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I am new to the EV market. The 3x per week long commute (27 miles one way) is a strong incentive, and weekend road trips to BC is another (based out of Seattle).

I've always like Lucid, but entry price has been a blocker. Lately though, I start seeing AWD Pre-owned Air get into price point that are quite attractive. If I may ask questions to all the experienced Lucid owners here:

1. Based on what I read, a lot of SW bugs have been fixed, and having an older MY does not preclude it from getting the updates? Is that true?
2. On pre-owned market, I've been looking mostly at CPO cars, but there are quite a few listing out there that are non-Lucid posted. For those non-Lucid sourced cars, how do they get SW updates, or even HW updates? Does Lucid service centers have options for owners to bring their cars in - and get upgrades done (whether it is HW or SW) at a cost?
3. A good friend of ours have Tesla Model X, and he's one of the original adopter of FSD - and that ADAS seems really nice for long road trips and whatnot. Is Dream Drive Pro an equivalent for it yet - or if not, is there even a plan from Lucid to get it to that level?
4. I am still torn between buy vs lease - curious to hear y'all opinions and considerations? I know that this is a personal decision - but still interested to hear from anybody.
5. When I grew up - reliable cars = Honda or Toyota (or their brethren brands), so the idea of new EV CHR and BZ are appealing (from reliability POV) but pre-owned Pure price is not too far - and yes, they are not apples to apples AT ALL, but with all the latest SW updates and whatnot - has Lucid reached a state that's stable enough where ownership experience is good (as in problem free, in a sense that I need an EV that works taking me from point A to B all the time).

Would appreciate hearing all kinds of opinions from all the experienced owners here.

Thank you in advance.
 
They still have lots of software problems. It’s been out 5 years and still locks you out of your car. 6 months ago they did an update that broke destination sharing from Maps and it’s still not fixed. The last update broke the seats for some us and CarPlay too.

If I had to spend 54 miles a day in a car I’d rather it be a Lucid than a Tesla tho. If you get a good one.
 
r0m8470 said:
I am new to the EV market. The 3x per week long commute (27 miles one way) is a strong incentive, and weekend road trips to BC is another (based out of Seattle).

I've always like Lucid, but entry price has been a blocker. Lately though, I start seeing AWD Pre-owned Air get into price point that are quite attractive. If I may ask questions to all the experienced Lucid owners here:

1. Based on what I read, a lot of SW bugs have been fixed, and having an older MY does not preclude it from getting the updates? Is that true?
2. On pre-owned market, I've been looking mostly at CPO cars, but there are quite a few listing out there that are non-Lucid posted. For those non-Lucid sourced cars, how do they get SW updates, or even HW updates? Does Lucid service centers have options for owners to bring their cars in - and get upgrades done (whether it is HW or SW) at a cost?
3. A good friend of ours have Tesla Model X, and he's one of the original adopter of FSD - and that ADAS seems really nice for long road trips and whatnot. Is Dream Drive Pro an equivalent for it yet - or if not, is there even a plan from Lucid to get it to that level?
4. I am still torn between buy vs lease - curious to hear y'all opinions and considerations? I know that this is a personal decision - but still interested to hear from anybody.
5. When I grew up - reliable cars = Honda or Toyota (or their brethren brands), so the idea of new EV CHR and BZ are appealing (from reliability POV) but pre-owned Pure price is not too far - and yes, they are not apples to apples AT ALL, but with all the latest SW updates and whatnot - has Lucid reached a state that's stable enough where ownership experience is good (as in problem free, in a sense that I need an EV that works taking me from point A to B all the time).

Would appreciate hearing all kinds of opinions from all the experienced owners here.

Thank you in advance.
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I'm responding as a recent purchaser of a 3-year old AGT from a non-Lucid dealer.

