Gravity vs Model X

[buddyroe9]

For me, the big difference between the Gravity and the X, besides the obvious differences like FWD and FSD, are the self presenting doors of the X. It seems novel - until you've used them for a week or two. I would say self presenting doors are a lot like power windows - not really necessary, but dang nice to have.

Being able to open the passenger doors (or close them) with the fob is extremely convenient. Same with the doors shutting once every one is in and the driver presses the brake pedal to shift gears. Oh, and when you walk away from the vehicle.

It's just extremely convenient.

 

[Xminus6]

For me, the big difference between the Gravity and the X, besides the obvious differences like FWD and FSD, are the self presenting doors of the X. It seems novel - until you've used them for a week or two. I would say self presenting doors are a lot like power windows - not really necessary, but dang nice to have.

Being able to open the passenger doors (or close them) with the fob is extremely convenient. Same with the doors shutting once every one is in and the driver presses the brake pedal to shift gears. Oh, and when you walk away from the vehicle.

It's just extremely convenient.

I LOVED the self-closing doors. Self-presenting were an inconvenience as often as a convenience for me personally. But I do a lot of stuff in my garage, so having the car constantly popping the door open was a nuisance and I didn't want to leave my fob in the house every time I needed to work in the garage.

 

[Alex]

I LOVED the self-closing doors. Self-presenting were an inconvenience as often as a convenience for me personally. But I do a lot of stuff in my garage, so having the car constantly popping the door open was a nuisance and I didn't want to leave my fob in the house every time I needed to work in the garage.

There's now a setting for the Tesla Model X where you can disable the doors from opening automatically when you're at your home GPS location. Additionally, you can now configure whether the trunk opens when you stand at the back of the car. The Model X vehicles equipped with HW4 perform these operations using vision technology, eliminating the need for ultrasonic sensors. Although it took about a year, they've managed to make this function as well or even better than before. Note that while the Model X still has a radar, it isn't currently used for Full Self-Driving (FSD).

It would have been great if the Gravity also featured self-presenting doors. They nearly implemented this feature on the Air, but issues with sensors led to its exclusion. Given the numerous cameras on their vehicles, they could potentially adopt a camera-based system for self-opening doors, similar to Tesla. But with no actuators, that would be hard now.

 

[Xminus6]

There's now a setting for the Tesla Model X where you can disable the doors from opening automatically when you're at your home GPS location. Additionally, you can now configure whether the trunk opens when you stand at the back of the car. The Model X vehicles equipped with HW4 perform these operations using vision technology, eliminating the need for ultrasonic sensors. Although it took about a year, they've managed to make this function as well or even better than before. Note that while the Model X still has a radar, it isn't currently used for Full Self-Driving (FSD).

It would have been great if the Gravity also featured self-presenting doors. They nearly implemented this feature on the Air, but issues with sensors led to its exclusion. Given the numerous cameras on their vehicles, they could potentially adopt a camera-based system for self-opening doors, similar to Tesla. But with no actuators, that would be hard now.

That’s nice. I think I actually requested the feature to disable auto-open at Home location. I also like the auto trunk open feature but none of my current cars are HW4.

 

[buddyroe9]

I LOVED the self-closing doors. Self-presenting were an inconvenience as often as a convenience for me personally. But I do a lot of stuff in my garage, so having the car constantly popping the door open was a nuisance and I didn't want to leave my fob in the house every time I needed to work in the garage.

Hmmm. Not intending to be a smarta** or anything, but that seems like a problem you're creating yourself. Why in the world would you want to keep the fob on you? Additionally, if your garage doubles as your workshop and you work in their for hours at a time, why not just disable the feature during that time?

 

[Xminus6]

Hmmm. Not intending to be a smarta** or anything, but that seems like a problem you're creating yourself. Why in the world would you want to keep the fob on you? Additionally, if your garage doubles as your workshop and you work in their for hours at a time, why not just disable the feature during that time?

Who takes their keys out of their pocket for a specific task? If I’ve used the car and then I have stuff to do in the garage, why should I have to go back into the house and leave my car key further away from my car or risk misplacing it when I need it?

Disabling the feature in the X at that time took multiple screen presses. Seems like a “smart” car should have had the option to disable the feature when at a certain location like it does now. I wasn’t the only owner who was complaining about it often on the forums at the time.

I’m glad the feature is available now but it was a hassle at the time. Obviously Tesla agreed since they implemented the feature later. They already had “Home” as a geolocation feature for other options. It’s a trivial thing to implement when all the inputs are already available in the system.

