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@socktucker do you have a Tidal subscription for your Gravity and is it set to playback Atmos? Yeah it would be nice to have a few more EQ bands but the car is tuned pretty well. While there are a few Atmos mixes that are mediocre, overall I think they’re mind blowing and what artists are doing (and remixing old albums) is pretty spectacular. Like Michael Hutchence died a long time ago but INXS 1986 Album Kick in Atmos is astounding. If you think this is useless you are deaf.
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INXS - Mediate (Atmos Mix)

Listen to Mediate (Atmos Mix) on TIDAL
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Or new albums like Billie Eilish’s Hit Me Hard and Soft https://tidal.com/browse/album/363232303?u

Or Yes 1970 Album:
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Yes - The Yes Album (Super Deluxe)

Listen to The Yes Album (Super Deluxe) on TIDAL
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While Atmos is still gaining popularity, I think it’s extremely exciting music is finally adopting what film was doing since the 1990s with multi channel audio, and what Kraftwerk has been doing live since the 1980s. https://tidal.com/browse/album/147049830?u

Contrary to being “useless” I can say that Atmos music has turned my car into almost a second home for me, as I spend quite a bit of time just sitting and listening and not even driving.
 
Electric123 said:
I have the same opinion about audio system. I’m not an audiophile, but can appreciate a good sound system and while Gravity audio is not bad at all, it is not as great as I expected. What makes otherwise average audio system stand out is how quiet the car is and how much interior space it has, making for a better listening experience.
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Well that brings up the other thing he mentioned, that the car was noisy due to the roof glass. Another thing that folks here have mentioned is how quiet it is.
 
hank-iv said:
Well that brings up the other thing he mentioned, that the car was noisy due to the roof glass. Another thing that folks here have mentioned is how quiet it is.
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I’m not buying that either. My car is as quiet as an S class. If you notice the one he filmed a lot of had an enormous windshield crack, no idea why but I’m assuming that’s going to affect tension on the glass and could lead to noise.
 
borski said:
He didn't need the bonus; he had already done quite well. That man lived and breathed Lucid. I'm not saying he made the right choice; I have no idea. I am saying he definitely didn't make the choice solely for selfish financial reasons.
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"Quite well" is subjective, he might have made plenty from our perspectives and still not enough from his. That said, I have the impression too that he was very passionate about the company, beyond personal interests. That doesn't always make for the best decisions either. Especially under pressure to improve results.
 
All in all, I would say the material of the review doesn't support the conclusion of it not being ready for a regular driver. That isn't to say the conclusion is wrong, just that the 3 main interviews with the aerodynamics guy, the suspension discussion and the software chat, don't relate to what makes the vehicle not ready for prime time. And in his own driving he seems disappointed that it doesn't tear up the track, even though it isn't intended as a track car. He does say that you feel driving over expansion joints in your feet.

Haven't watched his other work, but in this one video, I don't feel it is especially helpful to a purchase or not decision.
 
hank-iv said:
Well that brings up the other thing he mentioned, that the car was noisy due to the roof glass. Another thing that folks here have mentioned is how quiet it is.
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Given his project has been a year in the making, one has to wonder what generation of vehicle his is.
 
I bought an Air Pure because of these guys. It wasn’t anything they said, it was watching them laugh like maniacs tossing the cheapest Lucid around a track. I was sold - even with all the other little gremlins and issues. That said, yeah, the crawl out of early adopter territory is so hard. Tesla is really the only electric car company that has (kind of) done it. But going that way involves other compromises that are dumb (I am looking at you single screen for everything including the air vents).
 
hmp10 said:
FWIW, at least in our case, the rear drive unit failure was in an electronic component (probably in the inverter), not in the core mechanicals of the motor.
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Right that one is likely the new components related to the booster charging, not the direct rotating parts...
 
socktucker said:
I get 61db on the freeway, glass with 20s. That’s pretty good.
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Yeah but I think they are comparing to the German competitors which likely are doing a better job at isolating out some of the noises. I thought the Gravity we test drove was well on par with at least the EX90 and Vistiq.
 
hank-iv said:
Well that brings up the other thing he mentioned, that the car was noisy due to the roof glass. Another thing that folks here have mentioned is how quiet it is.
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First thing I did was to buy and install the Sunshade Set from Lucid Accessories store. It covers most of the roof and I love it, probably makes for a better sound too.
After reading all the Atmos comments here I'm signing up for Tidal now to see if I notice the difference, I've been living under the rock with Spotify.
 
petergottlieb said:
I bought an Air Pure because of these guys. It wasn’t anything they said, it was watching them laugh like maniacs tossing the cheapest Lucid around a track. I was sold - even with all the other little gremlins and issues. That said, yeah, the crawl out of early adopter territory is so hard. Tesla is really the only electric car company that has (kind of) done it. But going that way involves other compromises that are dumb (I am looking at you single screen for everything including the air vents).
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This isn’t meant to be a defense of moving everything to a touchscreen, but I am honestly curious about how often people are changing certain settings in their cars. AC vents, seating position, mirrors, locks, lights - in all of my cars for the last 40 years, most of those are a “set it once and never touch it again” kind of thing. I’d prefer actual buttons or switches for things I have to use/move/adjust multiple times every single drive, but most settings are just set it and forget it, so who cares if they are accessed on a screen?
 
msaunders9430 said:
Hopefully without trying to sound critical of the Lucid software team, I'm not sure if we have any automotive software engineers on here, but any feedback on the words from the software team in the video.