  1. I've had the car since late January. The only issue I might attribute to software is auto parking does not seem to work. A tech that came out to look at another issue thought it would be due to PPF film covering the rear sensors. I've trimmed the film off but the system still seems to be incapable of finding parking spots. I'll let Coldwater see if they can figure it out. I see a lot of complaints about PAAK. The worst case scenarios I've experienced with PAAK are a) Sometimes when I'm mowing my lawn and walk near the car it wakes up. And goes back to sleep. And wakes up on the next pass...rinse repeat about a dozen times. b) Every now and then I walk up to the car and the handles and mirrors don't present because for whatever reason the car doesn't know my phone is near. In every case, pulling it out of my pocket resolves the issue. Two very opposite issues. One where it's too sensitive, one where it's not sensitive enough.
  2. I've been getting the software updates. As long as Lucid has the car assigned to you you will get the updates. I am on SW version 2.8.30. There is no cost for the updates. I did pay for the CCCv2 upgrade, but that's a choice. My car is getting picked up by the Coldwater Michigan service center tomorrow morning. Frunk latches / motors need to be recalibrated. They're bringing me a loaner and taking my car in.
  3. We have a Model Y Dual Motor with FSD and the LAGT with Dream Drive Pro (DDP). FSD is the better system. It achieves point-to-point navigation and I'd say it has progressed over time to be 95 - 99% effective. Occasionally turns into the wrong driveway or makes moves that ...shall we say "disagree" with posted ordinances. (Left turn where there are signs prohibiting, right on red when there are signs prohibiting). DDP is closer to GM's SuperCruise in that it provides handsfree driving on mapped roads. The single difference is SuperCruise can decide to make lane changes on its own, like FSD does. With DDP you need to signal the lane change. Lucid is on a path to achieve point-to-point navigation through its work with Nvidia. It is unclear whether Air will eventually get that feature, but if so it will likely require CCCv2. Some 2024 and all 2025 and later have CCCv2. Since my car is a 2023 I purchased the upgrade in order to be capable of receiving any upgrades to DDP.
  4. The way I would approach it is if I were getting a new car, I would lease. If I were getting a used car (I did) I would buy. The original buyer / lessee will swallow the depreciation. I paid about 40% sticker for my car and because of all the software updates over the 3 years it has been in service it is arguably a better car than it was when the original owner took possession. As you have already noted, YMMV.
  5. It appears that service experiences vary wildly. Since I have one year left on the warranty, I am engaging service on every little thing that I notice. I want everything addressed and/or documented before the warranty expires. The service team has done very well by me. I'll know better when I get it back from its visit to Coldwater service center. I am VERY discerning when it comes to vehicle service. At some point in my career I was director of powertrain service for GM and I have some predispositions about how things are supposed to be handled.
If you purchase from a non-Lucid dealer you may want to consider some of the following things...
  • Make certain that the previous driver's information, including and especially Owner PIN, get cleared before you take delivery. I lucked out and the dealer was able to contact the original owner and get the PIN.
  • Be diligent in getting the Bill of Sale information. You will need that information to communicate with Lucid Customer Care to get the vehicle attached to you.
 
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r0m8470 said:
I am new to the EV market. The 3x per week long commute (27 miles one way) is a strong incentive, and weekend road trips to BC is another (based out of Seattle).

I've always like Lucid, but entry price has been a blocker. Lately though, I start seeing AWD Pre-owned Air get into price point that are quite attractive. If I may ask questions to all the experienced Lucid owners here:

