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If not an Air, which EV would you buy?

Halodde said:
On behalf of everyone here, you have our sympathies for it being so much harder that you have a dream edition performance 😂😂

All in jest of course. Just jealous af
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Not sure how these dream editions work. Is it no possible to buy one for example? I saw that there are also dream edition of the gravity but not on the configuration tool
 
I looked at the Cadillac Lyric V, but the $85,000-$90,000 price tag was too much especially since the price would drop to around $45,000-$50,000 in a year in a half.
 
Lycra said:
Not sure how these dream editions work. Is it no possible to buy one for example? I saw that there are also dream edition of the gravity but not on the configuration tool
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They made a limited amount. For example, there were 520 Air Dream Editions made, total (plus 520 in KSA).
 
dl72 said:
I looked at the Cadillac Lyric V, but the $85,000-$90,000 price tag was too much especially since the price would drop to around $45,000-$50,000 in a year in a half.
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Was looking at this as well. When also considering charging speeds, range, and lack of frunk - the Air is a lot more car for the money. The Lyriq is beautiful though. Wish GM did more on the V model to make at the least charging speeds more competitive.
 
Spaceship said:
Was looking at this as well. When also considering charging speeds, range, and lack of frunk - the Air is a lot more car for the money. The Lyriq is beautiful though. Wish GM did more on the V model to make at the least charging speeds more competitive.
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I agree. That was of the decision as well.
 
dl72 said:
I agree. That was of the decision as well.
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With respect to charging speed:

> I wonder how important it really is.

First, let me clarify: I love having a fast charging speed! If I do DCFC every single day, I am sure I would enjoy fast charging.

In reality, I do most of my charging at home. In my AZ home, I have a lot of solar energy. As such, it is free. At my CA home, I have solar panels with battery backup and charge at night with the PGE off-peak charging rate (~$0.33/kWh). It is adequate for my weekly usage.

So, the only time I use DCFC is when I do my 780-mile journey from CA to AZ. In the Lucid, I can do this trip comfortably with two en route DCFC stops. In my R1S, I usually do 3 DCFC stops. And I prefer the Rivian Adventure chargers (renewable energy), which are rated at 300kW, and usually deliver 250kW for the first 10-15min. In contrast, the EA 350kW chargers often deliver no more than 220kW, and only for about 7-10min on my 2022 AGT. Thereafter, it quickly tails off to 150kW/<100kW. Have not tried the new Ionic chargers. Wonder how much difference they make on 800+kW charging architecture.

800+kW charging en route on my roadtrips is a plus, but might not save me that much time over the years.

So, since I love to have 800V charging, my personal usage model really won't benefit too much from it. Obviously, if all things are equal, I will take 800V+V, but it is not a mjaor buying decision for my usage model.
 
BS8899 said:
With respect to charging speed:

> I wonder how important it really is.

First, let me clarify: I love having a fast charging speed! If I do DCFC every single day, I am sure I would enjoy fast charging.

In reality, I do most of my charging at home. In my AZ home, I have a lot of solar energy. As such, it is free. At my CA home, I have solar panels with battery backup and charge at night with the PGE off-peak charging rate (~$0.33/kWh). It is adequate for my weekly usage.

So, the only time I use DCFC is when I do my 780-mile journey from CA to AZ. In the Lucid, I can do this trip comfortably with two en route DCFC stops. In my R1S, I usually do 3 DCFC stops. And I prefer the Rivian Adventure chargers (renewable energy), which are rated at 300kW, and usually deliver 250kW for the first 10-15min. In contrast, the EA 350kW chargers often deliver no more than 220kW, and only for about 7-10min on my 2022 AGT. Thereafter, it quickly tails off to 150kW/<100kW. Have not tried the new Ionic chargers. Wonder how much difference they make on 800+kW charging architecture.

800+kW charging en route on my roadtrips is a plus, but might not save me that much time over the years.

So, since I love to have 800V charging, my personal usage model really won't benefit too much from it. Obviously, if all things are equal, I will take 800V+V, but it is not a mjaor buying decision for my usage model.
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Apologies, TYPO: Ionna, not Ionic chargers.
 
I'd be gutted if I suddenly had to buy a new vehicle and the Air wasn't an option. I refuse to give a dime to either Tesla or BMW, no matter how good their cars are, so that eliminates those options.

