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ilyabu said:
FYI, my Lucid service center said I can order the 20/21" Voyager wheels with TPMS sensors for $4374. Tire Rack has Vredestein Wintrac Pro+ tires for those wheels for $1355.42. So that's what I'm proceeding with.
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Wheel without tire for 4k? I think that’s grossly overpriced.
 
It really isn't given how incredible heavy the car is, how much power it has, and how few / no aftermarket options there are. So kind of supply and demand situation; I got quotes to get custom aftermarket wheels made and it was $10k (plus tax) for forged with the same winter tires or $6k plus tax for flow / spun with those tires. So basically same as Lucid but more hassle as I still would have to get TPMS sensors from Lucid and have to leave the car for fittings to get the custom wheels made. With the Lucid wheels as least I know it will fit and work.

If you find a cheaper option somewhere please do post links.
 
ilyabu said:
It really isn't given how incredible heavy the car is, how much power it has, and how few / no aftermarket options there are. So kind of supply and demand situation; I got quotes to get custom aftermarket wheels made and it was $10k (plus tax) for forged with the same winter tires or $6k plus tax for flow / spun with those tires. So basically same as Lucid but more hassle as I still would have to get TPMS sensors from Lucid and have to leave the car for fittings to get the custom wheels made. With the Lucid wheels as least I know it will fit and work.

If you find a cheaper option somewhere please do post links.
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I can’t give you a guaranteed option until I test fit on my car but I can certainly give you my current research.

I have settled on the 22” wheel size due to availability of tires.

Option 1: Tesla Model X plain turbine wheels ($5500 option at sale time but much cheaper on eBay) - 22x9 front and 22x10 rear. Same exact wheel hub bore and bolt pattern, a direct fit. 36lb front and 42lb rear. Weight capacity unknown.

Option 2: Range Rover SVR forged wheels: 950kg capacity, 22x10 square setup. Wheel weight unknown, offset 42.5 which may require a 5mm spacer up front. Bolt pattern is the same, center ring will be required for proper fitment.

I am investing in option 1, with option 2 as a backup.

I am in New York if you wanted to stop by and test fit a wheel.

Good chance I will have a Gravity of my own within the month if not 2 weeks.
 

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Aside from my view on the looks of those wheels, I worry about not having a staggered setup, like all of the Gravity wheels, and using wheels that are not "officially supported". I have previous experience using spacers and really don't want to do that esp. since my gravity is leased. I'm in WA so a bit far away to stop by ;-) SInce I can't wait and need a winter setup this month I don't think I have a cheaper option than the Lucid wheels.
 
ilyabu said:
Aside from my view on the looks of those wheels, I worry about not having a staggered setup, like all of the Gravity wheels, and using wheels that are not "officially supported". I have previous experience using spacers and really don't want to do that esp. since my gravity is leased. I'm in WA so a bit far away to stop by ;-) SInce I can't wait and need a winter setup this month I don't think I have a cheaper option than the Lucid wheels.
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No spacers are needed for the Tesla wheels, they will actually poke out a little more than stock which I am pretty sure will make the look more aggressive and probably somewhat less efficient.

Anyway…going first should be fun, as usual, and I will probably not feel bad about it, ever.

My current vehicle went through 4 sets of tires on 3 different wheels, no regrets.

It is a huge pain in the @$$ though…city apartment life.
 
ilyabu said:
Aside from my view on the looks of those wheels, I worry about not having a staggered setup, like all of the Gravity wheels, and using wheels that are not "officially supported". I have previous experience using spacers and really don't want to do that esp. since my gravity is leased. I'm in WA so a bit far away to stop by ;-) SInce I can't wait and need a winter setup this month I don't think I have a cheaper option than the Lucid wheels.
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I think you made a safer choice than experimenting with after market wheels that may not properly fit over the brake caliper housings and/or putting a square set up with the same wheel sizes all around; why undo all the excellent engineering that went into the OEM wheel/tire selections for Gravity knowing it will compromise the way it handles?
I feel you'll be safe and happy with the 20/21's and winter tires.
I also feel, having spoken with a bunch of new owners at the San Jose SC Grand Opening last weekend that a LOT of people that ordered the 22/23's (because they looked nice) are in for a rude awakening on cold wet or snowy roads this winter!
 
