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Savage Geese Takes a Long Look

Amazing SUV but I just kept cringing at the poor door gasket fitment in every interior shot.
 
socktucker said:
I agree with everything he said at the end where it’s inexcusable to call yourself a luxury brand but release a car with tons of known problems. I also liked how he said they did a bunch of things poorly, instead of a few things exceptionally. The Atmos is a great example. Why? Nobody wants that, give us a 5 band EQ you cowards! Facial login? Okay I’d rather have interior that doesn’t rattle.

But thy somehow 200% nailed the driving experience which truly is world class.
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Adding a 5 band EQ should be possible to add with future OTA. Speaker type and placement, not so much. Based on my limited time in car during test drive, audio was very good but not “Stellar”. Certainly good enough for my needs but a little tweaking would be nice.
 
Have started in on the video, will take a while to get through it today. I appreciate how open Lucid is willing to be. But I think it's also a bit sad to see this video come out now. Pre-release press coverage of the Gravity was unrelentingly positive. But post-release coverage has been pretty consistently critical, all while acknowledging that there are great aspects of the vehicle. The early coverage isn't going to be removed from the internet as Lucid improves the vehicle, and Lucid will be faced with reassuring potential customers that they've addressed the problems discussed, even a year or two from now.
 
TahoeMichael said:
Have started in on the video, will take a while to get through it today. I appreciate how open Lucid is willing to be. But I think it's also a bit sad to see this video come out now. Pre-release press coverage of the Gravity was unrelentingly positive. But post-release coverage has been pretty consistently critical, all while acknowledging that there are great aspects of the vehicle. The early coverage isn't going to be removed from the internet as Lucid improves the vehicle, and Lucid will be faced with reassuring potential customers that they've addressed the problems discussed, even a year or two from now.
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The biggest thing people are going to be critical of is what they see and it’s the software. While many of us die hard enthusiasts can appreciate the remarkable level engineering that has gone into the Gravity, to put it bluntly, the average car owner doesn’t give a shit.

Those 2 Lucid employees talked a big game about the software then they delivered a sub par version of it. I also question if Air & Gravity share the same codebase because if so, why isn’t the Air seeing things the Gravity has. Superchargers integrated into the Air Nav for example or the ability to run multiple apps. The kicker was when he said people should be prepared to wait up to 2 years for the software to improve and features promised to be delivered! If true, they really learnt nothing from the Air and making people wait so long for features.

Based on that comment alone I don’t see the AR part of the HUD coming anytime soon.
 
HC_79 said:
The biggest thing people are going to be critical of is what they see and it’s the software. While many of us die hard enthusiasts can appreciate the remarkable level engineering that has gone into the Gravity, to put it bluntly, the average car owner doesn’t give a shit.

Those 2 Lucid employees talked a big game about the software then they delivered a sub par version of it. I also question if Air & Gravity share the same codebase because if so, why isn’t the Air seeing things the Gravity has. Superchargers integrated into the Air Nav for example or the ability to run multiple apps. The kicker was when he said people should be prepared to wait up to 2 years for the software to improve and features promised to be delivered! If true, they really learnt nothing from the Air and making people wait so long for features.

Based on that comment alone I don’t see the AR part of the HUD coming anytime soon.
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Completely agree. If the much lauded vehicle dynamics Lucid is known for were paramount, people would be unable to put up with the prehistoric ride and handling of the Yukon Denali/Cadillac Escalade. In reality, the average SUV driver uses so little of the existing (subpar) capability, all the sweating of the dynamics details will be meaningless to them. But a door not opening or a screen freezing or phantom error messages will set them off.

But I realize stellar vehicle dynamics is core to the Lucid brand and ethos. And as a fellow car nerd and Lucid fan, they do that part as well or better than everyone. But this next move to the luxury family market needs to focus on getting the consistency details right.
 
MGRMLN said:
Completely agree. If the much lauded vehicle dynamics Lucid is known for were paramount, people would be unable to put up with the prehistoric ride and handling of the Yukon Denali/Cadillac Escalade. In reality, the average SUV driver uses so little of the existing (subpar) capability, all the sweating of the dynamics details will be meaningless to them. But a door not opening or a screen freezing or phantom error messages will set them off.

