drive Air Pure carries an EPA range estimate of 384 miles from the 92.0-kWh battery pack."

Lucid Air Pure AWD

All details and specs of the Lucid Air Pure AWD (2023-2024). Compare price, lease, real-world range and consumption of every electric vehicle.

ev-database.org

2023 Lucid Air Pure 20" AWD - Specifications and price

Specifications of 2023 Lucid Air Pure 20" AWD. Battery: 92 kWh. Market-dependent prices, MSRP. Market-dependent prices, MSRP.

www.evspecifications.com

I really believe there was a lot of misinformation about battery size over time. The chart from Wikipedia seems quite precise in delineating each model and model year. I’m going with Wikipedia.

I‘ve never seen ‘official’ #s from Lucid on this. I’d love to see them if they exist.

 

[Cossa]

Interesting 1k miles 88.3, 5k miles 87.34 12.5k 86.7 (mine). So basically a new one with 0 miles would show 89 on the API? Perhaps there is a buffer.

Mine was 4k miles 85.98. I agree it would be interesting to see one with <100 miles.

 

[Lucken]

I gotta say before anybody starts panicking or drawing firm conclusions about degradation from these numbers, we really need to be 100% regarding actual battery size. Although I’m leaning toward the Wikipedia version, I can’t say I’m 100%. As I said, I think there’s always been some confusion about this.

Adding to the confusion, these numbers we‘re seeing from each of our cars may not even be telling us what we think it’s telling us.

 

[momo3605]

I gotta say before anybody starts panicking or drawing firm conclusions about degradation from these numbers, we really need to be 100% regarding actual battery size. Although I’m leaning toward the Wikipedia version, I can’t say I’m 100%. As I said, I think there’s always been some confusion about this.

It has to be 88 usable and 92 total. Otherwise how do you explain my 88 remaining capacity with 1k miles on a Touring?

Additionally the Lucid website shows the Pure and Touring get the same range and charge speed. Charge speed should be marginally slower if the capacity was 5% less.

 

[Uncle_Scary]

This discussion should probably be moved to a separate thread.
Field 4, capacity_kwhr: 88.34999802522361
Field 1, odometer_km: 559.4000083357096