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[Andretex]

The middle class and poor benefited more under the Trump administration than they did under many previous administrations. That, in part, was responsible for his win this time around. Of course Biden’s mishandling (and again, whoever was President…and if you believe it was Biden, I’ve got a bridge I can sell you) of so many things was certainly a factor.

That’s the last comment I’ll make here in the interest of diplomacy.

Fair enough. But let’s make sure the facts are correct. I am no Biden fan. But, the middle class and poor did not do better under trump. I can find the data to back that up.

Here is a good article in the impact of tariffs.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20myx1erl6o

 

[xponents]

I'm generally not a fan of either Biden or Trump. One didn't do anything, the other is doing too much (and hopefully, my education doesn't get harmed because of it). Why can't we just get a great president like Obama again? I doubt I'd find a single person disliking him...

 

[xponents]

\In fact, one of my good friends there (who became the Chief Investment Officer and is now a billionaire) used to talk to me about how to raise his kids without giving them an overweening sense of wealth or privilege. He and his wife didn't employ a full-time maid or any other private staff. He didn't have a plane or even a NetJet card, and he and his family flew commercial on all personal travel. His kids went to public school. When I retired he was driving a five-year old BMW M5. We talked a lot about cars. He loved them but didn't want his two boys to see him driving anything exotic. Shortly after I left, he emailed me to say he wanted a new car and asked if I had any ideas. I suggested a Panamera Turbo S, but he felt that was more than he wanted his boys to see him in.

I also just want to remark on what a fantastic parent the person you are referring to seemingly is. People like this are who I aspire to be, in terms of how they treat their kids.

 

[hmp10]

This is assuming the public outroar wasn’t the goal.

There’s a lot to be said about how certain historical figures went about triggering events in society.

It’s a debate on how advanced the mindset is behind these childish fronts.

Thankfully I’m pretty confident it’s not advanced and these people are — well — just on ego trips. As to why we enable that is a much bigger question, let alone suffer this game.

In one of his recent messages on tariffs, Trump specifically called out British Columbia as a particular source of significant fentanyl supply to the U.S. market. In fact, a recent Congressional investigation had concluded British Columbia was an insignificant source. In 2024 border agents seized 19.5 kg of fentanyl coming in from British Columbia as compared to 9,600 kg coming in from Mexico.

British Columbia has now retaliated to being called out specifically -- and untruthfully -- as a significant fentanyl source by pulling all liquor produced in U.S. red states from the shelves in British Columbia. Two other Canadian provinces have followed suit in removing red-state liquor from the shelves of the government-run stores. (These are also the provinces in which Lucid has its three showrooms.)

If we're going to use tariffs as political weapons, it would be much better to do so based on real facts. But, of course, that's not really the point of what's unfolding here, and facts won't play much of a role.

 

[Lucken]

Fair enough. But let’s make sure the facts are correct. I am no Biden fan. But, the middle class and poor did not do better under trump. I can find the data to back that up.

Here is a good article in the impact of tariffs.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20myx1erl6o

Actually I’ve seen multiple sources that say the lower & middle classes did benefit. It’s one big the reasons why his support increased among those groups. I only read your link quickly, but it seemed to address how tariffs might impact different groups, not what happened overall to the lower & middle income groups.

I already violated my pledge for this thread, so I’m out. I know most posts here will be of a monolithic mindset, so I fully expected that.

 

[tonybot]

Canada was in lockstep with us in imposing high tariffs on Chinese EVs. I wonder if they will remove them. If they do, we know how that story is going to play out.

 

[Andretex]

Actually I’ve seen multiple sources that say the lower & middle classes did benefit. It’s one big the reasons why his support increased among those groups. I only read your link quickly, but it seemed to address how tariffs might impact different groups, not what happened overall to the lower & middle income groups.

I already violated my pledge for this thread, so I’m out. I know most posts here will be of a monolithic mindset, so I fully expected that.

Agreed. Lets stop.

My link shows how tariffs impacted the middle class about 4% of income for most people but only 2% for the wealthy. It was not an article about the impact of different administrations on the middle class and the poor.

Well, due to Covid, obviously the trump era ended poorly for income and the economy. Funny how people ignore the covid impact when discussing trumps performance, but include the covid rebound inflation on Biden. Not fair.

The income levels and unemployment were continuing to improve with Biden. But inflation made things tougher. Is that Bidens fault? I dont think so. The Fed had to increase rates to reduce inflation resulting from the rebound of demand from the Covid shutdown while trying to avoid a recession.

Anyway, they both suck.

 

[Adnillien]

Since this thread has turned way too political, it is locked.

 

[Joe]

I think these are good discussions to have, but I have moved it to the Off Topic Lounge.

Please note not all rules are off the table here, so let’s keep the discussions respectful.

 

[Tâm]

It's hard not to talk about politics when it comes to tariff war.

With all the chaos, blames, excuses, fentanyl, immigration... Those are just distractions: Fixing those issues won't ever satisfy the US. The US only accepts the annexation of Canada as the answer:

Trump imposes tariffs and renews call for Canada to be 51st state

“We pay hundreds of Billions of Dollars to SUBSIDIZE Canada. Why? There is no reason. We don’t need anything they have,” Trump said on Truth Social.

“Without this massive subsidy, Canada ceases to exist as a viable Country. Harsh but true! Therefore, Canada should become our Cherished 51st State. Much lower taxes, and far better military protection for the people of Canada — AND NO TARIFFS!”