But I realize stellar vehicle dynamics is core to the Lucid brand and ethos. And as a fellow car nerd and Lucid fan, they do that part as well or better than everyone. But this next move to the luxury family market needs to focus on getting the consistency details right.
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I said the other day “if only Lucid put as much passion and dedication into the software as they do with the engineering”.

If so, the car would annihilate the competition and quite possibly be damn near perfect.
 
TahoeMichael said:
Have started in on the video, will take a while to get through it today. I appreciate how open Lucid is willing to be. But I think it's also a bit sad to see this video come out now. Pre-release press coverage of the Gravity was unrelentingly positive. But post-release coverage has been pretty consistently critical, all while acknowledging that there are great aspects of the vehicle. The early coverage isn't going to be removed from the internet as Lucid improves the vehicle, and Lucid will be faced with reassuring potential customers that they've addressed the problems discussed, even a year or two from now.
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Pre-release coverage was based primarily on short 1-2 hour test drives in vehicles that were thoroughly sorted, already open and running when they got in (similar to my test drive). For most people on this forum, everything (for the most part) worked when they picked up their cars. It was only in the days later that the gremlins all started popping up. Same with these newer longer term testers.
 
This car, and this early adopter life, is not for everybody, but in the end, given some time, he (and I do too) thinks that Lucid will get it there. It just flat out may be best for most average drivers to just wait it out for a bit.
 
9point81 said:
This car, and this early adopter life, is not for everybody, but in the end, given some time, he (and I do too) thinks that Lucid will get it there. It just flat out may be best for most average drivers to just wait it out for a bit.
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Total agreement.

I do believe Lucid will get there.
If the improvements are made coupled with the financial backing to continue operating and make those improvements, Lucid will be fine.

Definitely not for the average consumer, for now.
Unfortunately, the average consumer doesn't know that yet and will have to find out.

Considering automotive history, consumers don't forget, but they do forgive if improvements are made.
I remember in the 70's when Toyota and Honda were considered cheap, in terms of quality.
In the 80's I had a neighbor who used to call them "cheap rice burners". I took with a grain of salt because he worked at a Ford parts remanufacturing facility.
My '87 Toyota Cressida was one the top-rated cars.
Hyundai is another example of a brand known for low quality cars.

Those three brands continued to improve and today they are among the most sought after brands for the average consumer.
Total agreement with what @HC_79 said, if Lucid can put as much effort into software as they did with engineering, they're good.
What that means for the current software teams, time will tell
 
Pretty much what one would expect if you had spent much time on the forums here. EXCEPT, he seemed to be pretty thumbs down on the audio quality. That I haven't seen any comments about, other than the equalizer. Most people who have commented about the sound system have been pretty glowing (when it works). He was not. Comments appreciated.
 
merveille07 said:
Watching this put into perspective all the frustrations about the software that we vent here. There's definitely no excuse for releasing the Gravity with so much issues after the Air; but this make you realize people behind it are expert in what they do and are trying to do the best. I think they're on the right path; they just need to nail those bugs down.
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Hopefully without trying to sound critical of the Lucid software team, I'm not sure if we have any automotive software engineers on here, but any feedback on the words from the software team in the video.

For the software engineers and developers on here: Based on what the Lucid software team members said in the video, do you hear or get the sense that the software skillset/knowledge currently exists in-house for Lucid to have software that matches its engineering?

I know that's a hard, maybe impossible question to answer, so maybe a better question is: Do you see the software team as being on the right track for where they need to go?
 
I am surprised the lessons learned from the software (I am an early (not earliest) adopter and remember my nav was a complete mess when I received my GT-P in September 2022.
SUV buyers are not the same Beta testers as we have been.
Good on the Geese to say dropping a vehicle with these issues would keep him from putting his wife in one (at this point).
My biggest disappointment with Lucid is my front emotor blew up, I have never lost an ICE and I have been driving for over 50 years.
 
His car clearly didn’t have 3.3.5 since he complained about the fob not detected warnings multiple times. 🙂

I thought his final thoughts were spot on: “if…you understand that you’re going to be an early adopter of this car and you want what this thing brings to the table and you’re willing to deal with some of the things not being done yet, it’s probably one of the coolest, electric, fun to drive, actually really good driving cars on the planet.”