hwy17er said:
I think you made a safer choice than experimenting with after market wheels that may not properly fit over the brake caliper housings and/or putting a square set up with the same wheel sizes all around; why undo all the excellent engineering that went into the OEM wheel/tire selections for Gravity knowing it will compromise the way it handles?
I feel you'll be safe and happy with the 20/21's and winter tires.
I also feel, having spoken with a bunch of new owners at the San Jose SC Grand Opening last weekend that a LOT of people that ordered the 22/23's (because they looked nice) are in for a rude awakening on cold wet or snowy roads this winter!
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If people don’t understand what a summer tire is, they certainly will find out in the cold.

As far as wheels and tires, it’s not rocket science most of the time.

I have a good example going from stock wheel and tire to stock wheel and winter tire in the same size. The winter tire was 1” wider and created problems due to all season rounded edges and winter rectangle sides.

If it’s not OEM it’s not guaranteed to fit until someone tests it and confirms.
 
Ok, here is a recent example, I was shopping for new tires and was stuck between Continental DWS 06+ and Michelin All Season 4. Both 285/40/22 which would be rear fitment. Also, 265/40/22 front fitment. Side by side, look at the tire touching the road patch difference (tread width). 1 full inch for the rear tire and over half inch front. In same size, both all season!
 

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hwy17er said:
I think you made a safer choice than experimenting with after market wheels that may not properly fit over the brake caliper housings and/or putting a square set up with the same wheel sizes all around; why undo all the excellent engineering that went into the OEM wheel/tire selections for Gravity knowing it will compromise the way it handles?
I feel you'll be safe and happy with the 20/21's and winter tires.
I also feel, having spoken with a bunch of new owners at the San Jose SC Grand Opening last weekend that a LOT of people that ordered the 22/23's (because they looked nice) are in for a rude awakening on cold wet or snowy roads this winter!
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I for sure went with the 22/23s for the looks ;-) But I was counting on Lucid having an official winter tire / wheel set available by now instead of having to scramble and put one together myself. Oh well.
 
hwy17er said:
EXACTLY!!..and @ilyabu: $6K for OEM 20/21's and winter meats are WAY cheaper than a GDE in a ditch!!!
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yeah I have 0 intention of driving the DE with 22/23 summers through the WA mountain passes in the winter... not to mention it would be illegal...
 
I'm currently toying between (have 20/21 on order):
option 1: Replace tires with CC3 sport, or nokian WRG or similar... keep the old tires and put them back on after 2.5 years to see out the lease with tires in decent condition to hand back. This keeps costs minimal buying a total of 1 set of tires for a 3 year lease.
option 2: Buy winter tire/wheel... probably Nokian for the tires, although recent reviews of Nokian is putting them behind competition (particularly for all weather). The cost is much more, but hopefully the OEM all seasons will still be fine after 3 summers.
 
TahoeMichael said:
I'm not committed enough to car tuning to juggle two sets of tires. And I often haven't really had the storage space for them either. Back when I lived close to sea level, I never would have worried about 3PMSF. But now living at 6400' elevation I get real winter, and safety concerns motivate me to optimize for grip on ice and snow, even if it degrades performance on dry/wet.
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I would think if you are at 6400 ft and get snow, you notionally will need to do two sets of wheels/tires. Ultimately, this is what I am going to do. However, I am going to run a little cheap this year and try just running the mid size stock tires (Michelin's) to see how they do. If you see me in a ditch on the side of the road near Park City or Deer Valley, point and say, 'dumb ass!'
 