1. Based on what I read, a lot of SW bugs have been fixed, and having an older MY does not preclude it from getting the updates? Is that true?
2. On pre-owned market, I've been looking mostly at CPO cars, but there are quite a few listing out there that are non-Lucid posted. For those non-Lucid sourced cars, how do they get SW updates, or even HW updates? Does Lucid service centers have options for owners to bring their cars in - and get upgrades done (whether it is HW or SW) at a cost?
3. A good friend of ours have Tesla Model X, and he's one of the original adopter of FSD - and that ADAS seems really nice for long road trips and whatnot. Is Dream Drive Pro an equivalent for it yet - or if not, is there even a plan from Lucid to get it to that level?
4. I am still torn between buy vs lease - curious to hear y'all opinions and considerations? I know that this is a personal decision - but still interested to hear from anybody.
5. When I grew up - reliable cars = Honda or Toyota (or their brethren brands), so the idea of new EV CHR and BZ are appealing (from reliability POV) but pre-owned Pure price is not too far - and yes, they are not apples to apples AT ALL, but with all the latest SW updates and whatnot - has Lucid reached a state that's stable enough where ownership experience is good (as in problem free, in a sense that I need an EV that works taking me from point A to B all the time).

Would appreciate hearing all kinds of opinions from all the experienced owners here.

Thank you in advance.
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Go for a test drive first! Try them all.
Your decision will become much easier to make.

PS: There is more to a car than FSD.
 
Gravitas said:
Go for a test drive first! Try them all.
Your decision will become much easier to make.

PS: There is more to a car than FSD.
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This times 1000!!! I have a vehicle with FSD and I much prefer driving my Lucid. FSD is a great application, but there is so much more to a car than its ability to emulate a robot. My wife loves FSD. I love to drive and our LAGT is a much better driving vehicle than our Model Y. The Model Y is a very nice car. Just that the LAGT is so much better on so many different measures.
 
r0m8470 said:
I am new to the EV market. The 3x per week long commute (27 miles one way) is a strong incentive, and weekend road trips to BC is another (based out of Seattle).

I've always like Lucid, but entry price has been a blocker. Lately though, I start seeing AWD Pre-owned Air get into price point that are quite attractive. If I may ask questions to all the experienced Lucid owners here:

1. Based on what I read, a lot of SW bugs have been fixed, and having an older MY does not preclude it from getting the updates? Is that true?
2. On pre-owned market, I've been looking mostly at CPO cars, but there are quite a few listing out there that are non-Lucid posted. For those non-Lucid sourced cars, how do they get SW updates, or even HW updates? Does Lucid service centers have options for owners to bring their cars in - and get upgrades done (whether it is HW or SW) at a cost?
3. A good friend of ours have Tesla Model X, and he's one of the original adopter of FSD - and that ADAS seems really nice for long road trips and whatnot. Is Dream Drive Pro an equivalent for it yet - or if not, is there even a plan from Lucid to get it to that level?
4. I am still torn between buy vs lease - curious to hear y'all opinions and considerations? I know that this is a personal decision - but still interested to hear from anybody.
5. When I grew up - reliable cars = Honda or Toyota (or their brethren brands), so the idea of new EV CHR and BZ are appealing (from reliability POV) but pre-owned Pure price is not too far - and yes, they are not apples to apples AT ALL, but with all the latest SW updates and whatnot - has Lucid reached a state that's stable enough where ownership experience is good (as in problem free, in a sense that I need an EV that works taking me from point A to B all the time).

Would appreciate hearing all kinds of opinions from all the experienced owners here.

Thank you in advance.
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My Lucid Air Touring 2023 model, has been rock solid regards to software after last update. Don’t listen to those few who complain about it. There will always be a few outliers.

But majority have hardly any issues. And it’s the best car I’ve ever driven!
 
I have only owned my 2026 Air Touring for one month, so not really your ideal sounding board. That said, I haven't had a single issue with the car and think it's an INCREDIBLE vehicle.

I came out of a Porsche Taycan 4S and could not be happier with the decision. The Air blows the Taycan away on so many levels for me......comfort, luxury feel, performance, range, charging time. I didn't buy it for any aspect of autonomous driving as I couldn't care less about that, but it does have DDPro and I actually did enjoy some HFDA driving on the highway this weekend.
 