All that in a car that has the interior functionality of a large SUV or minivan is totally insane. I for one am super grateful to Lucid for bringing it to the market so that I could buy one. Hopefully they can squash the remaining annoying software gremlins soon, since if so it will dominate its segment.
 
HC_79 said:
Those 2 Lucid employees talked a big game about the software then they delivered a sub par version of it.
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That segment was so painful to watch. Knowing what most of the owners know now, it’s laughable at best and incompetence at worst.

They have no business releasing 🐕 **** software after that somewhat self congratulatory segment. I believe they even mentioned about something making it a “new car overnight”. In 2 years. Why does a new skin take 2 years to develop? In today’s age that’s just publicly showing incompetence.

As you can guess, That segment really really ticked me off.

The SC is the face of Lucid and those poor folks are overwhelmed due lack of actual working software.

That being said, I love the way it drives. Can’t wait to get it back from the SC.
 
hank-iv said:
Pretty much what one would expect if you had spent much time on the forums here. EXCEPT, he seemed to be pretty thumbs down on the audio quality. That I haven't seen any comments about, other than the equalizer. Most people who have commented about the sound system have been pretty glowing (when it works). He was not. Comments appreciated.
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I think the audio is outstanding for my use. I’m no audiophile but it sounds as good as my Taycan and I thought that had really solid audio. It should, however, have a bit more customization for the equalizer, but that’s my only minor gripe on it. I love the Dolby Audio on Tidal and so many songs I’ve known and loved for decades sound completely new and I’m noticing new parts of the audio I never heard before (I know in some tracks, when enhanced for Dolby that they are adding something to it). I’m sure it’s not as good as top of the line audio systems out there, and I hear amazing things about the Volvo EX-90 sound system, but for me, it’s just awesome enough.
 
hank-iv said:
Pretty much what one would expect if you had spent much time on the forums here. EXCEPT, he seemed to be pretty thumbs down on the audio quality. That I haven't seen any comments about, other than the equalizer. Most people who have commented about the sound system have been pretty glowing (when it works). He was not. Comments appreciated.
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I think he’s wrong. He was promoting the B&W system with the very visible but not very useful tiny middle tweeter and their sound stage simulator DSPs as high fideility audio quality. I have that system in my wife’s Volvo, the Lucid sounds better. He said the tweeters were up in the air, he’s dead wrong, those are height channels for Atmos, and if you run the Dolby channel identifier track you can tell that along with how well balanced the true center channel is.
 
Software! That’s what made Tesla a success…..duh

This is what will kill the brand. It’s very disappointing they messed up a 2nd time. I mean come on…….get your software teams in order! Duh…..
 
gaskiller said:
Software! That’s what made Tesla a success…..duh
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I'm not an owner yet, but I'm less worried about software (medium-to-long term), and more slightly worried about the motors (and/or inverters) that have needed replacing so far.

The software will improve. The hardware will age and experience stress. Hopefully whatever will fail, fails early (within warranty), and they figure out and fix whatever caused the issues.
 
Ironhorse said:
That segment was so painful to watch. Knowing what most of the owners know now, it’s laughable at best and incompetence at worst.

They have no business releasing 🐕 **** software after that somewhat self congratulatory segment. I believe they even mentioned about something making it a “new car overnight”. In 2 years. Why does a new skin take 2 years to develop? In today’s age that’s just publicly showing incompetence.

As you can guess, That segment really really ticked me off.

The SC is the face of Lucid and those poor folks are overwhelmed due lack of actual working software.

That being said, I love the way it drives. Can’t wait to get it back from the SC.
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Their discussion about software was all about architecture and platform capabilities. Nothing they said sounded particularly crazy, except perhaps for a brief bit where they talked about how customized per car the software could theoretically be. Building a flexible software platform can certainly be expected to take 2 years. Actually, I'd view that as an aggressive timeframe for such a project. Assuming that part of the video was filmed about a year ago, then it's not surprising that there are currently numerous software bugs on such a complex system that's only 3 years old. Platform capabilities are an entirely separate topic from reliability, testing, and software QA. It's the latter part they messed up on.
 
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