Range Questions after first trip

[Blue Lectroid]

Not sure it really matters in terms of the exact mathematical function…it goes up way faster than linear…

 

[RMSko]

I generally get about 70% of the stated range. I average about 3.0 miles per kwh.

I just got my car last week and I’ve also been averaging about 3.0 miles per kWh. It’s the winter here and so I expect that will improve in the summer.

 

[Knucklehead]

I just got my car last week and I’ve also been averaging about 3.0 miles per kWh. It’s the winter here and so I expect that will improve in the summer.

Thank you for your perspective, but if you can provide more specifics such as the speeds you drive and how warm you keep your cabin it would be helpful. I see you have a Touring. Does it have the glass roof or the metal roof? IMO a metal roof will measurably reduce climate control use.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Today it was 28 degrees F with a howling wind and I went out for a hilly drive on roads with 45-50mph speed limits. I drove only 30 miles. BUT I preheated the car before leaving and the battery had just finished charging so I didn’t even need the heat on (it was a bright sunny day) and I averaged 4.45 m/kWh. 25 AGT metal roof 19” wheels…

I am really looking forward to seeing how efficient the car is in warm weather!!!

 

[RMSko]

Thank you for your perspective, but if you can provide more specifics such as the speeds you drive and how warm you keep your cabin it would be helpful. I see you have a Touring. Does it have the glass roof or the metal roof? IMO a metal roof will measurably reduce climate control use.

Most of my driving is very short distances and even though my car is garages, it’s cold. I keep the cabin about 71, I have the 20” wheels and yes, I do have the glass roof and so I’m not at all surprised at the 3 miles per kWh - with my Audi Q8 I was typically only getting 1.5 in the winter.

 

[dscafetta]

Today it was 28 degrees F with a howling wind and I went out for a hilly drive on roads with 45-50mph speed limits. I drove only 30 miles. BUT I preheated the car before leaving and the battery had just finished charging so I didn’t even need the heat on (it was a bright sunny day) and I averaged 4.45 m/kWh. 25 AGT metal roof 19” wheels…

I am really looking forward to seeing how efficient the car is in warm weather!!!

Just don't use the AC if you are looking for better fuel economy...

 

[californiaboy935]

You need to change your tires/wheels. The 20s are summer tires and shouldn't be driven in temps under 45F. You risk catastrophic failure of the tire rubber in cold weather.

In my personal real-world driving across California on routes from Hesperia to Santa Barbara and San Diego, I’ve never come close to achieving the EPA-rated range in my 2022 Lucid Air GT. Even under ideal conditions, cruising at 70 mph on sunny 80-degree days with properly inflated 19-inch all-season tires, the best I’ve personally achieved is 485 miles, far short of the 516 some reviewers have been able to achieve.

EVs rarely meet their rated range because EPA estimates are based on controlled lab tests that don’t reflect real-world factors like sustained highway speeds, elevation changes, climate control use, and battery conditioning. Lucid updates.com has a great breakdown of why the EPA testing methodology doesn’t align with actual driving conditions.

Yes, also talked about extensively and on lucidupdates.com; is the fact that EPA range isn’t realistic unless you got 58 and are driving Ms. Daisy.

All to this to say. Be careful as the heating and cooling cycles can do a number on summer sport tires in the cold. If living in Wyoming for a year a long time ago taught me one thing is that you need the right tires for the job.

 

[momo3605]

Most of my driving is very short distances and even though my car is garages, it’s cold. I keep the cabin about 71, I have the 20” wheels and yes, I do have the glass roof and so I’m not at all surprised at the 3 miles per kWh - with my Audi Q8 I was typically only getting 1.5 in the winter.

I assume you mean etron suv? 1.5 miles/kw in winter?

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Prior to 2024 the EPA tests were different. The 2025 Lucid’s were the first to be tested under EPA’s new protocol (which is more stringent and therefore more realistic).

Based on my personal (admittedly limited) experience with both a 2022 AGT and a 2025 AGT, I believe that the 2025’s CAN achieve their EPA rating in reasonably mild climates with reasonable driving practices and the 2024 and earlier cars CANNOT.

Many aspects of the 2025 AGT have been upgraded…battery chemistry and capacity, heat pump, electromagnetic motor efficiency, thermal management…these things are real and add up to an appreciably more efficient package. My own recent experience has yielded over 20% more efficiency out of the 2025 compared with the 2022. While I wouldn’t bank on that full 20% being accurate, I am 100% certain that the efficiency improvements in the 2025 AGT are meaningful and that the real world range has improved WELL NORTH of 10%…

What I do find strange is why Lucid has not marketed this. When you take the world’s most efficient EV and improve its efficiency and range significantly, why not actively and loudly market it?

 

[fisheral]

Prior to 2024 the EPA tests were different. The 2025 Lucid’s were the first to be tested under EPA’s new protocol (which is more stringent and therefore more realistic).