 

[Andretex]

That is insane. Canada and Mexico are our best trading partners because of the proximity. It is also to our national interest to have our neighbors as close allies.

If I were Canadian or Mexican or Panamanian, I would be making some calls to China right now for help with national defense. See how that would impact our national security with Chinese military on our borders.

 

[hmp10]

“We pay hundreds of Billions of Dollars to SUBSIDIZE Canada. Why? There is no reason. We don’t need anything they have,” Trump said on Truth Social.

“Without this massive subsidy, Canada ceases to exist as a viable Country. Harsh but true! Therefore, Canada should become our Cherished 51st State. Much lower taxes, and far better military protection for the people of Canada — AND NO TARIFFS!”

So the plan is to insult Canada into wanting to become our 51st state?

The sheer arrogant ugliness of the tone this country is now taking with other countries is mind-boggling.

 

[xponents]

So the plan is to insult Canada into wanting to become our 51st state?

No, it is not. It seems you forgot about Greenland which we will definitely get... Canada will actually be our 52nd state!

 

[thecodingart]

I think most of us can agree that what’s happening with tariffs is not agreeable, smart, and will have long term negative repercussions.

It’s sad how near impossible it is to talk about world impact events without mentioning Trump - which is likely intentional.

Everything government tied today is a stage for overdramatized ego stroking, news inducing overloads of panic and pure annoyance.

I truly wish we weren’t in the situation we’re in but we are, and to summarize - all OEMs are feeling this weight with non of it being helpful to any American business.

It’s sad, I “hope” there’s a drive for Impeachment in some sane time, I fear the corruption in the Supreme Court has ended any hope for balance, and we’re either going down the path of compliance or riots.

We will feel this, it will not be pretty, let’s hope these are just tantrum mistakes that are rolled back - because this could either be inspired work by Curtis Yarvin, or the work of a child who has a bloated ego. Let’s hope it’s the ego. The other would be much much worse.

 

[Lucken]

It’s sad, I “hope” there’s a drive for Impeachment in some sane time, I fear the corruption in the Supreme Court has ended any hope for balance, and we’re either going down the path of compliance or riots.

We will feel this, it will not be pretty, let’s hope these are just tantrum mistakes that are rolled back - because this could either be inspired work by Curtis Yarvin, or the work of a child who has a bloated ego. Let’s hope it’s the ego. The other would be much much worse.

If he farts they’ll try to impeach him, so of course they’ll try again, they can’t help themselves. As has been demonstrated in the past, that certainly helps solve our problems. It never ends.

And when someone says, “With all the chaos, blames, excuses, fentanyl, immigration...Those are just distractions”, I shake my head in total disbelief. One of my close friends lost his son due to one of those ‘fentanyl distractions’. God forbid anyone here lost their child to fentanyl, I don’t believe they’d call that a distraction. It’s also hard to imagine that some didn’t mind an entire administration lying on a daily basis that the border was closed when daily drone flyovers showed thousands pouring in every day. Stunning. But that’s just another ‘distraction’.

This has become a depressing thread, time to look for update 2.7.0.

 

[Neurio]

Threads like this are why politics should stay off this forum, or any car forum. Let's all appreciate our common interests in Lucid without getting into the red vs blue debates. It'll only lead to divisions where solidarity had been present previously.

 

[Tâm]

@Luken:

My condolences to families of those who are killed by immigrants and fentanyl but again, even when Canada can eliminate all US deaths from fentanyl and immigrants, the tariffs won't stop until "Canada should become our Cherished 51st State. Much lower taxes, and far better military protection for the people of Canada — AND NO TARIFFS!”

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Tariffs are depressing unless:

GOP applauds Trump tariffs as trade war looms

as some rationalized that "the wall" would be paid by Mexico and thus, the tariffs would be paid by other countries, not consumers. This kind of rationalization is a distraction as well.

Many economists don't celebrate when hearing the false promise that Mexico would pay for the wall and other countries would pay the tariffs, not consumers.

 

[thecodingart]

Threads like this are why politics should stay off this forum, or any car forum. Let's all appreciate our common interests in Lucid without getting into the red vs blue debates. It'll only lead to divisions where solidarity had been present previously.

Unfortunately EVs have been “politicized” - so what you’re saying is very much an unrealistic expectation on modern day drivers for cars.

Every OEM has this crap at the top of their mind and enthusiasts as well.

As a note, I have 0 empathy for anyone who comes out and supports this stuff at this point in time. That stream dried years ago.

 

[hmp10]

This is a forum for people who own or are interested in owning Lucid cars. Lucid is a car company with an openly-stated purpose of making electric propulsion more efficient and ultimately more affordable in order to reduce climate impact. Its biggest investor is pursuing diversification beyond an oil-based economy. Most of its products are bought by people with an interest in moving beyond fossil-fueled transportation.

Yet it finds itself caught in a political movement that denies climate change, that propagates lies about EV benefits, that aggressively fosters oil and coal interests at the expense of environmental interests -- in other words, seeks to put the weight of government behind disincentives or outright roadblocks to EV adoption.

So, yes. Anything touching on Lucid's success in the marketplace is inextricably tied to politics these days.

I understand the reason for moving this discussion off the General Discussion board, but it has a place where it is now sited in a sidebar lounge on a Lucid forum.

 

[RM-S8]

Politics are okay now, even in Off-Topics?
Do mods have double standards, or what!
It will a miracle if my post goes through.