I was telling my wife today that it had been at least two months since I’ve had to reboot my Air. I did it today just to make sure it still worked, lol

I think I might have turned Bluetooth off and on once a few weeks ago? lol

Yeah, for me at least (‘22 DE with the CCCv2 upgrade), it’s been extremely stable. HFDA works fantastically too. Very useful on long drives when I want to hold @TribbleTrouble ‘s hand (shut up, it’s almost our anniversary, I’m trying to win points)
 
borski said:
I was telling my wife today that it had been at least two months since I’ve had to reboot my Air. I did it today just to make sure it still worked, lol

I think I might have turned Bluetooth off and on once a few weeks ago? lol

Yeah, for me at least (‘22 DE with the CCCv2 upgrade), it’s been extremely stable. HFDA works fantastically too. Very useful on long drives when I want to hold @TribbleTrouble’s hand (shut up, it’s almost our anniversary, I’m trying to win points)
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Besides the door/mobile key issues, destination sharing not working, creep not creeping, I have had no showstopper software problems on my Air either at least not like some Gravities
 
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Our 2022 GT was quite stable and close to trouble-free.

The key fob worked reliably. I changed its battery regularly as cheap insurance.
Phone as a key (PAAK) was more convenient, but once in a while I had to wake up my phone to make it work.
 
L-Dude said:
I don't think this is a Lucid thing. My CarPlay became unreliable after a recent iOS update. I haven't had a Lucid OTA update since last Fall.
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Just as a reference, CarPlay still reliable on our BMW after latest iOS update. Reliable on our son’s Bronco Sport too. 🙂
 
DBV said:
Just as a reference, CarPlay still reliable on our BMW after latest iOS update. Reliable on our son’s Bronco Sport too. 🙂
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My CarPlay is still working on my Gravity. I'm running 26.5 Beta and production version (your version) ran fine as well. :)
 
I am in the same position as you, and had the same doubts. I traded in a newer Tesla at a Lexus dealer because I think the Lucid is a better value, and I had really liked my Model Y.

In my case I had been scanning the web for a Grand Touring Performance but found a low-mileage Dream 88 miles away, and wound up buying it on the spot because the sales manager was obsessed with moving product and had already discounted it $13K. The used market is very soft for Lucids but I think this is temporary and already seeing some prices rising on CarGuru most likely due to the Middle East.

The good people on this forum are often early adopters and have described various glitches in detail, but I have experienced very few. My Dream is so eager to unlock it will snap to attention from 30 feet very excited to go for a drive. If you go down this path, do yourself a favor and just replace all fob batteries from the get-go. Delete previous owner phone info to avoid confusing the car, and generally try to start from a clean slate. And fully update the software.

I think a lot depends upon expectations. I do realize that there are panel alignment issues which would have been annoying if I paid the original price, but now are immaterial. The software is not in the same league as my Model Y, but it does get the job done. DreamDrive is still a mystery to me, and CarPlay sometimes fails to reconnect. But overall the benefits greatly outweigh the inconveniences. The Lucid absolutely rocks!

Another concern you should have is the viability of Lucid as a company. Upon investigation, and after learning the 60% stakeholder is the Saudi Public Investment Fund (PIF), digging a little deeper one finds out the recent influx of cash is actually backhanded support from more petro dollars. The Saudis are into Uber for $2.7B and the partnership is a bit of a shotgun marriage of other PIF interests. Not too many people understand that (to me) the "investment" from PIF is not for cash returns but rather to invest in their country and its future. This is clear if you examine their portfolio. The goal is to acquire Western (specifically Silicon Valley) technology for themselves and partner on local manufacturing. They are deep into Uber (~$2.7B) and Boeing (~$0.9B) among others, and will not let those joint ventures fail because the point of "investment" is to secure the future for themselves.
 
drb3333 said:
"investment" from PIF is not for cash returns but rather to invest in their country and its future
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I don't see this as a concern and I think most understand this - it is basically the definition of a long-term investor. We'll see if their (and my) investment prowess reflects bravery or stupidity - but they have sure enabled a fantastic mechanical device that I enjoy driving every single day! I'm OK with them paying for development - every single car manufacturer has bought one and performed a competitive teardown. The auto industry will improve as a result.

