New Midsize Pic and Update

Oh yeah I would buy that I think a lot of people would. I also think a lot of us just wanted a “better” Tesla. Real leather, thick glass, quiet and smooth. If they can make that in a Model Y sized package I think they’ll make a killing.
“A better Tesla” is exactly what drew me to Lucid in the first place. I was sold on EVs by then. I just wanted better execution.
 
Could not agree more. “The Y, but upscale,” is a great mission statement for this model. Better looking. More fun to drive. More luxurious. Even if a bit more expensive. Great formula.

They’ll do the Rivian R2 competitor version, too. But the straight-up crossover will be the real moneymaker.
I'm begging on my knees for a Sapphire / Tri-motor midsize. I'm not even asking for carbon-ceramic brakes or wheels the size of dinner plates. Steel brakes, more tire wall (or just compatibility with the smallest wheel size and a winter tire setup), real torque vectoring, and less body roll are all I'm asking. It'll be my do-everything car that I will run until it falls apart.
 
I'm begging on my knees for a Sapphire / Tri-motor midsize. I'm not even asking for carbon-ceramic brakes or wheels the size of dinner plates. Steel brakes, more tire wall (or just compatibility with the smallest wheel size and a winter tire setup), real torque vectoring, and less body roll are all I'm asking. It'll be my do-everything car that I will run until it falls apart.
Sign me up as well.
 
Imagine they could do it for under $100k 🤤🤤🤤
Yeah that’s the problem when you start loading up the options you still have midsize but nowhere near price parity for that same size vehicle. Eg if all lucids are above 50-60k then you don’t gain market
And unless you aren’t paying attention the newest Chinese evs are really inexpensive and they are grabbing both market share and rapidly gaining technology parity.
 
Yeah that’s the problem when you start loading up the options you still have midsize but nowhere near price parity for that same size vehicle. Eg if all lucids are above 50-60k then you don’t gain market
And unless you aren’t paying attention the newest Chinese evs are really inexpensive and they are grabbing both market share and rapidly gaining technology parity.
I keep hearing about these Chinese EVs, but I have yet to see one that doesn’t look as cheap and cheesy as their low price warrants.

I think Lucid is better off staying at the $50k+ price range market. It’s the cheaper Chevy Bolts, Model 3, Hyundai Ionic models that are going to suffer when the Chinese EVs spread even further around the globe.

Luxury is going to be a much tougher nut for the Chinese to crack.
 
I keep hearing about these Chinese EVs, but I have yet to see one that doesn’t look as cheap and cheesy as their low price warrants.

I think Lucid is better off staying at the $50k+ price range market. It’s the cheaper Chevy Bolts, Model 3, Hyundai Ionic models that are going to suffer when the Chinese EVs spread even further around the globe.

Luxury is going to be a much tougher nut for the Chinese to crack.
A good friend of mine spends a fair amount of time in China involved in various manufacturing enterprises. He’s a real car guy that I trust his opinion. He feels that the Chinese are going to be the dominate force in all things EV. He sights massive government support, ability to improve & innovate at a speed that makes everyone else look like they’re standing still. Combine this with the idiotic position and policy changes of our current administration and it’s effectively over for us. This looks sufficiently luxurious…
 
A good friend of mine spends a fair amount of time in China involved in various manufacturing enterprises. He’s a real car guy that I trust his opinion. He feels that the Chinese are going to be the dominate force in all things EV. He sights massive government support, ability to improve & innovate at a speed that makes everyone else look like they’re standing still. Combine this with the idiotic position and policy changes of our current administration and it’s effectively over for us. This looks sufficiently luxurious…
Sadly, I agree. We have given up the lead in EVs that Tesla had gained, and while Lucid/Rivian/others are trying to get ahead, the fact is that China is investing in its EV manufacturing and we are simply not. That Lucid got funding from KSA and Rivian from VW is a solid indicator, but one just has to look at the current trajectory of energy funding and EV funding.
 
A good friend of mine spends a fair amount of time in China involved in various manufacturing enterprises. He’s a real car guy that I trust his opinion. He feels that the Chinese are going to be the dominate force in all things EV. He sights massive government support, ability to improve & innovate at a speed that makes everyone else look like they’re standing still. Combine this with the idiotic position and policy changes of our current administration and it’s effectively over for us. This looks sufficiently luxurious…
I agree with the general sentiment. But I don’t get any vibes from this car that say “luxury segment.” Like most Chinese EVs, it looks like a Model Y mated with an Audi or something.

Eye of the beholder, and all that, but the design is just poorly copied ideas from various manufacturers. No originality. No cohesion.
 
Always topped off with gimmicky features that scream more tech demo than refined luxury. Just my take, anyway.

Like I said, Tesla should be pissing in its pants. Lucid is not going to play in this market.
 
I agree with the general sentiment. But I don’t get any vibes from this car that say “luxury segment.” Like most Chinese EVs, it looks like a Model Y mated with an Audi or something.

Eye of the beholder, and all that, but the design is just poorly copied ideas from various manufacturers. No originality. No cohesion.
It's not so much about being super technologically advanced, it's more their ability to mass produce them at affordable prices. That's why they flood the market in the countries where they sell them (LATAM, some countries in EU, and China of course).
 
I rode in a BYD a few months ago in Beijing.
Don't know which model, but it was about the Camry size on the inside.
I was fairly impressed.
The ride was good and planted. No extraneous sounds.
The acceleration was more than sufficient for freeway merging.
While not luxurious, it was clearly a cut above Tesla 3.
In fact, after the experience, I was telling myself Tesla is in trouble for this car segment.
 
I agree with the general sentiment. But I don’t get any vibes from this car that say “luxury segment.” Like most Chinese EVs, it looks like a Model Y mated with an Audi or something.

Eye of the beholder, and all that, but the design is just poorly copied ideas from various manufacturers. No originality. No cohesion.
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Personally I would like my auto company to sustain volumes such that the capabilities move forward
 
Is this one of the midsize variants? Was shown at the Nvidia presentation at CES two days ago...

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Inside EV's article so take it with a grain of salt

https://insideevs.com/news/783707/lucid-midsize-sedan-platform-winterhoff/

I'll let my personal bias come in and say this: the way I see it, sounds like an RS6-like performance wagon is still a possibility. I'm on my knees begging for a tri-motor Sapphire midsize stationn wagon with steel brakes and winter tyres. If there's an option to go with a regular interior, even better.

But in all seriousness, if this is true, I hope that means a wagon is more likely to be one of the midsize models. I'm getting tired of crossovers.
 
The Air is a great car. When he says he wants to be out of the sedan business, do you think he means aside from the Air?
 
The Air is a great car. When he says he wants to be out of the sedan business, do you think he means aside from the Air?
Probably for the mid-size segment on the new platform. I love sedans but the problem is everyone at lower prices wants practicality and one-car solution which works out to Crossover/SUV form factor.
 
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