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If not an Air, which EV would you buy?

Mr.Quindazzi said:
The next big innovation I am looking forward to is battery tech that would allow high HP with smaller batteries. A 800HP Air with a ~85KwH be a more desirable product for me.
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Fortunately HP and battery size aren't correlated. I'm assuming you just want something lightweight. Unfortunately seems Lucid isn't going to make a smaller sedan, but BMWs upcoming i3M looks promising.
 
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The_Don said:
Fortunately HP and battery size aren't correlated. I'm assuming you just want something lightweight. Unfortunately seems Lucid isn't going to make a smaller sedan, but BMWs upcoming i3M looks promising.
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Oh, they are absolutely correlated, at least in production cars. The C rate is the limiting factor Peter Rawlinson talked about this quite a bit.
 
borski said:
They made a limited amount. For example, there were 520 Air Dream Editions made, total (plus 520 in KSA).
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Is the dream edition so much better than!? And not possible to configure the car with same specs?
 
The_Don said:
Fortunately HP and battery size aren't correlated. I'm assuming you just want something lightweight. Unfortunately seems Lucid isn't going to make a smaller sedan, but BMWs upcoming i3M looks promising.
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This is only somewhat true. You can get more current into and out of a larger pack which can be a limitation to HP. As pack voltage decreases with lower SOC, the current draw will increase for the same HP. Hence, a larger pack can be helpful.
 
I'm curious why no one has mentioned the ioniq 6. I was just charging next to one the other day. Looked nice and was charging significantly faster than my car was (similar SOC etc...). So I looked it up online. Decent range, better warranty. Not a luxury car but I don't need luxury for my DD. I'd definitely be interested in the N model and would test drive one given the opportunity. Am I missing something about it that has made everyone else disregard it? Or is it just the lack of luxury?
 
Halodde said:
I'm curious why no one has mentioned the ioniq 6. I was just charging next to one the other day. Looked nice and was charging significantly faster than my car was (similar SOC etc...). So I looked it up online. Decent range, better warranty. Not a luxury car but I don't need luxury for my DD. I'd definitely be interested in the N model and would test drive one given the opportunity. Am I missing something about it that has made everyone else disregard it? Or is it just the lack of luxury?
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My neighbor has one. It's a perfectly fine car, slotted a class or two below an Air. Note that the non-N version has been discontinued due to slow sales.
 
When my lease comes to an end, I am going to look seriously at:
1. Volvo EX60
2. BMW Neue Klasse i3
3. Tesla Model 3 (depending on, well, "factors" related to Tesla's management and tech)

Basically, it needs to have similar range to the Air, and similar power - which shouldn't be too hard, I have a Pure. The packaging better be great as well. The main take-away for me is that with the possible exception of the EX60, I'm going to give up space if I get something other than another Air (or don't buy out the lease). I really like the room. Things that would make me try something else is confidence that the software will be a step up (not sure that will hold with the Volvo), or if Lucid just can't stay viable. But it doesn't seem like there is a good analogue to the Air in the large powerful sedan space right now.
 
DeaneG said:
My neighbor has one. It's a perfectly fine car, slotted a class or two below an Air. Note that the non-N version has been discontinued due to slow sales.
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I'll have to do more research obviously. But by chance do you know why sales were low? Did they say? The N is not cheap. That much I know. But maybe the standard model was just priced above Hyundai's target demographic?
 
Halodde said:
I'll have to do more research obviously. But by chance do you know why sales were low? Did they say? The N is not cheap. That much I know. But maybe the standard model was just priced above Hyundai's target demographic?
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25% tariff on Korean cars, plus the elimination of the federal tax credits, and slow sales for the Ioniq 6's form factor compared to the Ioniq 5.
 
petergottlieb said:
When my lease comes to an end, I am going to look seriously at:
1. Volvo EX60
2. BMW Neue Klasse i3
3. Tesla Model 3 (depending on, well, "factors" related to Tesla's management and tech)

Basically, it needs to have similar range to the Air, and similar power - which shouldn't be too hard, I have a Pure. The packaging better be great as well. The main take-away for me is that with the possible exception of the EX60, I'm going to give up space if I get something other than another Air (or don't buy out the lease). I really like the room. Things that would make me try something else is confidence that the software will be a step up (not sure that will hold with the Volvo), or if Lucid just can't stay viable. But it doesn't seem like there is a good analogue to the Air in the large powerful sedan space right now.
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The EX60 is looking pretty attractive to me. It's not as overtly luxurious as a Lucid, but appears thoughtfully designed, pleasant, and very competent.
Volvo tends to be conservative in software features, so don't expect to see turn-signal camera pop-ups or a "transparent car" 360 view. In a way, again, not as luxurious.
 
Lycra said:
Is the dream edition so much better than!? And not possible to configure the car with same specs?
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For the Air, the DE had two models: Performance, which came with 1111HP, and Range, which came with an EPA rating of 520mi. It used a different rear motor than the other Air models.

It is not possible to configure the car with the same specs, although the GT-Performance came close (and is no longer on sale), and the Sapphire now beats it.
 
Halodde said:
I'll have to do more research obviously. But by chance do you know why sales were low? Did they say? The N is not cheap. That much I know. But maybe the standard model was just priced above Hyundai's target demographic?
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Americans don't like sedans. The Ioniq 5 sells well and is basically the same platform
 
Mr.Quindazzi said:
Americans don't like sedans. The Ioniq 5 sells well and is basically the same platform
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Yes, but most people like the look of the I5 and most people dislike the look of the I6. Believe it or not 90% of the populace buys based on looks, status or something they think is reliable. I don't know anyone that remotely cares about steering precision, balanced handling at the limit of adhesion, tossability..... Then there are the enthusiasts/forum knerds like us.
 
Gravity, or used Sapphire? Maybe the I3 Sedan or EX60 or Cosmos. Otherwise back to manual ICE sports cars since we (its technically the wife's, I am the caretaker:P) have the One Car solution (Gravity) for all other scenarios.
 
babylou66 said:
Yes, but most people like the look of the I5 and most people dislike the look of the I6. Believe it or not 90% of the populace buys based on looks, status or something they think is reliable. I don't know anyone that remotely cares about steering precision, balanced handling at the limit of adhesion, tossability..... Then there are the enthusiasts/forum knerds like us.
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The pre refresh Ioniq 6 gives me Infiniti J30 vibes. I like the look of the refreshed Ioniq 6 but not sure if the non N version will make it back to these shores. Besides Hyundai/Kia/Genesis would need to figure out their ICCU issues before I'd seriously consider them.
 
The Mercedes CLA 250+ and 350+ EVs currently are available on the U.S. West Coast and soon appearing throughout the country. I seriously suggest that if you want something as luxurious as the Lucid Air Pure, but smaller, check out the the Mercedes. Fully-loaded (but not AMG) the 250 lists for about $20K less than the Pure. As I said, it doesn't launch like a rocket, but read the reviews from the British press.
Some of you seem to have suffered really bad experiences with dealers. I've only dealt with one dealer out of my past four, the local Toyota conglomerate, who I did not appreciate. The owner of the Honda dealer from which I bought my Accord actually have me his personal cell number and asked me to call him if anything went seriously wrong. I have little idea of the reputation of the local Mercedes dealership, it just changed hands, but it previously was owned my a long-time, highly respected local family. They had a sterling reputation. I guess I'll soon find out about the new ownership.
 
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