 

[buddyroe9]

You must have a detached garage about a hundred feet from your house if it's that hard to take the fob out of your pocket and put it in the house.

No biggie tho. I do get what you're saying as I often activate my S's mirrors and handles when I walk through the garage. So I get it.

 

[Xminus6]

You must have a detached garage about a hundred feet from your house if it's that hard to take the fob out of your pocket and put it in the house.

No biggie tho. I do get what you're saying as I often activate my S's mirrors and handles when I walk through the garage. So I get it.

Well, I had an S too. It’s exactly that except it would open the door into the space you’re walking in, often right as you’re passing by since you’re not slowing down with the intention of getting into the car. It doesn’t have to happen that often to be annoying. People walk past their cars in their garage all the time. Plus, it also worked with Phone-as-Key I’m pretty sure. So I’m not going to leave my key and my phone in the house all the time.

I mean, there’s no point in defending it really since Tesla obviously found it to be a problem that they fixed with future firmware updates. It’s not like I was some lone outlier who had this issue. It was a pretty common complaint from X owners. I had an X from the first six months of production, so they didn’t have all the features implemented that they do now.

 

[buddyroe9]

and my phone in the house all the time.

For sure!!

 

[xponents]

For me, the big difference between the Gravity and the X, besides the obvious differences like FWD and FSD, are the self presenting doors of the X. It seems novel - until you've used them for a week or two. I would say self presenting doors are a lot like power windows - not really necessary, but dang nice to have.

Being able to open the passenger doors (or close them) with the fob is extremely convenient. Same with the doors shutting once every one is in and the driver presses the brake pedal to shift gears. Oh, and when you walk away from the vehicle.

It's just extremely convenient.

I too appreciated this feature on the i7.

 

[buddyroe9]

You in Europe or did they finally activate it in the U.S.?

 

[billvb]

We placed our order for a new Gravity to replace my wife’s 2017 Model X. Overall, she’s been happy with the X; she won’t miss the falcon-wing doors, but she will dreadfully miss the feature of closing the driver door when you tap the brake pedal. She was looking for a contact for a member of the Lucid Gravity team to beg them to implement this feature!

 

[buddyroe9]

We placed our order for a new Gravity to replace my wife’s 2017 Model X. Overall, she’s been happy with the X; she won’t miss the falcon-wing doors, but she will dreadfully miss the feature of closing the driver door when you tap the brake pedal. She was looking for a contact for a member of the Lucid Gravity team to beg them to implement this feature!

The X has been drastically improved since the 2017 model. And at the same time, the price has been drastically reduced. I don't think most people realize just how much tech there is in a Model X for the price. You can get a fully loaded X (about the only way they come these days, except seat config and wheels) for $88k. And that is with the $6500, 6 seat config and larger wheels. If we compare the fully loaded Gravity model with an X (that would be a 7 seater X which is $85k), you'd have to spend around $120k for the gravity, and you still wouldn't have nearly the features that base AP has. Not would you have self presenting doors. I have no idea how the sound system compares.

I honestly don't see how Tesla makes a penny on the X (maybe they don't) and I sure don't know how anyone is going to compete with them in that class. Only people buying a non Tesla luxury SUV EV are those who want more range (Gravity and R1S) and those that hate Musk's politics.

And that's all before we consider the charging network aspect. It's a miracle anyone else can sell a luxury SUV EV - but then, when you think about it, Tesla will sell about as many Cybertrucks this year as Rivian sells total vehicles!! And that's the vehicle everyone said wouldn't sell at all. Crazy. But, it's the Elon effect I suppose.

 

[DeaneG]

...And that's all before we consider the charging network aspect. It's a miracle anyone else can sell a luxury SUV EV - but then, when you think about it, Tesla will sell about as many Cybertrucks this year as Rivian sells total vehicles!! And that's the vehicle everyone said wouldn't sell at all. Crazy. But, it's the Elon effect I suppose.

Gravity should have access to the same network next year.
Unless you've driven a Lucid for an extended period of time, you don't realize how much nicer it is than Tesla's products. Specs don't tell the story.

 

[momo3605]

Gravity should have access to the same network next year.
Unless you've driven a Lucid for an extended period of time, you don't realize how much nicer it is than Tesla's products. Specs don't tell the story.

I know this is the Gravity forum, but it really comes down to software for me. As a daily driver, and family car I can’t be sitting around with everyone in the car having to debug frozen software when I’m trying to be places. I’m really hoping the Gravity has solved the lingering issues of the Air, but there’s just soo many that I’m going to have sit out out the launch and wait for some long term reviews.