I'd obviously have to go through and do more test drives, but the most likely contenders are (in NO particular order):

- Rivian - R1S or an R2 if available
- Mercedes - maybe the new EQS
- Porsche Taycan - I'd have to decide if it drove well enough to be worth the extra money and significantly reduced passenger and cargo space
- Cadillac - some of their models seem worth trying out at least

Really I'd not immediately rule out Polestar, or Audi either, or maybe I'd feel like trying out a truck and going for a Ford Lightning or a Chevy/GMC truck.

It's really a crap shoot and would depend on how further research and test drives went.

Of course my wife's Genesis GV60 is nice, though I wish it were faster so maybe the magma if it's available.
 
socktucker said:
I went with an i7 myself. I love it, truly incredible. Not really a sport sedan like the Air tho. But build quality is superb, software excellent, etc. The various modes actually change the whole feel of the car.

I honestly WANTED the Air to be that car. But mine has just has constant problems and constant service hassles. I had planned on 7 years of ownership but I can’t even make it a month without it being back in service.

I hated the BMW dealer experience but the service was great.
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The look of the i7 just doesn’t get me. Even the i5 looks bonkers IMO. Not graceful.
 
Macgreiner said:
The other limitation to that question for me is What other vehicle manufacturer option exists that does not belong to a dealership model? The new Neuer Classe vehicles from BMW and even the existing EQS vehicles from MB are both compelling. But geeze, having to work through a dealership is a tough ask for those who know what it is like to not have to go through that performative art BS.
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We went through a broker for my wife's BMW IX. Stress free process, no haggling and no dealer shenanigans. So if we ever get another EV from a legacy OEM we'll be going through a broker.

I'm not a fan of SUVs, so my options in 2 years when my lease is up would be limited. I think I'd look into the NK i5, (or NK i3 LWB if it ever makes it to the US) Audi A6 E-tron, C Class Electric, CPO Taycan. The Polestar 5 looks like it would be interesting but I doubt it will make it to the US.
 
doubletwist said:
...maybe I'd feel like trying out a truck and going for a Ford Lightning or a Chevy/GMC truck...
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Ford has discontinued the Lightning.
 
L-Dude said:
If you couldn't drive your Air, what other EV would you consider buying and why?
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I don't know to be honest. It'd be a tough sell for me after experiencing a Lucid. Maybe I'd go back to a Lexus IS if they ever have an EV variation.
 
Can't get the wife to give up her 10-year-old Mazda, which has been flawless and gets 35 mpg on regular gas. Have been eyeballing the Hundai Ionic 5. About the right size for our local needs. Wish Lucid would get around to making a small car for local use. I understand Lucid needed to build a monster truck for the US market = a market that requires room for one on paved roads. Try driving/riding in a Mazda Miata. America needs a reset.
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wish Lucid would make something like this

Been reading some amazing things about the China EVs. Looks as though we should give up and just give them the world market for evs.

My question for all the ICE SUV owners = what is your plan to "get rid of it" ? The market for ICE SUVs is doomed by the solid-state battery.
 
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I've always liked the Ioniq 5. Gravity is a bit big for my needs. I'd ideally like to get Cosmos to fulfill my SUV needs if/when it finally releases.

We don't know how big Cosmos will be, but really hoping Lucid stays on brand by making it smaller than other cars in its class. I hate driving big cars.
 
L-Dude said:
If you couldn't drive your Air, what other EV would you consider buying and why?
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I'm guessing my answer will be considerably different from others here. I love my Air GT and have 0 regrets buying it- the things I love most are the 800hp, quietness, and handling given its size. I'm not much for the luxury features- they're fine but I'm indifferent- and have no use for some of the electronic features.
All in all I think I would buy a Hyundai Ioniq 6N. Not as much power as the Air, but 400-500lbs lighter. My wife has a 24 Ioniq 6 RWD and we really like it. No where near the luxury or room inside, but good enough for me.

Really happy I don't need to make this choice! Hoping Lucid turns the business end around and I look forward to buying a Sapphire some day.

The next big innovation I am looking forward to is battery tech that would allow high HP with smaller batteries. A 800HP Air with a ~85KwH be a more desirable product for me.
 
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