For the software engineers and developers on here: Based on what the Lucid software team members said in the video, do you hear or get the sense that the software skillset/knowledge currently exists in-house for Lucid to have software that matches its engineering?

I know that's a hard, maybe impossible question to answer, so maybe a better question is: Do you see the software team as being on the right track for where they need to go?
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I've been giving Gravity software team a lot of grief on this forum, but this video really helped me rethink my position and gave me hope.
First, it was nice to put names and faces of lead engineers in public, I respect their courage and feel more emphathetic towards them.
Next, the reference to hardware feels solid, I'll have to learn more, but it sounds capable, which means software has room to breathe and improve.
I also got a sense that problems stem from their desire to bite too much from the start, I've been in such projects where a lead individual is too ambitious and has too much decision power, but not able to deliver desired results fast enough. This gets resolved when enough pressure builds up from top and bottom, decision power is taken away, priorities reassessed, etc.
I think we have reached such point, so I expect improvements will come rather quickly.
I think the best approach is to keep their long term desire for unicorn farts features, but set it aside for 1-2 years and just focus on immediate quality.
 
Leftlane said:
This isn’t meant to be a defense of moving everything to a touchscreen, but I am honestly curious about how often people are changing certain settings in their cars. AC vents, seating position, mirrors, locks, lights - in all of my cars for the last 40 years, most of those are a “set it once and never touch it again” kind of thing. I’d prefer actual buttons or switches for things I have to use/move/adjust multiple times every single drive, but most settings are just set it and forget it, so who cares if they are accessed on a screen?
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I absolutely love temperature and fan levers, those are constantly used, especially by my wife who is extremely sensitive to environmental comfort. I bet the paint will wear off on those levers pretty soon. I'm also surprised how much I use the right touch swipe to move between screens, it's better than Tesla's mouse wheel IMO.
Don't care much about anything else, other than standard steering stalks functions.
 
Leftlane said:
This isn’t meant to be a defense of moving everything to a touchscreen, but I am honestly curious about how often people are changing certain settings in their cars. AC vents, seating position, mirrors, locks, lights - in all of my cars for the last 40 years, most of those are a “set it once and never touch it again” kind of thing. I’d prefer actual buttons or switches for things I have to use/move/adjust multiple times every single drive, but most settings are just set it and forget it, so who cares if they are accessed on a screen?
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We change our air vent settings quite often, both fan speed and direction. When running errands in south Florida heat and humidity, we often want a strong air stream blowing on us for a few minutes when getting back into the car, after which we slow down the speed and deflect the air away from us. It's not because the car is hot, as we usually enable the creature comfort feature. It's because we are sometimes hot and sweaty from running around. It's so, so much easier to do it in the Lucids than in the 2021 Model S Paid we had with its screen-only controls. It was one of the several areas in which I thought Tesla went backward from the 2015 Model S we had.
 
Leftlane said:
This isn’t meant to be a defense of moving everything to a touchscreen, but I am honestly curious about how often people are changing certain settings in their cars. AC vents, seating position, mirrors, locks, lights - in all of my cars for the last 40 years, most of those are a “set it once and never touch it again” kind of thing. I’d prefer actual buttons or switches for things I have to use/move/adjust multiple times every single drive, but most settings are just set it and forget it, so who cares if they are accessed on a screen?
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I adjust vents fairly regularly. I agree I don’t care as much about mirrors. I really like tradition shift, signal and wiper controls.
 
petergottlieb said:
I adjust vents fairly regularly. I agree I don’t care as much about mirrors. I really like tradition shift, signal and wiper controls.
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Having lost all those things with our 2021 Tesla, I couldn't agree more. That car was a real pain in the tuchus to operate, especially as the automatic gear selector tried to drive us forward into the garage wall instead of backing out of the door as often as not. We ended up always using the swipe feature on the screen, which was only slightly less annoying. A quick finger flick of a lever without even taking your hand off the steering wheel was so much easier.
 
hank-iv said:
Well that brings up the other thing he mentioned, that the car was noisy due to the roof glass. Another thing that folks here have mentioned is how quiet it is.
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It’s literally silent. If you don’t have the climate on it’s honestly too quiet. It’s eerie.
 
hank-iv said:
"Quite well" is subjective, he might have made plenty from our perspectives and still not enough from his. That said, I have the impression too that he was very passionate about the company, beyond personal interests. That doesn't always make for the best decisions either. Especially under pressure to improve results.
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Oh I’m not saying he’s perfect; nobody is. And of course his level of desire for wealth may be higher, but him doing this for selfish financial reasons would be counter to every single interaction I’ve had with him. That’s all I’m trying to say. Of course I can’t guarantee a thing.
 
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