I love capitalism and the American entrepreneurial spirit!
 
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I purchased a used '22 AirGT last year with $20k miles on it.

1. Based on what I read, a lot of SW bugs have been fixed, and having an older MY does not preclude it from getting the updates? Is that true?
When you buy the car you'll have to register it with Lucid which then brands the keyfob to you (bill of sale, title, etc). This connects your car with the Lucid ecosystem and gets you lifetime SW updates. However, the best update coming this summer requires the new infotainment chip upgrade (which I did last year as well).

2. On pre-owned market, I've been looking mostly at CPO cars, but there are quite a few listing out there that are non-Lucid posted. For those non-Lucid sourced cars, how do they get SW updates, or even HW updates? Does Lucid service centers have options for owners to bring their cars in - and get upgrades done (whether it is HW or SW) at a cost?
See above, no costs for SW but HW does cost (about $1000 for the new infotainment chip) unless its a warranty item.

3. A good friend of ours have Tesla Model X, and he's one of the original adopter of FSD - and that ADAS seems really nice for long road trips and whatnot. Is Dream Drive Pro an equivalent for it yet - or if not, is there even a plan from Lucid to get it to that level?
Yes, DDPro is almost like Tesla's but only on mapped highways (not point-to-point on city streets). I suspect the latter will come especially with their plans for their Gravity-based taxi coming soon. May again need that upgraded infotainment chip?

4. I am still torn between buy vs lease - curious to hear y'all opinions and considerations? I know that this is a personal decision - but still interested to hear from anybody.
Lease I think is best when buying new (saves on cost), but not sure it makes sense used?? I've heard stories about lease return issues with Lucid. I've only leased one car in my life (BMW 3-series coupe) and had issues returning it (changed windshield for a chip and they wanted it done by dealer but dealer sent me to third party...?).

5. When I grew up - reliable cars = Honda or Toyota (or their brethren brands), so the idea of new EV CHR and BZ are appealing (from reliability POV) but pre-owned Pure price is not too far - and yes, they are not apples to apples AT ALL, but with all the latest SW updates and whatnot - has Lucid reached a state that's stable enough where ownership experience is good (as in problem free, in a sense that I need an EV that works taking me from point A to B all the time).
I traded my Tundra for the Lucid (had to replace the Tundra engine and have had some other issues with it). I do believe the build quality on the Lucid is much better now. Gravity undergoing the same growing pains...but the latest Gravity SW update turned it into a new vehicle if you watch the owners' reviews (what it should have been out the door). The upcoming summer '26 Lucid SW updates are boasting the same. My issues included large screen freezing (unresponsive) requiring me to turn off / on car after parking, front motor replaced after driving first 400 miles (warranty), door handles not responding (fixed 3/4), and heat pump replaced. All were under warranty. I love the car, best I've ever driven. Love it even more that I can drive by all the gas stations (charge at home). Great range, great road-trip vehicle with new 400kw chargers popping everywhere (watch Ionna).
 
socktucker said:
Besides the door/mobile key issues, destination sharing not working, creep not creeping, I have had no showstopper software problems on my Air either at least not like some Gravities
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The key works well. If you need a mobile key you are going to be frustrated as the Air doesn’t have a real phone-as-key solution because of a hardware limitation. But if you keep a fob in your pocket like I do it’s a nonissue. I even got a fancy leather case for the lucid from Leather Brut and it looks nice.

Destination not sharing is a bit annoying. But it’s a pretty niche issue. It’s not like something is broken, they just haven’t built that out.

When I’ve wanted to use creep it works.

I drive my car every day. I take road trips and I commute and I drive all over town. It’s an awesome car to drive. It’s fast and fun and look good. Super comfy too. The software is pretty darn reliable at this point too.
 
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