Based on my personal (admittedly limited) experience with both a 2022 AGT and a 2025 AGT, I believe that the 2025’s CAN achieve their EPA rating in reasonably mild climates with reasonable driving practices and the 2024 and earlier cars CANNOT.

Many aspects of the 2025 AGT have been upgraded…battery chemistry and capacity, heat pump, electromagnetic motor efficiency, thermal management…these things are real and add up to an appreciably more efficient package. My own recent experience has yielded over 20% more efficiency out of the 2025 compared with the 2022. While I wouldn’t bank on that full 20% being accurate, I am 100% certain that the efficiency improvements in the 2025 AGT are meaningful and that the real world range has improved WELL NORTH of 10%…

What I do find strange is why Lucid has not marketed this. When you take the world’s most efficient EV and improve its efficiency and range significantly, why not actively and loudly market it?

I think they don’t market it because that would be admitting their pre-2005 numbers are mostly BS in all but nearly perfect conditions. There’s no way with massive efficiency changes the pre 2025 and 2025 models really have the same range.

Contrast this with the German manufacturers, who seem to be cautiously understating their range numbers. I’ve seen numerous tests come out with a higher range than advertised.

 

[RMSko]

I assume you mean etron suv? 1.5 miles/kw in winter?

Yes, e-tron SUV SB and got at best 1.5 in the winter and often less

 

[californiaboy935]

On my most recent drive to Los Angeles, I was absolutely blown away by the incredible efficiency and range of my Lucid Air Grand Touring. Heading down the hill, I managed to hit an astonishing 6.21 miles per kWh—an efficiency level that feels almost unreal for a luxury EV of this caliber. What’s even more impressive is that even after climbing back up the pass, with an elevation gain of around 3,700 feet, I still maintained a solid 5.0 miles per kWh. Seeing these kinds of numbers, even under varying terrain conditions, just reinforces why I love this car. The long-range capability means I can take road trips without constantly worrying about charging stops, and the efficiency makes every drive an absolute pleasure. It’s safe to say that the Lucid Air’s range is in a league of its own!

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Yes, the efficiency of my 2025 AGT is quite remarkable. I have only driven it thus far in rather harsh, winter conditions (never above 45 degrees yet and most of it between 15 and 35 degrees) and thus far I am still averaging 3.85 mi/kWh. Today is going to be mid-50's here for the first time in months. I do have a nice long drive today (90 miles roundtrip) and am really looking forward to seeing how the car does!

 

[Lucken]

On my most recent drive to Los Angeles, I was absolutely blown away by the incredible efficiency and range of my Lucid Air Grand Touring. Heading down the hill, I managed to hit an astonishing 6.21 miles per kWh—an efficiency level that feels almost unreal for a luxury EV of this caliber. What’s even more impressive is that even after climbing back up the pass, with an elevation gain of around 3,700 feet, I still maintained a solid 5.0 miles per kWh. Seeing these kinds of numbers, even under varying terrain conditions, just reinforces why I love this car. The long-range capability means I can take road trips without constantly worrying about charging stops, and the efficiency makes every drive an absolute pleasure. It’s safe to say that the Lucid Air’s range is in a league of its own!

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Yup, I’ve really been delighted with the efficiency of my 23 Pure AWD. Below is my lifetime efficiency as we approach the end of winter, still just over 4, despite a significantly colder than average winter here in NY. The last trip posted, Trip B, was done in temps of mostly the low 30s. No complaints here!

 

[californiaboy935]

Driving on the same charge today, and efficiency has continued to delight and amaze. @Blue Lectroid I am riding in a GT 22' on 19" so I don't have the 2025 architecture or heat pumps you've described. Tho I wish I did! Even so, the range on a single charge has been fantastic! Especially as the battery is not new and has been used at breakneck speed most of its lifetime!!

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Yesterday I averaged 4.88 mi/kWh over 94 miles of which roughly 75% was highway at 65-70 mph. The rest was around suburban streets and secondary roads. Temps were mid-50’s with no need for climate control. ‘25 AGT with 19’s. This further supports my thesis that I will easily be able to achieve EPA range over the course of a full year given that I took delivery 12/15/24 and we had a VERY cold Winter. Lifetime average on the car is now up to 3.92…

 

[californiaboy935]

Yesterday I averaged 4.88 mi/kWh over 94 miles of which roughly 75% was highway at 65-70 mph. The rest was around suburban streets and secondary roads. Temps were mid-50’s with no need for climate control. ‘25 AGT with 19’s. This further supports my thesis that I will easily be able to achieve EPA range over the course of a full year given that I took delivery 12/15/24 and we had a VERY cold Winter. Lifetime average on the car is now up to 3.92…

Wow! That’s amazing!!

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Wow! That’s amazing!!

Thanks! It wasn’t like I was even trying…the car just is really efficient.

 

[californiaboy935]

Thanks! It wasn’t like I was even trying…the car just is really efficient.

Darn it, you’re making me want to upgrade.