 

[buddyroe9]

Gravity should have access to the same network next year.
Unless you've driven a Lucid for an extended period of time, you don't realize how much nicer it is than Tesla's products. Specs don't tell the story.

So how many people out there have driven an air long term to know that difference? Lucid simply can't rely on those customers. Without 10 new customers for every customer they've had, the company will be broke in 18 months. Simply put, it takes more than something being a great product to sell it. Look up a company called milestone scientific. They make a computerized epidural system that is pain free and has a 100% hit percentage. In clinical testing, the testers at the university of Texas said it was inhumane to continue the old method of manual epidurals. But, the company is nearly bankrupt as no one will buy the system because they don't have to. Milestone scientific doesn't have the funds to advertise so the patient has no idea there's a better product they should demand.

Point is, something other than experience behind the wheel of a Lucid is going to have to sell the Gravity. Only specs and incentives can do that. If you can even get that info in front of people.

 

[Batteryman]

So how many people out there have driven an air long term to know that difference? Lucid simply can't rely on those customers. Without 10 new customers for every customer they've had, the company will be broke in 18 months. Simply put, it takes more than something being a great product to sell it. Look up a company called milestone scientific. They make a computerized epidural system that is pain free and has a 100% hit percentage. In clinical testing, the testers at the university of Texas said it was inhumane to continue the old method of manual epidurals. But, the company is nearly bankrupt as no one will buy the system because they don't have to. Milestone scientific doesn't have the funds to advertise so the patient has no idea there's a better product they should demand.

Point is, something other than experience behind the wheel of a Lucid is going to have to sell the Gravity. Only specs and incentives can do that. If you can even get that info in front of people.

You can’t compare a medical device to a car….everyone needs a car, not everyone needs a epidural. And it’s easy for public to understand how Lucid is better. Explaining why a medical device is better is more difficult.

US loves SUV’s and Lucid just produced the best!

 

[Batteryman]

The X has been drastically improved since the 2017 model. And at the same time, the price has been drastically reduced. I don't think most people realize just how much tech there is in a Model X for the price. You can get a fully loaded X (about the only way they come these days, except seat config and wheels) for $88k. And that is with the $6500, 6 seat config and larger wheels. If we compare the fully loaded Gravity model with an X (that would be a 7 seater X which is $85k), you'd have to spend around $120k for the gravity, and you still wouldn't have nearly the features that base AP has. Not would you have self presenting doors. I have no idea how the sound system compares.

I honestly don't see how Tesla makes a penny on the X (maybe they don't) and I sure don't know how anyone is going to compete with them in that class. Only people buying a non Tesla luxury SUV EV are those who want more range (Gravity and R1S) and those that hate Musk's politics.

And that's all before we consider the charging network aspect. It's a miracle anyone else can sell a luxury SUV EV - but then, when you think about it, Tesla will sell about as many Cybertrucks this year as Rivian sells total vehicles!! And that's the vehicle everyone said wouldn't sell at all. Crazy. But, it's the Elon effect I suppose.

Tesla vs Lucid ? Only people who would buy a Model X or S is a Tesla fanboy or if you want to get FSD, which is pointless at this stage. Tesla has given up on the luxury EV market. Look at the quality and cost cutting of a Tesla …no stalks, no passenger lumbar support, no radar, no LiDAR….get the picture?

 

[momo3605]

And it’s easy for public to understand how Lucid is better.

I dunno man, I know so many people with Teslas and Rivians. When I mention lucid, they all just tune out. No interest. They need to advertise a lot more and not just internet ads. Like I don’t know…Set up a deal with Costco, put the Gravity outside! Let everyone see it! Amazon started direct to consumer car sales with Hyundai. Put the Lucid up there. And so it early when there’s still hype and interest around it. Or put the lease deals on streaming services like Netflix, paramount, Amazon Prime... Or any number of things! The only ads I see are banners on ad filled internet sites.

 

[Leftlane]

You shouldn’t assume that the general public would choose Lucid when 99% of the public has no idea they even exist, and the prices exclude a huge majority of buyers. Tesla does no advertising but everyone knows about Tesla - and they sell millions of cars a year to people who aren’t fanboys or care about FSD. Lucid can be objectively better but if no one knows who they are except diehard Air owners then momo will be right. Tesla literally has the best selling vehicle of any kind in the world. I feel pretty attuned to EVs and I see absolutely zero about Lucid outside of this forum.