boydracing said:
I would think if you are at 6400 ft and get snow, you notionally will need to do two sets of wheels/tires. Ultimately, this is what I am going to do. However, I am going to run a little cheap this year and try just running the mid size stock tires (Michelin's) to see how they do. If you see me in a ditch on the side of the road near Park City or Deer Valley, point and say, 'dumb ass!'
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The problem is that I frequently drive out of the mountains, and California at lower elevations is a heck of a lot warmer, even in January. I also do a lot of road trips. My impression is that you really don't want to be driving in warm weather with winter tires, so 3PMSF "all weather" tires seem like the sweet spot that accommodates the varying conditions I hit in a single trip, which can go from a few inches of fresh snow on the highway and 25° F to 65° F across two hours of driving.

My current vehicle is fitted with Michelin CrossClimate 2s, and they've performed well for me.
 
TahoeMichael said:
The problem is that I frequently drive out of the mountains, and California at lower elevations is a heck of a lot warmer, even in January. I also do a lot of road trips. My impression is that you really don't want to be driving in warm weather with winter tires, so 3PMSF "all weather" tires seem like the sweet spot that accommodates the varying conditions I hit in a single trip, which can go from a few inches of fresh snow on the highway and 25° F to 65° F across two hours of driving.

My current vehicle is fitted with Michelin CrossClimate 2s, and they've performed well for me.
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Seems like the better solution is to just get two Gravities; one with summer tires garaged in say Alta, and one with winter tires in Tahoe.
 
hank-iv said:
Seems like the better solution is to just get two Gravities; one with summer tires garaged in say Alta, and one with winter tires in Tahoe.
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Genius! Don't know why I didn't think of that. Of course, first I have to convince them to give me even one Gravity. 🤣
 
TahoeMichael said:
The problem is that I frequently drive out of the mountains, and California at lower elevations is a heck of a lot warmer, even in January. I also do a lot of road trips. My impression is that you really don't want to be driving in warm weather with winter tires, so 3PMSF "all weather" tires seem like the sweet spot that accommodates the varying conditions I hit in a single trip, which can go from a few inches of fresh snow on the highway and 25° F to 65° F across two hours of driving.

My current vehicle is fitted with Michelin CrossClimate 2s, and they've performed well for me.
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Some driving at 65F won't melt a set of winter tires. Boulder Colorado does get 70F days in November and March while most skiers already have their winter tires on (if they use winter tires).

Having said that I'm also a fan of the all weather 3mpsf tires such as the cross climates.
 
FYI, I received my Lucid Gravity X imitation wheels from Forza Performance in the 20/21 sizes, they have a 1000kg weight rating and everything went smoothly, and the wheels look great. I will share photos once I have tires mounted on them and get them installed in the next couple weeks. They are forged and were $3142 including shipping. The set of Michelin Cross Climate tires installed will be another $2k.

Here's a photo of the rim.
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Hey guys I went digging. They aren't showing up when you select Gravity on tire rack. But these are 2 good options for the small wheels.

The Nokian are for crazy Colorado/Canadian winters but kick ass. I have a set on my father's Rivian. This is what I'll be buying for the my gravity.





The Hankooks IMO are the cheaper alternatives for city driving in the snow


 
400kwOrBust said:
Hey guys I went digging. They aren't showing up when you select Gravity on tire rack. But these are 2 good options for the small wheels.

The Nokian are for crazy Colorado/Canadian winters but kick ass. I have a set on my father's Rivian. This is what I'll be buying for the my gravity.





The Hankooks IMO are the cheaper alternatives for city driving in the snow


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Those Nokians are a great serious winter option and even have the ice grip rating; just be careful to note the 20" size are only speed rated R (106mph) and the 21" are rated T (118mph) whereas other brands like Vredestein Wintrac Pro+ are rated Y (186mph) like the OEM Hankook A/S (which are not even 3PMSF snow rated tires! :()
 
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